Ma Ying-jeou, Taiwan’s pro-China president, wins reelection

[oct605032048]

I think they are afraid you will launch the missiles into their prosperous country?

That's why I think they are very pragmatic.

We don't have missiles in 1949 why didn't they change the name then? When they have US's full support?

Because they don't want to.

 

[Truong Sa]

We don't have missiles in 1949 why didn't they change the name then? When they have US's full support?

Because they don't want to.

I can't know what they think, but I guess that at that time they still want to return to China mainland, and they want to revival so called Republic of China on the mainland...
At that time they were still a member of the UN.

 

[below_freezing]

The election results show more than half of Taiwanese people are very pragmatic.

However, if you ask people in Taiwan: "Are you a Chinese?" they will answer: "No, I am a Taiwanese"

I'm not going to deny reality. There's about 10% of Taiwanese that straight out support reunification under the PRC. There's 45% that want independence, but are too scared to say it out loud, and there are 45% that want to go independent, who cares about consequences.

The reason is that after the defeat of ROC forces on mainland Asia, they tried to reinstate a new identity for themselves in the 80's and 90's, when they realized that there was no way they were going to retake the mainland.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I'm not going to deny reality. There's about 10% of Taiwanese that straight out support reunification under the PRC. There's 45% that want independence, but are too scared to say it out loud, and there are 45% that want to go independent, who cares about consequences.

The reason is that after the defeat of ROC forces on mainland Asia, they tried to reinstate a new identity for themselves in the 80's and 90's, when they realized that there was no way they were going to retake the mainland.

10% want the unification under PRC

45% want the unification under ROC, if not, then no unification, but also no independence

45% want the independence

 

[below_freezing]

10% want the unification under PRC

45% want the unification under ROC, if not, then no unification, but also no independence

45% want the independence

no reunification, no independence 基本上就是“隐台独“（MJD算”明台独“）。

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

no reunification, no independence 基本上就是“隐台独“（MJD算”明台独“）。

That's why PRC will eventually run out of the patience.

There is only one China united under PRC, there is no any other option for that.

Therefore a military unification between 2016-2018 will still be likely. At that time, China will surpass USA by the nominal GDP and its military strength will be quite on par and having an absolute advantage in the Asia-Pacific region.

Meanwhile, PRC will show its might to prove it is the true successor of China under a military unification.

 

[SinoChallenger]

My Chinese comment was for the gentleman from China who said that because the Taiwanese had on their jacket we are Chinese meant they wanted reunification. I pointed out that was wrong.

As regards the party which wants peaceful relations with China winning is a no brainer but does that bring China closer to annexing Taiwan I doubt.

Still trying to embarass yourself with nonsense? You know better than the Taiwanese? Go persuade them to vote DPP then..... oops

Taiwan might face unification with China if Ma is re-elected: Tsai

Taipei, Dec. 23 (CNA) Taiwan might face unification with China if President Ma Ying-jeou is re-elected, due to his stance on a possible peace pact between Taiwan and China, main opposition Democratic Progressive Party Chairwoman Tsai Ing-wen said Friday.

Tsai, 55, outlining her platform along with Ma of the ruling Kuomintang (KMT) and People First Party Chairman James Soong in the first of three televised presentations, said people in Taiwan and abroad are very concerned about Ma's peace proposal with China.

Ma floated the issue of a peace agreement across the Taiwan Strait in November. However, the president has stressed that signing such a peace accord would be premised by public support, national needs and legislative supervision.

"If President Ma is re-elected, this generation might face the issue of ultimate unification," she said.

- CNA ENGLISH NEWS

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

no reunification, no independence 基本上就是“隐台独“（MJD算”明台独“）。

When Mainland become a civilized and developed country, Taiwan will choose the unification.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

When Mainland become a civilized and developed country, Taiwan will choose the unification.

Too bad, Mainland will always live under CCP, but Taiwan must come back under PRC's rule.

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

Too bad, Mainland will always live under CCP, but Taiwan must come back under PRC's rule.

