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Well ksa brouchure is faking it up, ther will be Turkish avionics in that transport lifter.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/21...e_Equipped_with_Aselsan_Avionics#.XDTeZFxKjyQ




Imported and then put it on, like that? I am afraid you are playing to much game. Why is KSA not asking for TOT like the THAAD missile, ask if they share you with Seeker of the missile:-). Are you comparing flir with a simple wing?

South africa is not making everything by himself, South africa is not a country that ever will be face a ambargo like the middle east countries. They are making some stuf butt that is everything, like the rest of the world they need help of the west for technology. They don't need to invest a lot off like us Turkey. We have more technology and projects then south africa. Is that your get o way, when you face ambargo going to everyone who sell you the weapon? KSA is lazy country if they still think like this, things will never change.

Pathetic nothing more....
Are you uniformed of history? The South Africans had a arms embargo from pretty much every western country because of the Apartheid. They had to make their own arms which led to Rooivalk, MRAP, Helicopters. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_418
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_591
 
Are you uniformed of history? The South Africans had a arms embargo from pretty much every western country because of the Apartheid. They had to make their own arms which led to Rooivalk, MRAP, Helicopters. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_418
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_591

forty years later what did they achieve with the help of israel? Not much, and besides that with who are they going to fight? Do they need that much weapon companies? Like i wrote before, they don't need to be worry for ambargo. The ambargo was inevitably with that racisme, and come back to middle east. They sell you weapons, but down graded, you can't use it against some terrorists. The ambargo against sout africa and the middle east are not to be compared. And with the weapon what they did make, are you going to win a war:-)?


KSA will 10 years later still be milked by west, you don't want to work, asking for ToT and making wings. Making parts for missiles, and some parts for fighters maybe missiles? IF you think that is enough to establish weapon industry keep dreaming away. If you are not able to make data link to update your missile seeker like in a SAM system. And more advanced weapons and sensor, you will be still buying weapons from everyone. But hey if you Arabs are thinking this is the best way. Then so be it....
 
forty years later what did they achieve with the help of israel? Not much, and besides that with who are they going to fight? Do they need that much weapon companies? Like i wrote before, they don't need to be worry for ambargo. The ambargo was inevitably with that racisme, and come back to middle east. They sell you weapons, but down graded, you can't use it against some terrorists. The ambargo against sout africa and the middle east are not to be compared. And with the weapon what they did make, are you going to win a war:-)?


KSA will 10 years later still be milked by west, you don't want to work, asking for ToT and making wings. Making parts for missiles, and some parts for fighters maybe missiles? IF you think that is enough to establish weapon industry keep dreaming away. If you are not able to make data link to update your missile seeker like in a SAM system. And more advanced weapons and sensor, you will be still buying weapons from everyone. But hey if you Arabs are thinking this is the best way. Then so be it....
Technology can be made under license and the helicopter Rooivalk could have been used in a war if production was more than a measly 12 South Africa did need it then because of COIN in neighboring country but eventually the Apartheid ended and South Africa's defense industry became garbage. Saudi Arabia and South Africa apparently cooperated with a new version of the Rooivalk from Tactical Report. www.tacticalreport.com/view_news/Saudi-SAMI-plans-to-localize-the-industry-of-Rooivalk-combat-helicopter/5825 which if is real would give Saudi Arabia a good industry in terms of attack helicopters not dependent on the U.S. but dependent on themselves and the South Africans. If Saudi Arabia could just make their own APC like the Enigma APC made by the UAE they could satisfy their own orders in terms of requirement by various armed forces. For example right here http://www.tacticalreport.com/view_news/Saudi-SANG-plans-to-buy-assault-vehicles/6012 1000 vehicles could be made locally if they just took the time and money to develop a vehicle that could perform like an LAV-3 they would have a good start but it might be harder because

The UAE developed this indigenously no matter the origins of the engineers it was developed indigenously.
I don't think Light Armored Vehicles are that complex especially today when technologies are easily integrated as long as most other systems besides the subsystems are developed indigenously.
Besides they are making progress right here with selling patrol boats to Iraq.
http://www.tacticalreport.com/view_news/Saudi-SAMI-Iraq-Navy-and-deal-for-patrol-boats/5996
 
In 2004, it ZamilShipyard invented a new type of ship, modified for the first time in the world. in the Dammam Arsenal, the Ahts ships, which for the first time operated Desiel Electric Technology and were fully manufactured by our Arsenal in Dammam by its engineers and manpower.

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More than ten types of ships are built by Zamil arsenals to build and repair ships, @ZamilShipyard most notably the military field and then the field of oil services and port management to the area of diving vessels and other types of ships.

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Water desalination and cooling with absorption technology is a Saudi national innovation and the first industrial application model in the world.

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AEC In order to contribute to the increase in domestic output we are working to increase the ratio of domestic manufacturing of defense equipment to 50% of the total equipment used in the military electronics sector to meet the goals of the Saudi Vision 2030

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46 Memoranda of Understanding between Saudi Arabia and the USA in 13 sectors worth $400 billion

As part of its quest to achieve Vision 2030, the Saudi government has set up an economic program to partner with the world's most important economic powers and has identified 10 key sectors for investment with the United States, including defense, aviation, energy, petrochemicals, technology, manufacturing, oil and gas, Mining, investment, and health.

