Made in KSA

[Philip the Arab]

And most likely bigger engines!!!

Agreed but are you thinking indigenous production of aircraft? They would have to start out with something small like a trainer or light fighter like this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle

Joint space activity with Russia:
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- The manufacture, development and use of spacecraft and other special equipment, such as the creation of appropriate ground infrastructure for space activities.

- Joint development of spacecraft and space systems.

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https://www.uqn.gov.sa/articles/1538083048769543900/


TKF-500 TurboFAN

Speaking of the AN-132 you think a ground attack variant will be made? Think of the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130 But will less weapons.

 

[The SC]

Agreed but are you thinking indigenous production of aircraft? They would have to start out with something small like a trainer or light fighter like this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle


Speaking of the AN-132 you think a ground attack variant will be made? Think of the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130 But will less weapons.

KSA is currently assembling/manufacturing the Hawk Advanced Jet trainer, making big parts of the F-15 and assembling and upgrading it locally.. The Hawk assembly line will be used to assemble some Eurofighter Typhoons locally..

The BAE deal with Saudi Arabia includes the manufacture of 22 Hawk trainer jets locally in KSA
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There is one Gunship in the making.. based on the AN-132 platform too..

 

[Philip the Arab]

KSA is currently assembling/manufacturing the Hawk Advanced Jet trainer, making big parts of the F-15 and assembling and upgrading it locally.. The Hawk assembly line will be used to assemble some Eurofighter Typhoons locally..

The BAE deal with Saudi Arabia includes the manufacture of 22 Hawk trainer jets locally in KSA
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There is one Gunship in the making.. based on the AN-132 platform too..

I don't mean manufacturing foreign planes. I'm saying are they going to build a indigenous jet? They could start out by developing a light fighter/jet trainer by using their already developed turbofans which have an output of 1200 pounds of thrust each could be used with 2 jets powering one aircraft. Its 100 pounds of thrust less than this aircraft https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIAI-Marchetti_S.211 and the jet mentioned used turbofans as well. I do think it would be useful, imagine them selling it abroad or even just procuring like 50-100 for future use instead of buying from the brits.

 

[The SC]

I don't mean manufacturing foreign planes. I'm saying are they going to build a indigenous jet? They could start out by developing a light fighter/jet trainer such as the south korean https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle and then move onto 5th generation fighters while cooperating with Russia or China or a superpower.

You first start to get the technologies and the know how.. assembly and deep maintenance are a good first step, followed by manufacturing spare and other parts.. all of it in order to build capacities to make your own jet..and this is what is going on now.. I've heard that the F-15 might be manufactured in KSA in the future..But an indigenous jet! I have not heard about it before..apart from participation in the development of the British 5th generation fighter plane..

Tempest 5th generation fighter (UK)

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...hter-project-already-faces-serious-challenges

 

[Philip the Arab]

I don't mean manufacturing foreign planes. I'm saying are they going to build a indigenous jet? They could start out by developing a light fighter/jet trainer such as the south korean https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle and then move onto 5th generation fighters while cooperating with Russia or China or a superpower.

You first start to get the technologies and the know how.. assembly and deep maintenance are a good first step, followed by manufacturing spare and other parts.. all of it in order to build capacities to make your own jet..and this is what is going on now.. I've heard that the F-15 might be manufactured in KSA in the future..But an indigenous jet! I have not heard about it before..apart from participation in the development of the British 5th generation fighter plane..

Tempest 5th generation fighter (UK)

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...hter-project-already-faces-serious-challenges

I get it I guess they are not planning it. I do see something that could be done realistically by making a turbo fan powered UAV like this one made by the US https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Avenger the engines are pretty good but I think two would be needed but it could be done. I don't see any other uses except those two. You could tell me if you agree with me or not.

 

[The SC]

I get it I guess they are not planning it. I do see something that could be done realistically by making a turbo fan powered UAV like this one made by the US https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_Avenger the engines are pretty good but I think two would be needed but it could be done. I don't see any other uses except those two. You could tell me if you agree with me or not.

