Long March: China’s fifth-generation fighter is years away

[below_freezing]

It is fair to say that most "highly paid" Defence Analysts are utterly crap, precisely like their counterparts - "highly paid" Equity Analysts - in the stock markets. Most of these fortune tellers even can't get a grip on what's going on most of the time.

In case of this analyst and others like him, trashing J-20 equals to talking up F-35, as general logic so far out of all the known info indicates that J-20 would increasingly look like a potentially most proliferate serial killer of F-35s.

Without int'l clients to buy F-35, many guys like him would be "downsized" in order to recover the initial investments of the drastically overrun project.

So he managed to put up his "strong" face and start to ...

totally agreed, but the experts aren't clueless, they actually know very well what is going on, but how will they make money without making the public lose money on stocks? they're just sharks with microphones. same for defense "experts". they know exactly whats going on and are sh**ing their pants but know that they can't make money off F-35.

 

[Merilion]

Same for those who are not as fawning towards China. And am willing to stand by the faith that they understand the differences between systems and components than you boys do. I certainly have demonstrated that understanding and I left the avionics industry a long time ago

i for one is amazed by your in-depth knowledges in avionics industry.
but if it comes to china relate issue, i see a typical case of "prejudice is farther away from the truth than ignorance".

 

[Merilion]

dude

I observed sukhoi_30MKI remarks

His argument:

1. China's aircraft is copy and steal

2. India's aircraft is homebred or joint ventures in India "innovation"

3. India future stealth fighter stealth bombers XXXX (there will be stealth the merengues)?

Oh really interesting Indian ：）：）：）

his remark is not that off the mark if compare with ...people on BR indian from BR is claiming china is catching up with india because of j20

 

[siegecrossbow]

his remark is not that off the mark if compare with ...people on BR indian from BR is claiming china is catching up with india because of j20

Sure glad those people aren't here (at least don't last long any ways).

 

[aakash_2410]

the low US and Indian IQ is incapable of understanding why China has the capacity to build these planes. Their rigid education system based on fake "creativity" has completely destroyed their ability to think rationally. We first need to think about what physical infrastructure is necessary to even begin research on a fighter plane, about separating systems from components, and thinking critically on objectives, context and history.

Didn't expect this from you man?!
And btw, indian education is just as much theoratical based as chinese. It's not like american education at all.
Check this out.
YouTube - Two Million Minutes Documentary

 

[siegecrossbow]

Didn't expect this from you man?!
And btw, indian education is just as much theoratical based as chinese. It's not like american education at all.
Check this out.
YouTube - Two Million Minutes Documentary

You are right. A lot of top researchers in American Universities are Indian. I had a lot of Indian TAs.

 

[alphaxindia]

China has capacity to make combat aircraft, but stealth jet is far behind their reach. It is not simple to design Stealth technology, US took 20 years, Russia took 10 years. It will take some 5 years for china to design to stealth technology, then around 8 years to implement it in a fighter. Still it will not be more capable then F-35, which is inferior before F-22 and PAK-FA/T-50. First let them compete against Taiwan and Japan, "Compete with west(US-Russia-India)" for Chinese is far away dream for Fifth Generation Fighter.

 

[siegecrossbow]

China has capacity to make combat aircraft, but stealth jet is far behind their reach. It is not simple to design Stealth technology, US took 20 years, Russia took 10 years. It will take some 5 years for china to design to stealth technology, then around 8 years to implement it in a fighter. Still it will not be more capable then F-35, which is inferior before F-22 and PAK-FA/T-50. First let them compete against Taiwan and Japan, "Compete with west(US-Russia-India)" for Chinese is far away dream for Fifth Generation Fighter.

Is this the type of comment that Merillion was talking about earlier?

 

[aakash_2410]

Is this the type of comment that Merillion was talking about earlier?

As below_freezing said earlier there are 20% patriotic blinded indians and chinese and there are 80% people who know what the truth is on both sides. But those 20% make other 80% look bad. Don't streo-type that. anti-chinese idnians are very few[but unfortunately there are so many on tis forum that it seems most of the indians are anti-chinese]. When that's not the case.

 

[Dragon Emperor]

China has capacity to make combat aircraft, but stealth jet is far behind their reach. It is not simple to design Stealth technology, US took 20 years, Russia took 10 years. It will take some 5 years for china to design to stealth technology, then around 8 years to implement it in a fighter. Still it will not be more capable then F-35, which is inferior before F-22 and PAK-FA/T-50. First let them compete against Taiwan and Japan, "Compete with west(US-Russia-India)" for Chinese is far away dream for Fifth Generation Fighter.

What are you talking about? China already has a stealth jet known as J-20. It may be a prototype, but its design is stealthy! Haven't you seen the pictures? US experts say any country with huge military budget like China can develop a stealth airframe, but the problem is the electronics, sensors, and engines. So contrary to what you think, China already knows how to make stealth airframes, it's just the internal components that takes a few years away.

By the way, Finish Your LCA project before you comment about China's 5th gen fighter.

 

[lcloo]

What are you talking about? China already has a stealth jet known as J-20. It may be a prototype, but its design is stealthy! Haven't you seen the pictures? US experts say any country with huge military budget like China can develop a stealth airframe, but the problem is the electronics, sensors, and engines. So contrary to what you think, China already knows how to make stealth airframes, it's just the internal components that takes a few years away.

By the way, Finish Your LCA project before you comment about China's 5th gen fighter.

No body outside PLA has detail info on J-20, so the problem with eletronics and sensors are just speculation by the so-called western experts base on the images available. J-20's appearance surprise western experts, its electronics and sensors may be another surprise but China will never disclose details unless they want to market J-20 to other buyers.

 

[Sonic_boom]

^^^please delete your post its racist

 

[mjnaushad]

China has capacity to make combat aircraft, but stealth jet is far behind their reach. It is not simple to design Stealth technology, US took 20 years, Russia took 10 years. It will take some 5 years for china to design to stealth technology, then around 8 years to implement it in a fighter. Still it will not be more capable then F-35, which is inferior before F-22 and PAK-FA/T-50. First let them compete against Taiwan and Japan, "Compete with west(US-Russia-India)" for Chinese is far away dream for Fifth Generation Fighter.

ROFL.... Insecurity

Chinese might need 10 years for stealth tech... But no one really know from how long Chinese are working on stealth...Maybe last 5 years maybe last 10 years....

BTW i didn't know India count itself in "WEST"



As another members said....An indian reaction on chinese toys are usually

1. Its PS....

2. Its a copy of westren or Russian Product

3. Its inferior to our equipment

4. Alrite its not inferior but We'll compete that will our next toy bought from Russia or West.

 

[below_freezing]

ROFL.... Insecurity

Chinese might need 10 years for stealth tech... But no one really know from how long Chinese are working on stealth...Maybe last 5 years maybe last 10 years....

BTW i didn't know India count itself in "WEST"

there is no location in india more west than a location in china. there is also no location in india more east than a location in china. they can call themselves south, but that's a bad word.

 

[qwerrty]

ROFL.... Insecurity

Chinese might need 10 years for stealth tech... But no one really know from how long Chinese are working on stealth...Maybe last 5 years maybe last 10 years....

the j-xx project started since the 90's according to US intelligence.. russia invited china to join their t-50 many times, but not interested by china.. now, we know why..