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PIGS! No, I’m not swearing at anyone. PIGS is the acronym of Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain – the four European countries so deep in economic trouble that not even light can reach the bottom.

By the time the current recession pans out, vast swathes of Europe will have living standards lower than Thailand’s. In some regions, reports the Daily Mail, people are abandoning their children at charity homes. An entire generation of youth in Western Europe and the United States is growing up without the assurance of jobs – forget the cradle to grave security their parents and grandparents took for granted.

Canada’s Globe & Mail newspaper wonders if Britain’s current condition is a harbinger of the West’s future. It says that intergenerational poverty, rare in most countries today, has become a factor in a notable British subculture. That tallies with a British government report which shows that if you are born poor, you stay poor. Worse, millions of middle class British youth are faced with the stark choice of either stepping down into the underclass or migrating. (People from the UK and Ireland comprise the largest chunk – 32 percent – of immigrants coming into New Zealand.)

However, it is the American implosion that is most extraordinary. Not too long ago, Tracy, a small town near San Francisco, California, declared that its residents will be charged $300 every time the fire department responds to their 911 emergency calls. Remember, California is America’s richest state.

The US media is finally, although reluctantly, talking about the havoc the recession is wreaking on ordinary people, such as the 45 million Americans suffering from chronic hunger. The official jobless rate is 9 percent but that figure doesn’t include people who have stopped looking for jobs or are unemployable. Then it leaps to 17 percent, which is the point when the middle class starts crumbling.

Such a drastic decline in its power base threatens to topple the Atlantic alliance from the apex position it has occupied for just over 300 years.

Crumbling fortress

This double whammy – the erosion of economic status and the loss of global hegemony – is causing considerable disquiet in the extreme right. American arch-conservative politician and one-time presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan is horrified at the prospect of a diminished global status even as much of what was once the Third World is roaring up the growth charts.

Buchanan’s new book Suicide of a Superpower, about America’s decline, has been called racist and homophobic by critics, but it nevertheless has some grounding in reality. “America is disintegrating,” he screams. “The centrifugal forces pulling us apart are growing inexorably. What unites us is dissolving. And this is true of Western Civilization.... Meanwhile, the state is failing in its most fundamental duties. It is no longer able to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars.”

Another right winger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who spent the better part of his life advocating the destruction of Russia so that the Eurasian landmass could be turned into a lebensraum for the West, is now realising that the conservatives on the grand chessboard have been checkmated.

Brzezinski, a Pole, has gone to extent of claiming credit for the strategy that drew Russia into Afghanistan. Now he’s done an abrupt u-turn in his new book Strategic Vision: America and the Crisis of Global Power, in which he pleads that Russia be included in “a larger and more vital West”.

Brzezinski’s transformation from hawk to dove comes from the desperation of his cause – preaching to a dying empire.

Centre of gravity shifts

Contrary to what the media says, it’s not wars in Iraq or Afghanistan wars that have caused the West to lose traction. It’s just that the East is becoming wealthier in comparison through better economic practices and systems.

Chew on this figure – $123,000,000,000,000. For the numerically challenged that’s $123 trillion and China’s estimated economy in the year 2040. For perspective, the US economy is worth some $14 trillion today. What it means is China will soon become a colossus and the US will have to simply take a deep breath and retreat. If Delhi gets it act right, India could easily be the world’s leading economy in less than half a century. These figures are giving nightmares to Western conservative think tanks.

That’s not all. Western clubs like G8 are on life support – Russian President Vladimir Putin has said he won’t be attending its summit this year. Without small defenceless countries to bomb, NATO is less cohesive. And the IMF, that organ of American imperialism, will have to down shutters or offer more voting power to China and India.

That is tomorrow’s world without the West.

Routing around the West

The concept was first articulated by American academics Steven Weber, Naazneen Barma and Ely Ratner who said that in the new world order the rising powers are keen to break the dominance of the current order by increasingly “routing around” the West.

For years the East vs West debate has been framed largely in terms of whether emerging powers like China, India, Russia and Brazil will integrate into or challenge the existing international system built by the West. Weber and his associates contend rising powers are opting for neither.

“By preferentially deepening their own ties among themselves, and in so doing loosening relatively the ties that bind them to the international system centred in the West, rising powers are building an alternative system of international politics whose endpoint is neither conflict nor assimilation with the West,” they say.

This works in two ways. One, the rising powers deepen their trade, defence and cultural ties among themselves, creating a new parallel international system. So in effect, by not playing by the rules set by the West they are creating an alternative arrangement in which they neither enter into conflict situations with the West nor enter into subservient alliances (like those offered to South Korea and Japan).