If what u said happens, it will be a good thing for China. The mainlander will learn from taiwanese to vote for our own democratic leaders. and CCP will go to hell definitely. Woohoo! This is not the success of KMT or Taiwanese only, this is the success of the whole Chinese world.

 

[SinoChallenger]

That's why PRC will eventually run out of the patience.

There is only one China united under PRC, there is no any other option for that.

Therefore a military unification between 2016-2018 will still be likely. At that time, China will surpass USA by the nominal GDP and its military strength will be quite on par and having an absolute advantage in the Asia-Pacific region.

Meanwhile, PRC will show its might to prove it is the true successor of China under a military unification.

IMO, as long as KMT is in power, Taiwan will keep a distance from China's adversary -- USA. Without constant support from USA, such as including Taiwan in an East Asian NATO, Taiwan's de facto independence erodes and its ability to resist mainland China becomes weaker and weaker. By the time the next election rolls around in 2016, it will be too late even if the electorate wants de jure independence right away. China will be so powerful that it can reunify by force even if USA tries to intervene.

Therefore, Ma's victory is extremely significant because it starts the clock ticking. The present "no independence and no unification" position is only temporary until China becomes strong enough to repel even a determined effort toward independence with full USA support. When that day comes, even the Taiwanese who choose the status quo indefinitely (隐台&#29420 will have no bargaining power to resist pressure to agree to a timetable.

In 2012, the blues beat the greens. In 2016, it will be a contest between the blues and the yellows (亲民&#20826. In 2020, the yellows may finally win, and that would be good for the reds too!

We can thank Chen Shui-bian for being so corrupt, and successfully splitting the DPP into a more manageable adversary instead of the juggernaut it was back in late 90's early 2000's.

 

[amidamaru]

if america meant business... china still got A LONG way to go before they could repel the USA

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If what u said happens, it will be a good thing for China. The mainlander will learn from taiwanese to vote for our own democratic leaders. and CCP will go to hell definitely. Woohoo! This is not the success of KMT or Taiwanese only, this is the success of the whole Chinese world.

2016 will be an interesting year, it will be one stone for two birds for CCP.

And DPP will definitely come back and it will provide PRC a good excuse to militarily unify Taiwan.

Isn't this one stone for two birds? We can eliminate those “台毒分子”, meanwhile also those “国民党遗老遗少”.

2016年应该是泛蓝和泛绿都被泛红一锅端

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Therefore, Ma's victory is extremely significant because it starts the clock ticking.

Exactly right.

Ma's re-election gives us the most important thing, which is "time".

Every minute that passes, China's position grows stronger, and the situation becomes more favourable to us. By the time 2016 comes, we will be in a fantastic position.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

IMO, as long as KMT is in power, Taiwan will keep a distance from China's adversary -- USA. Without constant support from USA, such as bringing Taiwan into an East Asian NATO, Taiwan's de facto independence erodes and its ability to resist mainland China becomes weaker and weaker. By the time the next election rolls around in 2016, it will be too late even if the electorate wants de jure independence right away. China will be so powerful that it can reunify by force even if USA tries to intervene.

Therefore, Ma's victory is extremely significant because it starts the clock ticking. The present "no independence and no unification" position is only temporary until China becomes strong enough to repel even a determined effort toward independence with full USA support. When that day comes, even the Taiwanese who choose the status quo indefinitely (隐台&#29420 will have no bargaining power to resist pressure to agree to a timetable.

We can thank Chen Shui-bian for being so corrupt, and successfully splitting the DPP into a more manageable adversary instead of the juggernaut it was back in late 90's early 2000's.

We financially subsidized the Pan-Blue Taiwan, meanwhile the Pan-Blue Taiwan took our money and bought the new weapons from USA. This only benefits USA with the Pan-Blue Taiwan in power.

It looks that the Pan-Green Taiwan will come back in the next election, so 2016 will be a perfect opportunity for a coming unification.