"Made in China" vs "Make in India": a Glimpse from Their Auto Industries

[Kai Liu]

Chinese cars have improved a lot during the past decade; they are now almost up to European safety standard.

Chinese-made Sedan named world's safest car (Euro-NCAP 5 star 2013)

Haval H2 and LDV T60: ANCAP 5 star:

But look at these "make in india" death traps...

And take a look at these ignorant and arrogant articles:
http://www.ideasforindia.in/article.aspx?article_id=1673
http://www.autocarpro.in/analysis-reports/india-surpasses-china-passenger-car-exports-20224
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-better-than-chinese/articleshow/59884828.cms

I am puzzled by how and where indians gain so much confidence in making claims like: india make better quality goods than China, or india make high-tech stuff, while China only make stuff using cheap labour ... blabla.. Just because they literally make nothing as compared to China, so they can make better and higher-tech things? Weird logic.. Can any body help explaining such strange mentality of indians?

Here are some facts about auto industry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_motor_vehicle_production#cite_note-ind-22
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...l-2017-indian-car-sales-figures-analysis.html
http://carsalesbase.com/china-car-sales-analysis-2016/

China's production is nearly 30 million with more than 40% (this is about 12 million) by domestic brands (such as Great Wall Haval, Geely, and BYD, etc. and these main stream domestic brands all make their self-developed engines and gear boxes), while indian production is barely 4.5 million, and 80% of which are dominated by Suzuki and Hyundai little midget cars, while domestic brands like Tata and Mahindra only have a combined 10% or so market share, and this also applies to their exports, which they claim to have surpassed China. Lol.. as more than 90% of auto exports are from our domestic brands. And since we can't even meet our domestic demands, why should us export??

This is just the tip of the iceberg, for other industries, the gaps are even bigger. "Make in india" is not about "Make" at all, but about "talk"... It really really sucks!

PS:
Some more facts about india's car industry:
On the domestic brand part: annual sales of around 300,000 (about 1/3 of Haval's annual sales of 938,000 unit alone) and exports of around 10,000 Mahindra and Tata cars, pretty much sums up india's domestic home grown car industry, other brands's sales are just negligible..
On the foreign brand part: mostly dominated by Suzuki and Hyundai midget cars..
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...rt-card-annual-indian-car-sales-analysis.html
https://auto.economictimes.indiatim...nd-suvs-exporters-from-india-in-2016/56584637

 

[MultaniGuy]

lol, Make in India is a joke.

India is no match for China.

Indian manufactured goods are mostly trash.

 

[Thetigerforces]

Nice try,

Pakistan is totally irrelevant here. Point is Indian manufactured goods are trash compared to Chinese goods.

That Pakistanis always look towards alternative to India.

I never buy Indian products.

I'm just pointing out the irony....

 

[Han Patriot]

Chinese cars have improved a lot during the past decade; they are now almost up to European safety standard.

Chinese-made Sedan named world's safest car (Euro-NCAP 5 star 2013)

Haval H2 and LDV T60: ANCAP 5 star:

But look at these "make in india" death traps...

And take a look at these ignorant and arrogant articles:
http://www.ideasforindia.in/article.aspx?article_id=1673
http://www.autocarpro.in/analysis-reports/india-surpasses-china-passenger-car-exports-20224
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-better-than-chinese/articleshow/59884828.cms

I am puzzled by how and where indians gain so much confidence in making claims like: india make better quality goods than China, or india make high-tech stuff, while China only make stuff using cheap labour ... blabla.. Just because they literally make nothing as compared to China, so they can make better and higher-tech things? Weird logic.. Can any body help explaining such strange mentality of indians?

Here are some facts about auto industry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_motor_vehicle_production#cite_note-ind-22
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...l-2017-indian-car-sales-figures-analysis.html
http://carsalesbase.com/china-car-sales-analysis-2016/

China's production is nearly 30 million with more than 40% (this is about 12 million) by domestic brands (such as Great Wall Haval, Geely, and BYD, etc. and these main stream domestic brands all make their self-developed engines and gear boxes), while indian production is barely 4.5 million, and 80% of which are dominated by Suzuki and Hyundai little midget cars, while domestic brands like Tata and Mahindra only have a combined 10% or so market share, and this also applies to their exports, which they claim to have surpassed China. Lol.. as more than 90% of auto exports are from our domestic brands. And since we can't even meet our domestic demands, why should us export??

This is just the tip of the iceberg, for other industries, the gaps are even bigger. "Make in india" is not about "Make" at all, but about "talk"... It really really sucks!

It's the same frog in the well syndrome, until a few years ago, they didn't even know they are more polluted than China, actually they are the most polluted country on earth.

I know about Indian quality first hand...they make crap and then claim it's WORLD CLASS. Then they will argue with you if you claim otherwise.

 

[Maxpane]

 

[TaiShang]

Indiand product quality is bad.