Crucially, the developing world is routing around not just the West but also the idea of the West, making it increasingly difficult for Western narratives to penetrate the developing world.

This makes the West simply irrelevant.

For instance, India’s biggest trade partners are ASEAN, UAE and China; it wasn’t that long ago when the EU and the US were considered its traditional markets. India’s Commerce Ministry has set an export target of $500 billion by 2014 and the focus is entirely on Africa, Asia and Latin America to the virtual exclusion of the West.

Russia is using its vast oil and gas resources to shut out Western companies from the great new pipelines snaking out of Central Asia. China’s trade with emerging markets has grown so fast in the past seven years that it can now offset any weakness in the American and European markets.

As the West stumbles around in the recession, both India and China are racing each other to buy up the world’s minerals and commodities. Indian companies are buying farmland across Africa to grow food for a billion people. China has turned Australia into a virtual mining colony.

After Australia refused to sell uranium to India, New Delhi signed long-term agreements with Kazakhstan and Russia, shutting out the Australia for the next 30 years.

The West is literally being squeezed out.

Economic Darwinism

One reason for its growing irrelevance is that the West’s economic model is sputtering. Banks and financial institutions across the Western world have violated nearly all the 10 Commandments – they have lied to their customers and stolen trillions of dollars. The politicians who are supposed to have protected these unfortunate investors have lied even more and shielded these bank robbers and then rewarded them with hundreds of billions in bailout cash (borrowed from China). US billionaire philanthropist Pete Petersen calls it “carnivorous and animalistic capitalism”.

Another reason why the emerging countries are determined to establish a new system is America’s blatant misuse of the dollar. The US Federal Reserve ‘creates’ money by merely electronically ‘transferring’ trillions of dollars into the US banking system. Even printing bills has been given the go-by. In fact, defying the laws of economics as well as physics, wealth is being created quite literally out of thin air. Financial expert Max Kaiser says, “Countries like Russia, China and Brazil are trying to divorce themselves from the US dollar because it’s a completely toxic currency that’s just right for the counting fraud. It supports an empire that’s just too lazy to compete.”

The BRICS, for instance, have gone into a huddle several times to find a replacement for the dollar and end America’s phoney economics. Even India, whose leaders compete with Britain to cosy up to Washington, has spoken of the need for an alternate global currency. At the very minimum, this means the creation of a new centre of gravity of the world.

Smaller players like Iran have their own axe to grind. In 1953, a US-UK coup ousted their democratically elected leader Mossadeq, causing decades of instability. One of the reasons why Iran is being demonised by the West is that Tehran has been trying to create a petroleum exchange where payments will be accepted in any major currency bar the dollar. Can you blame the Iranians for carrying a grudge?

The West has had its heyday and made too many enemies along the way. Unfortunately its democratic traditions have not benefitted much of the planet. In contrast the model of authoritarian prosperity espoused by Russia and China has yielded dramatic results.

The transition to a post-Western world has started – and you have front row seats.

Living in a world without the West | Russia & India Report
 
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Chew on this figure – $123,000,000,000,000. For the numerically challenged that’s $123 trillion and China’s estimated economy in the year 2040. For perspective, the US economy is worth some $14 trillion today. ...........

Isn't is a trifle dishonest to compare the US economy today with a projection of what China's economy could be nearly 30 years from now, if the growth continues at its present pace undisturbed?
 
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Isn't is a trifle dishonest to compare the US economy today with a projection of what China's economy could be nearly 30 years from now, if the growth continues at its present pace undisturbed?

it's because all 30 year predictions come true. And the OP has wet dreams about great India etc...

imma say like i said in the Chinese threads: Come knocking when you take care of your populace like we take care of ours (social services, health, infrastructure.
Good luck. Best not to spend your time dwelling on teh interwbz , cuz you got so much work daydreaming can quickly turn counterproductive.

Need to comment a bit on this dumb sensationalist article:

By the time the current recession pans out, vast swathes of Europe will have living standards lower than Thailand’s

Doom and gloom!!!1

Another gem :lol:

Russia is using its vast oil and gas resources to shut out Western companies from the great new pipelines snaking out of Central Asia.

Rosneft a few days ago signed a 500 billion $ deal with Exxon that both parties mark as strategic. Exxon gains access to Siberia and arctic circle resources, Rosneft gain access to Mexican Gulf resources.


I do agree that a shift is happening however it is in no way as pronounced as you guys make it to be. And a lot of it is not due to recession (btw- im better in my recession then in your booming economy), but just due to a generic fact that more and more people in Asia have risen above poverty and can actually buy, pay taxes etc....