That American UAV has a Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney Canada PW545B turbofan, 3,991 lbf (17.75 kN) thrust, we are still a bit far from that,, but there is hope with the Chinese CH-X (from 1 to X) that KSA got a transfer of technology for the whole series.. including the CH-7 stealth combat drone:

Saudi Arabia Buying and Building Chinese Armed Drones

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...abia-buying-and-building-chinese-armed-drones

 

[Philip the Arab]

That American UAV has a Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney Canada PW545B turbofan, 3,991] lbf (17.75 kN) thrust, we are still a bit far from that,, but there is hope with the Chinese CH-X (from 1 to X) that KSA got a transfer of technology for the whole series.. including the CH-7 stealth combat drone:

Saudi Arabia Buying and Building Chinese Armed Drones

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...abia-buying-and-building-chinese-armed-droneshttps://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...abia-buying-and-building-chinese-armed-drones

This is unrelated but I was meaning to ask you why has saudi Arabia not started producing indigenous small arms? I get the manufacture guns under license but still the UAE does it with caracal and has many different types of guns. It would help with the saudi vision 2030 goal at least. Start out with a pistol, go onto a rifle, you know the move up on different guns and more experience will be gained.

 

[The SC]

This is unrelated but I was meaning to ask you why has saudi Arabia not started producing indigenous small arms? I get the manufacture guns under license but still the UAE does it with caracal and has many different types of guns. It would help with the saudi vision 2030 goal at least. Start out with a pistol, go onto a rifle, you know the move up on different guns and more experience will be gained.

Full transfer of technology of the AK-103

Maybe the PL-15 Kalashnikov too

 

[The SC]

Full ToT Grom-2 system and its engines

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An unnamed Ukrainian defence industrial source says that the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau develops terrain hugging missile at their own initiative. It can be launched from mobile land or optional underwater platforms.
The missile will use solid fuel rocket boosters before the jet engine comes up to power after a launch. The new ground launched cruise missile will have up to 500-700 km range and would be potentially able to penetrate enemy air defence systems undetected.

http://survincity.com/2013/10/motor-sich-engines-for-unmanned-aerial-vehicles/

 

[Philip the Arab]

Full ToT

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An unnamed Ukrainian defence industrial source says that the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau develops terrain hugging missile at their own initiative. It can be launched from mobile land or optional underwater platforms.
The missile will use solid fuel rocket boosters before the jet engine comes up to power after a launch. The new ground launched cruise missile will have up to 500-700 km range and would be potentially able to penetrate enemy air defence systems undetected.

I did see a need for tactical and cruise missiles especially since many European countries have stopped selling things to the Saudis that could be hard to get in the future. I think I have seen that cruise missile before as wasn't it being developed at the same time as the Hrim-2? Also do you think Saudi Arabia will eventually move onto longer range missiles like IRBM,MRBM,ICBM or do they just want to be able to strike Iran? I don't remember the exact range for the ballistic missile but what I found was 250-310 miles if that's correct which I do have to say is rather lacking in father ranges but a good start. It is a good missile and I assume the CEP is much better than anything Iran has if I'm correct? I post too much but its all in good faith.

 

[The SC]

I did see a need for tactical and cruise missiles especially since many European countries have stopped selling things to the Saudis that could be hard to get in the future. I think I have seen that cruise missile before as wasn't it being developed at the same time as the Hrim-2? Also do you think Saudi Arabia will eventually move onto longer range missiles like IRBM,MRBM,ICBM or do they just want to be able to strike Iran? I don't remember the exact range for the ballistic missile but what I found was 250-310 miles if that's correct which I do have to say is rather lacking in father ranges but a good start. It is a good missile and I assume the CEP is much better than anything Iran has if I'm correct? I post too much but its all in good faith.

The sky's the limit..
Iran has a very powerful missile arsenal that poses a threat in case of war, so at least matching it will provide a good deterrent.. remember that preventing a war through deterrence is the main aim of Saudi Arabia..
Usrael has even ICBMs.. so why not Saudi Arabia who has to defend the most sacred Muslim sites "Al Haramein".. so at least a deterrent should be there too.. Some might say that ICBMs are only effective with nukes, yes it is true, so let's be it with nukes.. nothing is dearer to Muslims than Al Haramein, not even their souls..since Hajj is one of the corners (columns) of Islam itself..
I am not saying we should make ICBMs and nuclear bombs, but we should have the technology and know how to make them very quickly if need arises.. just like Japan..for example..

 

[Philip the Arab]

The sky the limit..
Iran has a very powerful missile arsenal that poses a threat in case of war, so at least matching it will provide a good deterrent.. remember that preventing a war through deterrence is the main aim of Saudi Arabia..
Usrael has even ICBMs.. so why not Saudi Arabia who has to defend the most sacred Muslim sites "Al Haramein".. so at least a deterrent should be there too.. Some might say that ICBMs are only effective with nukes, yes it is true, so let's be it with nukes.. nothing is dearer to Muslims than Al Haramein, not even their souls..since Hajj is one of the corners (columns) of Islam itself..
I am not saying we should make ICBMs and nuclear bombs, but we should have the technology and know how to make them very quickly if need arises.. just like Japan..for example..

