Lockheed Martin offers F-16 Block 70, for India, from India, exported to the world

[cerberus]

compared to the upcoming Pak-FA,J-20, it'll be oboslete in the next 15 to 20 years, but it's still a perfectly good proven plane nonetheless.

So Yo Mean To say India Should buy 100 odd F-16 only For 20 years When Avg Life Average Fighter are 40 years What Nightmare in Business And Technical Sense
When we already had Manufacturing 300 Odd Su-30 Sorry but ,Thank you Sir

with your logic what's the point of building LCA?? is it just to gain knowledge in building airplanes?? you can get that same knowledge with the F-16 block 70 and it's a better overall plane.

India Already got Experience From Sukhoi-30 MKI

The Upgrades its offered is No better Than Su-30 MKI It Gives No Advantage against Sukhoi Super-30 Upgrade MLU Due For 2018

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

F16 B70 is still one of the potent platforms and include 5th gen technologies. India needs a lighter plane to replete its Mig21s. F16 B70 are the best replacement for Mig21s. 120 F16 B70's are a force to reckon with in this region. May be @Windjammer might explain the capabilities of F16s as he follows this platform to minute details. There are plans by LM to make available F16 for next 20 years with F16 Vs meant for US Air Force

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/news/a17874/f-16v-first-flight/

Moreover, India plans to exports made in India F16 to the world. That is a great foreign exchange earner and in tune with the present government's plan to make India a major defence manufacturing hub. LM itself sees 15 billion dollar export potential for made in India f16.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...de-in-india-f16-jets/articleshow/53532624.cms

List a nation , with capability to buy a modern 4th gen aircraft , and will go for F16, except Pakistan ? The truth is the talk about exporting Made in India, F16s is all but fake , no one is lining up to buy it.

 

[GURU DUTT]

compared to the upcoming Pak-FA,J-20, it'll be oboslete in the next 15 to 20 years, but it's still a perfectly good proven plane nonetheless.

with your logic what's the point of building LCA?? is it just to gain knowledge in building airplanes?? you can get that same knowledge with the F-16 block 70 and it's a better overall plane.

a single LCA can carry only 4 tonne of weapons fuel and pods/sensor on its 7+1 pylons ... ie... its a light multirole fighter

while a F16V Blk70/72 even with full internal and CFT fuel still can carry 8.5 tonne of weapons but still has next gen minutrised combined avionics suite (EW+ECM+Jammer+RWR+MWR) and an 3rd gen GaN based AESA radar that can pick up a F16 in clean configuration for 150 miles and can track 60+ targets and can engage 12 of them at once

and since even if LCA is made in full swing and rafales(36+90) also come still we would be 150 planes short and thats where F16s fit till AMCA , PAKFA/FHFA and hopefully F35 come

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

and since even if LCA is made in full swing and rafales(36+90) also come still we would be 150 planes short and thats where F16s fit till AMCA , PAKFA/FHFA and hopefully F35 come

And of those 150 needed , F16 is the 2Nd last option , Gripen being the last. Better options , with respect to TOT, geo politics, collaboration with Indian Industry , and capability are available.

And doubting the decision of IAFs testing team is not wise by any accounts.

 

[[Bregs]]

A fighter plane rejected in 2009 is being offered again in 2016 with more sweeteners ? does it makes sense, All this is happening when there is no news regarding 36 nos Rafale deal which has been announced by PM himself. height of stupidity

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

A fighter plane rejected in 2009 is caoabiing offered again in 2016 with more sweeteners ? does it makes sense, All this is happening when there is no news regarding 36 nos Rafale deal which has been announced by PM himself. height of stupidity

False Sweetners too.
Tell a name of nation which will buy F16 today if it has the capability to ? (Except Pakistan ) , and there goes the line " exporting made in India F16s "down the drain .

Neither we get anything more than Local assembly rights.

And then , when they say , " we will close the production in USA...... "

Damm man , that will be closed , no matter what.

 

[[Bregs]]

False Sweetners too.
Tell a name of nation which will buy F16 today if it has the capability to ? (Except Pakistan ) , and there goes the line " exporting made in India F16s "down the drain .

Neither we get anything more than Local assembly rights.

And then , when they say , " we will close the production in USA...... "

Damm man , that will be closed , no matter what.

what assembling experience this F16 project will bring is already provided for by su30mki, su27 etc since past many years. if rafale deal is being delayed now for lack of funds then why govt announced deal for 36 fighters ? This is called height of stupidity and inefficiency

 

[GURU DUTT]

And of those 150 needed , F16 is the 2Nd last option , Gripen being the last. Better options , with respect to TOT, geo politics, collaboration with Indian Industry , and capability are available.

And doubting the decision of IAFs testing team is not wise by any accounts.

wrong SAAB is just twisting the media and facts they can never share the stuff like what LM can do plus all the major weapons on Grippen are either amreican or have heavy parts from america and at almost same price i will anyday go with american product thana european one cause america can supply numbers like european cant even dream plus F16V/Blk70-72 is ready while grippenE has just entered in testing so my money will go to american supplier cause what kind of strategik and political milage we need we can only get it from USA its like big daddy of em all

 

[zebra7]

wrong SAAB is just twisting the media and facts they can never share the stuff like what LM can do plus all the major weapons on Grippen are either amreican or have heavy parts from america and at almost same price i will anyday go with american product thana european one cause america can supply numbers like european cant even dream plus F16V/Blk70-72 is ready while grippenE has just entered in testing so my money will go to american supplier cause what kind of strategik and political milage we need we can only get it from USA its like big daddy of em all