The identification of these sectors, based on the economic priorities of the government sector and the private sector, and their alignment in a follow-up and measurement economic program has been agreed with the US Administration to ensure the speed of delivery and provide the necessary means to achieve it.

The number of jobs generated by the joint investments in the ten sectors Between Saudi Arabia and the US is around 750 thousand jobs in both countries, and investments exceeding 400 billion US dollars between the two sides.


- In order to build local military manufacturing capabilities, five memoranda worth $ 18.5 billion have been signed between Saudi Military Industries Company (SAMI) and Aviation Technology Company with a number of major US companies (Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics) With the aim to develop aircrafts, warships and vehicles systems, and assembling and manufacturing Black Hawk helicopters with a domestic content of not less than 50 per cent.

- In terms of investments in the technology sector, the value of memorandums of cooperation signed between the Kingdom and the US reached $ 5 billion, including two memorandums of understanding signed between the government and Microsoft and Cisco to contribute to the Kingdom's digital transformation plan through knowledge transfer and acquisition of related advanced systems, While four memorandums were signed between a number of Saudi companies.

- In the field of petrochemicals, the signed memoranda is worth $ 72 billion, with the aim of studying the establishment of a silicon industry between the Royal Commission of Jubail and Yanba' with DOW, which will invest directly in the manufacture of polycrystalline acetate in the Kingdom. SABIC and EXXON have also agreed to establish a joint ethylene production plant using shale oil in the United States, furthering SABIC's strategy and expansion.

- The total value of investments in the oil and gas sector reached $ 54 billion. Eight memorandums of understanding were signed between "Aramco" and a number of American companies such as Halliburton and Schlumberger, among others, as part of the program to increase local content in the company's business, and to localise the Saudi power supply chain over the next five years.

- Aramco has signed two memorandums of understanding with Emerson Jacobs to enhance the company's project management capabilities and to benefit from the Fourth Industrial Revolution's applications in improving its business efficiency and production. Aramco has also signed four memorandums of understanding with a number of US companies in the field of manufacturing petroleum platforms, enhancing ground drilling , strengthening of the logistics and design of marine platforms.

- The investment sector contains only two memoranda of understanding, but with a value of up to $ 160 billion. A technology fund was established between the Public Investment Fund and Softbank. The Public Investment Fund's contribution amounts to $ 45 billion dollars out of the $ 100 billion target (it is already at $93 billion after one year of its establishment..). The Fund has achieved a profit of US $ 3 billion within five months. The Kingdom will have 45% of these profits and the same percentage of each future return. The second memorandum of understanding was the establishment of an investment fund in the US infrastructure by the Saudi Public Investment Fund and other major international investment funds.. As well as the joint investment of up to $ 60 billion which contributes to the Fund's strategy of diversifying investments and achieving returns.
The Saudi share will not be announced in this fund, but it is expected to be not less than a quarter or half. At least $ 45 billion dollars are added to this fund. Thus, Saudi Arabia will spend $ 60 or $ 75 billion in the field of investments as a minimum. Thus, defense, investment and petrochemical sectors constitute $ 260 or $ 275 billion of the total deal.


- The defense, investment, petrochemical, oil and gas sectors will account for $ 314 or $ 329 billion of the total value of the deal and the remaining amounts (from $ 71 to $ 86 billion) will be distributed on the mining, technology, health, energy and aviation sectors.

These investments are well thought over..There will be several returns, where the technology will be localised along with the transfer of scientific and applied knowledge to Saudi Arabia..this benefit represents the most important and priceless return..There is also a long-term return on investments, as investments are a very profitable option and the capital will return after some years with annual and monthly profits..which will bring billions of dollars to the state treasury and insures some authority and a foothold in many international companies and successful projects.. with the other benefit of obtaining military and civilian technologies.. These benefits alone exceed the money paid ..and there are also the thousands of jobs that will be created from these investments and projects.

*This is what has been achieved so far during this period of MBS visit to the US.. there is still another week to the visit..


These agreements will be accompanied by an American commitment to invest in the Kingdom, both in terms of material and technical investments, for example the deal of $ 110 billion will see a quarter or half of it within the Kingdom where US companies will be obliged to invest in Saudi companies or Saudi infrastructure or Saudi projects, this is part of a wide spectrum to achieve the Saudi 2030 Vision, and now KSA has drawn broad points and details with the United States and Britain.. it is expected that the Saudi Prince MBS visit to France soon will be in the same line..we may also see similar steps with Italy, China, Japan and South Korea.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/46-m...in-13-sectors-worth-400-billion.550596/page-2
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/46-m...in-13-sectors-worth-400-billion.550596/page-2
 
@The SC if Saudi Arabia needs utility helicopters why have they not upgraded their Bell 212 to UH-1Y since the Bell 212 comes for the Uh-1N. Apparently they can be changed into UH-1Y which has better seating capabilities than the Uh-60 by about 5 seats. If all 24 from the air force we're converted they would save money but a replacment would be needed mostly likely. In 1996, the United States Marine Corps launched the H-1 upgrade program by signing a contract with Bell Helicopter for upgrading 100 UH-1Ns into UH-1Ys which in theory the Saudis could do the same without the hassle of purchasing Blackhawk with I assume more cost. Either that or Bahrain do that to their Bell 212 which should help with logistics with an 84% commonality with the AH-1Z which Bahrain already bought.
 