Agreed 100% but Saudi Arabia has a much better missile defense which is not comparable with Iran in terms of ability to shoot down ballistic missiles but I do think they should form better ties with as you call it "Usrael" in terms of shared fear of Iran and in the case of either nations attack Iran should be attacked. I do think Saudi Arabia should develop ICBMs openly or not openly but it should be done and I think it can be done domestically once they get more experience from the Grom-2. Nukes can be used on anything including the Grom-2 ballistic missile, they could do two things, get Pakistan's plans for nukes, or make a gun-type nuclear missile and develop thermonuclear later. If Iran dare attack Saudi Arabia send a nuke to Tehran, they would surrender quickly.

 

[The SC]

Agreed 100% but Saudi Arabia has a much better missile defense which is not comparable with Iran in terms of ability to shoot down ballistic missiles but I do think they should form better ties with as you call it "Usrael" in terms of shared fear of Iran and in the case of either nations attack Iran should be attacked. I do think Saudi Arabia should develop ICBMs openly or not openly but it should be done and I think it can be done domestically once they get more experience from the Grom-2. Nukes can be used on anything including the Grom-2 ballistic missile, they could do two things, get Pakistan's plans for nukes, or make a gun-type nuclear missile and develop thermonuclear later. If Iran dare attack Saudi Arabia send a nuke to Tehran, they would surrender quickly.

Better air defence is not a guarantor Against missile storms, they can come in hundreds in time of war and will overwhelm your defences, so for that you need an equivalent deterrent both in quality and numbers..

As for Usrael, there won't be any better ties as long as there is no Palestinian state beside Usrael.. KSA and Usrael might have a common foe.. but both work with the US each on its side defending their own interest but not together.. since they do not share interests..

As far as ICBMs, nukes...etc are concerned, Egypt most probably have gotten the technologies and blueprints of everything that North Korea has tested successfully.. including ICBMs and miniaturised nuclear warheads for hydrogen bombs..And most likely the full nuclear cycle technology..
Just remember that it is Egypt who has provided the first BM (Scud missiles) to Nk and above that helped with financing, developing, providing new technologies and testing.. the other fact is that Egypt (under US pressure for decades) cut its diplomatic ties with NK only after everything was tested and proved to be viable.. So no worries there..

 

[Philip the Arab]

Better air defence is not a guarantor Against missile storms, they can come in hundreds in time of war and will overwhelm your defences, so for that you need an equivalent deterrent both in quality and numbers..

As for Usrael, there won't be any better ties as long as there is no Palestinian state beside Usrael.. KSA and Usrael might have a common foe.. but both work with the US each on its side defending their own interest but not together.. since they do not share interests..

As far as ICBMs, nukes...etc are concerned, Egypt most probably have gotten the technologies and blueprints of everything that North Korea has tested successfully.. including ICBMs and miniaturised nuclear warheads for hydrogen bombs..And most likely the full nuclear cycle technology..
Just remember that it is Egypt who has provided the first BM (Scud missiles) to Nk and above that helped with financing, developing, providing new technologies and testing.. the other fact is that Egypt (under US pressure for decades) cut its diplomatic ties with NK only after everything was tested and proved to be viable.. So no worries there..

I don't think Iran has enough TELs to fire them all at the same time anyway in more of a short bursts but I know they do have Silos. Eliminating the missiles and the TELs would be the best possible idea to prevent more launches in the case of war. I was reading up about how KSA developed smaller turbojets and couldn't think of a use in cruise missiles until I saw this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Cost_Autonomous_Attack_System Could you read up on this and tell me if you think its a good idea because I honestly think it would be a good thing to develop which I think would be easier than other types of cruise missiles in terms of size.

 

[The SC]

I don't think Iran has enough TELs to fire them all at the same time anyway in more of a short bursts but I know they do have Silos. Eliminating the missiles and the TELs would be the best possible idea to prevent more launches in the case of war. I was reading up about how KSA developed smaller turbojets and couldn't think of a use in cruise missiles until I saw this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Cost_Autonomous_Attack_System Could you read up on this and tell me if you think its a good idea because I honestly think it would be a good thing to develop which I think would be easier than other types of cruise missiles in terms of size.

The UAE has made one already..