And why would India aka IAF would go for either Gripen or F-16 block 70/72 when Rafale proves to be the best candidate to fulfill its long range tactical strike platform. So either F-16 block 70/72 have the Twin engine, which I doubt won't have, or niether Gripen. So chill, there is only two platform which is going to enter the IAF other than FGFA in future which is LCA and Rafale F3R. For Indian Navy Rafale-M would be more advantageous for bieng having comonality with the Rafale of IAF.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

wrong SAAB is just twisting the media and facts they can never share the stuff like what LM can do plus all the major weapons on Grippen are either amreican or have heavy parts from america and at almost same price i will anyday go with american product thana european one cause america can supply numbers like european cant even dream plus F16V/Blk70-72 is ready while grippenE has just entered in testing so my money will go to american supplier cause what kind of strategik and political milage we need we can only get it from USA its like big daddy of em all

Sir Jee, I wrote

Rankings of aircrafts India Needs

1. XYZ
2. XYZ 2
3. XYZ 3
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.
.
.
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(n-1) . F16
n. SAAB.

Where n tends to infinity.

 

[GURU DUTT]

And why would India aka IAF would go for either Gripen or F-16 block 70/72 when Rafale proves to be the best candidate to fulfill its long range tactical strike platform. So either F-16 block 70/72 have the Twin engine, which I doubt won't have, or niether Gripen. So chill, there is only two platform which is going to enter the IAF other than FGFA in future which is LCA and Rafale F3R. For Indian Navy Rafale-M would be more advantageous for bieng having comonality with the Rafale of IAF.

rafale is no dought great fighter maybe the best but french will never give what they can and in the numbers required but americans can cause they are now moving to F35 its a golden chance which we cant afford to miss in every aspect plus an F16V with CFT & internal fuel alone has a Comabt radius of 550-600Km and still carry as much weapons like a MKI or rafale or say more than twice than tejas and thats more than enof for western sector while super sukhois and rafale could handle northen sector where se need 850-1000Kmcombat radius rest you can speculate yourself

 

[zebra7]

rafale is no dought great fighter maybe the best but french will never give what they can and in the numbers required but americans can cause they are now moving to F35 its a golden chance which we cant afford to miss in every aspect plus an F16V with CFT & internal fuel alone has a Comabt radius of 550-600Km and still carry as much weapons like a MKI or rafale or say more than twice than tejas and thats more than enof for western sector while super sukhois and rafale could handle northen sector where se need 850-1000Kmcombat radius rest you can speculate yourself

Ok let me explain you. The LM can only offer the TOT of the Airframe, and at the best the technology to manufacture the airframe, and some of the precission Welding technique and equipment to the HAL. But what about the Radar -- If you are dreaming that Rayethon is gonna give the whole knowhow of their AESA radar, and the software, which is they have devoloped by investing Billions of Dollor and time, then you are living in some Coockoland. And the same thing applies for the Powerplant, which is owned by the GE. So what LM could give india is the Airframe.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

rafale is no dought great fighter maybe the best but french will never give what they can and in the numbers required but americans can cause they are now moving to F35 its a golden chance which we cant afford to miss in every aspect plus an F16V with CFT & internal fuel alone has a Comabt radius of 550-600Km and still carry as much weapons like a MKI or rafale or say more than twice than tejas and thats more than enof for western sector while super sukhois and rafale could handle northen sector where se need 850-1000Kmcombat radius rest you can speculate yourself

Hello Sir Ji ; Welcome Back

 

[GURU DUTT]

Sir Jee, I wrote

Rankings of aircrafts India Needs

1. XYZ
2. XYZ 2
3. XYZ 3
.
.
.
.
.
(n-1) . F16
n. SAAB.

Where n tends to infinity.

Grippen is not what we need but F16 can do any job any mission and is more leathel in every aspect and time tested platform which is in MRCA catagorry but can carry as much weapons load to required targets and back like any other heavy fighter and can do all kinds of missions then be it SEAD/DEAD/CAS/COIN/arial interception ect ect as USA over a period of time has made it the original "OMNI ROLE" fighter owt there at reasonable price which in its role is second to none

Ok let me explain you. The LM can only offer the TOT of the Airframe, and at the best the technology to manufacture the airframe, and some of the precission Welding technique and equipment to the HAL. But what about the Radar -- If you are dreaming that Rayethon is gonna give the whole knowhow of their AESA radar, and the software, which is they have devoloped by investing Billions of Dollor and time, then you are living in some Coockoland. And the same thing applies for the Powerplant, which is owned by the GE. So what LM could give india is the Airframe.

so you think either SAAB or Thales gonna give you so called "full TOT" on there radars or weapon systems ? good luck then ... i rest my case

 

[zebra7]

what assembling experience this F16 project will bring is already provided for by su30mki, su27 etc since past many years. if rafale deal is being delayed now for lack of funds then why govt announced deal for 36 fighters ? This is called height of stupidity and inefficiency

The deals are not made only for the Knowhow or TOT, rather to fulfill the requirement of the IAF, and before making any comment on this thread, pls check out the IAF requirement of the Long Range Deep Strike, and that would need a Twin Engine, which neither F-16 nor Gripen have. And if F-18 comes into your mind, then it is only possible, when IAF or GOI is looking for the replacement or other candidate for the Rafale, and since, this is not happening right now -- Come to the reality that its only LCA Tejas as LMRCA and Rafale for DPSU Role.