In other words, we don't decline so much as you rise.
 
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For years the East vs West debate has been framed largely in terms of whether emerging powers like China, India, Russia and Brazil will integrate into or challenge the existing international system built by the West. Weber and his associates contend rising powers are opting for neither.

“By preferentially deepening their own ties among themselves, and in so doing loosening relatively the ties that bind them to the international system centred in the West, rising powers are building an alternative system of international politics whose endpoint is neither conflict nor assimilation with the West,” they say.

Thought provoking.
 
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Thought provoking.

Thought provoking, but wrong. For an example, China's rise is due to giving up one borrowed western ideology for another (communism for capitalism). Will give the CCP this, they were the only ones with the strength to wipe the old civilization away (the 3 olds, etc., None of the other post-imperial "governments" could do it)
 
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An entire generation of youth in Western Europe and the United States is growing up without the assurance of jobs – forget the cradle to grave security their parents and grandparents took for granted.

This is a dangerous scenario given their war machine it create a large recruitment base for the army. Last time such a disaster hit Europe they ended up colonizing the entire world.

British came to India to seek new markers and Colombus discovered USA while trying to explore new markets..what happened next is history!
 
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since when does a small town outside san francisco denote the state of California? Since when does it denote the United States in general?

Don't get me wrong, California is in deep doodoo with regards to its fiscal deficit, but this is just retarded.
 
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Moved to Texas from Cali, despite the fiscal woes of the state, I didn't seem to notice much effect on my life directly, moaned about taxes and gas, but that never changes.
 
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If you have some people of European origin or their cheer leaders in pdf, you would get a typical response of denial, just like Ostrich burying their head in the sand. The center of gravity of the world's economy and power is shifting from West to Eastern part of Eurasian land mass and nothing is going to change that. People who are not prepared, mainly because of media brainwashing which has created a false reality in their mind, are just going to be surprised in the end.

But the West, or people of European origin, is still a formidable force of a billion people, with huge landmass under their control, the ANZ and the America's, in addition to Europe. So if this "fall of the West" is something that makes them more united, then it is good for them and the stability of the world. But gone are the days of colonial and neo-colonial empires, they will never come back, ever. It was a blip in the history of human civilization, mainly due to a historical accident, namely Ogedei Khan's untimely death:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...orld-order-road-map-future-8.html#post2758071

Once China has risen sufficiently, I am betting that Russians will make a decision to lean towards China with a Eurasian Union reaching the sea, while Japan and South Korea will defect from the Western team to lead ASEAN, again allied with China. And of course, the people in the West will dismiss all these dire predictions and an attempt at being a "Cassandra".
 
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Don't forget Russia is also part of that "Huge landmass"

Plus, the one advantage east Asia has (lotsa people) is set to collapse soon.
 
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If you have some people of European origin or their cheer leaders in pdf, you would get a typical response of denial, just like Ostrich burying their head in the sand. The center of gravity of the world's economy and power is shifting from West to Eastern part of Eurasian land mass and nothing is going to change that. People who are not prepared, mainly because of media brainwashing which has created a false reality in their mind, are just going to be surprised in the end.

But the West, or people of European origin, is still a formidable force of a billion people, with huge landmass under their control, the ANZ and the America's, in addition to Europe. So if this "fall of the West" is something that makes them more united, then it is good for them and the stability of the world. But gone are the days of colonial and neo-colonial empires, they will never come back, ever. It was a blip in the history of human civilization, mainly due to a historical accident, namely Ogedei Khan's untimely death:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...orld-order-road-map-future-8.html#post2758071

Once China has risen sufficiently, I am betting that Russians will make a decision to lean towards China with a Eurasian Union reaching the sea, while Japan and South Korea will defect from the Western team to lead ASEAN, again allied with China. And of course, the people in the West will dismiss all these dire predictions and an attempt at being a "Cassandra".
I am not familiar with the topic, but how could the death of one person can have such a huge historical consequence?

Don't forget Russia is also part of that "Huge landmass"

Plus, the one advantage east Asia has (lotsa people) is set to collapse soon.
What ever makes you sleep at night Yankee.
 
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It does, and will help my great grand children too, arab.(yours will sleeping in tents, IMHO)
 
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Thought provoking, but wrong. For an example, China's rise is due to giving up one borrowed western ideology for another (communism for capitalism). Will give the CCP this, they were the only ones with the strength to wipe the old civilization away (the 3 olds, etc., None of the other post-imperial "governments" could do it)

The communism is a Jewish ideology, since your regular SF members don't think the Jews belong to the West. :coffee:
 
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