@The SC if Saudi Arabia needs utility helicopters why have they not upgraded their Bell 212 to UH-1Y since the Bell 212 comes for the Uh-1N. Apparently they can be changed into UH-1Y which has better seating capabilities than the Uh-60 by about 5 seats. If all 24 from the air force we're converted they would save money but a replacment would be needed mostly likely. In 1996, the United States Marine Corps launched the H-1 upgrade program by signing a contract with Bell Helicopter for upgrading 100 UH-1Ns into UH-1Ys which in theory the Saudis could do the same without the hassle of purchasing Blackhawk with I assume more cost. Either that or Bahrain do that to their Bell 212 which should help with logistics with an 84% commonality with the AH-1Z which Bahrain already bought.
KSA will be making (assembly plus locally made parts) the Blackhawk locally with TOT.. 150 of them.. it already approved.. the plant is under construction and getting ready..

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1102226/saudi-arabia
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1102226/saudi-arabia
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KSA will be making (assembly plus locally made parts) the Blackhawk locally with TOT.. 150 of them.. it already approved.. the plant is under construction and getting ready..

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1102226/saudi-arabia
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I guess your right but what will happen to the air forces 40 Bell 212 and Bell 412 which can both be converted into UH-1Y which has similar capabilities to the UH-60 Blackhawk. And in the future if Saudi Arabia purchases the AH-1Z which is unlikely but would do the Navy or the Saudi marines very good as I said before the UH-1Y part commonality rate with the AH-1Z is 84% which means simplified logistics which would be good for the UH-1Y for the Navy or Marines and also the AH-1Z for the Marines/Navy.
 
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I guess your right but what will happen to the air forces 40 Bell 212 and Bell 412 which can both be converted into UH-1Y which has similar capabilities to the UH-60 Blackhawk. And in the future if Saudi Arabia purchases the AH-1Z which is unlikely but would do the Navy or the Saudi marines very good as I said before the UH-1Y part commonality rate with the AH-1Z is 84% which means simplified logistics which would be good for the UH-1Y for the Navy or Marines and also the AH-1Z for the Marines/Navy.
Nothing will happen to them, they are still being used and will be in the future.. no need to upgrade them to anything else since KSA has a very good number of Apaches..
https://militarysimulation.training...audi-air-force-bell-412-helicopter-simulator/
https://militarysimulation.training...audi-air-force-bell-412-helicopter-simulator/
 
Nothing will happen to them, they are still being used and will be in the future.. no need to upgrade them to anything else since KSA has a very good number of Apaches..
https://militarysimulation.training...audi-air-force-bell-412-helicopter-simulator/
I guess your right but I was envisioning attack helicopters for the Saudi Marines which I thought would do good because the Apache is bigger, slower, has a shorter range, and is more heavily armed and more heavily armored. It's a helicopter that reflects the US Army's general objectives to seize and hold specific territories, be able to take a beating, and be able to inflict massive damage on huge numbers of enemy forces. It's not designed to penetrate deep into enemy territory, destroy a target behind enemy lines, and quickly return. Now look at the Viper, it's much faster, lightly armored, able to travel much further (making it more effective when deployed from an aircraft carrier), and it still packs a powerful punch. It's able to penetrate further, strike a critical blow, and then get out of enemy territory. It is not designed to go somewhere nearby to hold and defend territory while under continuous/repeated assault by enemy forces the roles differ a whole lot which is why the US marines use the AH-1Z while the army uses the AH-64 but my honest opinion is that Saudi Arabia should use the AH-1Z attack helicopters split between Jeddah and Jubail. Bell 212 is getting really old though you have to understand the UH-1Y is basically a complete overall which transforms the helicopter into a utility helicopter comparable to the UH-60 so even if they aren't being retired anytime soon upgrades will be needed as the United States Marines Corps needed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_UH-1Y_Venom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_AH-1Z_Viper
 
Sikorska SH-60 Seahawk

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Eurocopter AS332 Super Puma


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Eurocopter AS365 Dauphin


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And pretty soon


Boeing P-8 Poseidon​
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KSA do not have ACs or HCs.. for now..
 
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Is Saudi Arabia focusing on SAM developments? Such as indigenous MANPADS which I do think Saudi Arabia could definitely do and licensed medium-long range SAM from maybe LIG Nex1. I do think they should at least start their base in case of a conflict with Israel because the US isn't going to be giving them weapons because of Israel complaining.
 
Is Saudi Arabia focusing on SAM developments? Such as indigenous MANPADS which I do think Saudi Arabia could definitely do and licensed medium-long range SAM from maybe LIG Nex1. I do think they should at least start their base in case of a conflict with Israel because the US isn't going to be giving them weapons because of Israel complaining.
Yes.. you'll hear news soon..
 

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