But Indian bragging quality is second to none.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

In China, 2,60,000 people die every year in road accidents.
www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-05/24/content_25442984.htm


In India, 1,50,000 people die every year in road accidents.
pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=170577

 

[Kai Liu]

Heres some more Chinese Auto industry marvels :

Cant afford a land rover, buy a land wind

Hahaha, indians obsessed with these copy thing again...
Here I give you the top 10 best selling domestic brand cars and their sales figures: where is the copy? Hiring a designer is not a big deal. Main stream domestic brands no longer do this long ago... You are brain washed and your information are dated..
1 Wuling Hongguang: 650,018
2 Haval H6 580,683
3 Baojun 730 370,160
4 Trumpchi GS4 326,906
5 Baojun560 321,555
6 Geely EC7 223,781
7 Ghangan CS75 209,353
8 JAC Refine S3 197,947
9 Haval H2 196,920
10 Changan CS35 172,712

You can find the full list here: http://carsalesbase.com/china-car-sales-analysis-2016/

Wuling Hongguang:

Haval H6:

Baojun730

Trumpchi GS4

Baojun560

Geely EC7

Changan CS75

JAC Refine S3

Haval H2

Changan CS35

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Hahaha, indians obsessed with these copy thing again...
Here I give you the top 10 best selling domestic brand cars and their sales figures: where is the copy?
1 Wuling Hongguang: 650,018
2 Haval H6 580,683
3 Baojun 730 370,160
4 GAC Trumpchi GS4 326,906
5 Baojun 560 321,555
6 Geely EC7 223,781
7 Changan CS75 209,353
8 JAC Refine S3 197,947
9 Haval H2 196,920
10 Changan CS35 172,712

You can find the full list here: http://carsalesbase.com/china-car-sales-analysis-2016/

Wuling Hongguang:

Haval H6:

Baojun730

Trumpchi GS4

Baojun560

Geely EC7

Changan CS75

JAC Refine S3

Haval H2

Changan CS35

Didnt have to research much but-
Sorry to embarrass you further:
Haval H6 Vs Audi Q7. Looks like Audi copied haval?

@Kai Liu looking forward to a textual response.
"Listen here troll:
Lax regulations in India, poorly placed customer priority combined with cut throat competition when it comes to pricing has led to these poor ratings- and not the fact these vehicles are produced in India. The regulations are getting more stringent thats leading to higher spec safety as standard.

Also basing your argument solely on crash rating shows how unintelligent/ill informed you are.

Honda, Ford, Hyundai, Toyota, VW all manufactured and sold cars without air bags and even altered frames/crumple zones to Indians. So, going by your foolish logic, just based on safety ratings - The few Chinese manufacturers that had good crash ratings make the whole Chinese auto industry surpass the Americans, Japanese, Korean and German auto industries, right?
Other countries with lax regulations and rules get the same-very poorly equipped cars when it comes to safety. What will amaze even you more is that cars manufactured in India are exported to other countries according to their higher safety spec. What about that make in India?

Coming to the actual car industry and not just safety ratings of entry level $5000-$8000 cars-
If I were you I would never boast about an auto industry that dwells in making cheap imitations. I dont know whats most shameful: the cheap imitations themselves or the public with its crass taste buying these, or the government protecting these BS companies. I remember Rolls Royce had to sue giant Chinese car maker Geely because- apparently the Geely copy was so horrendous that RR thought it hurt their brand image.
You are world renowned for it. Here have a real laugh:
Also dont play yourself boy."

 

[Kai Liu]

Didnt have to research much but-
Sorry to embarrass you further:
Haval H6 Vs Audi Q7. Looks like Audi copied haval?
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@Kai Liu looking forward to a textual response.
"Listen here troll:
Lax regulations in India, poorly placed customer priority combined with cut throat competition when it comes to pricing has led to these poor ratings- and not the fact these vehicles are produced in India. The regulations are getting more stringent thats leading to higher spec safety as standard.

Also basing your argument solely on crash rating shows how unintelligent/ill informed you are.

Honda, Ford, Hyundai, Toyota, VW all manufactured and sold cars without air bags and even altered frames/crumple zones to Indians. So, going by your foolish logic, just based on safety ratings - The few Chinese manufacturers that had good crash ratings make the whole Chinese auto industry surpass the Americans, Japanese, Korean and German auto industries, right?
Other countries with lax regulations and rules get the same-very poorly equipped cars when it comes to safety. What will amaze even you more is that cars manufactured in India are exported to other countries according to their higher safety spec. What about that make in India?

Coming to the actual car industry and not just safety ratings of entry level $5000-$8000 cars-
If I were you I would never boast about an auto industry that dwells in making cheap imitations. I dont know whats most shameful: the cheap imitations themselves or the public with its crass taste buying these, or the government protecting these BS companies. I remember Rolls Royce had to sue giant Chinese car maker Geely because- apparently the Geely copy was so horrendous that RR thought it hurt their brand image.
You are world renowned for it. Here have a real laugh:
Also dont play yourself boy."

So looks like Jeep copied Mahindra... Hahahaha

 

[Han Patriot]

So looks like Jeep copied Mahindra... Hahahaha

It's okay for Indians to copy and not Chinese? C'mon the whole generic drug industry in India is a copy cat.
Still how does Chinese copying western cars got anything to do with the shitty Indian car safety? ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RATING?

 

[Kai Liu]

So looks like Jeep copied Mahindra... Hahahaha

And what is this shit, a Wrangler??

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Still how does Chinese copying western cars got anything to do with the shitty Indian car safety? ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RATING?

What does crash ratings of a few cars have to do with defining auto industries as a whole?

 

[Han Patriot]

Indian members, please don't change topic nor derail....this thread is about Indian cars getting ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RATING for safety.

 

[Kai Liu]

It's okay for Indians to copy and not Chinese? C'mon the whole generic drug industry in India is a copy cat.
Still how does Chinese copying western cars got anything to do with the shitty Indian car safety? ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RATING?

Exactly. Common trick they used to divert attention..