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Crashing at great speed, Vikram has long been dead

Arun Ram | TNN | Updated: Sep 20, 2019, 0:15 IST
CHENNAI: While the rest of India waited two weeks for Chandrayaan-2 lander Vikram to ‘wake up’, top Isro scientists knew that the lunar craft had died in the crash in the early hours of September 7. The failure analysis team is inclined to believe that an error in the automatic landing programme (ALP) caused the accident.
Isro insiders told TOI that the 1,471kg Vikram, with the 27kg rover Pragyan in its belly, had crashed on the lunar surface at more than 200kmph, and that the onboard systems are unlikely to have survived the impact. Scientist who saw an image of Vikram after the crash-landing said the lander was either upturned or tilted, but not damaged beyond recognition.
“What I saw appeared like a shadow of Vikram,” said a scientist who analysed the image. “It was definitely not on its legs. I could see at least two of its four legs protruding. It was either upturned or tilted.”
Another scientist privy to the failure analysis said Vikram must have spun out of control sometime during the final 10km descent, and lost contact with the mission control when it was about 330m above the lunar surface (not 2.1km as Isro had earlier said). “When it was upside down, the thrusters which were supposed to act as brakes would’ve worked as accelerators and hit the lunar surface at more than 200kmph, maybe faster,” he said.
Another Isro source said even at that altitude, Vikram could’ve escaped without much damage had it been upright and the thrusters brought down the speed to 10m/s (36kmph). “Had it crashed on its legs, the ‘shoes’ would’ve acted as a shock absorber,” he said. “But since there has been no signal from Vikram, the onboard computer and other systems must have been damaged.”
Two scientists said there could have been an error in the landing program written by a team at the UR Rao Satellite Centre, Bengaluru. “Teams are going through the program. We have to see if it was properly reviewed before execution,” said a scientist who did not want to be named. The software program was to guide the various systems for altitude and velocity control throughout Vikram’s 15-minute descent from Moon’s 30km orbit to the surface to ensure a soft landing.
The official wait for reviving Vikram gets over on Friday, when the lunar day (14 Earth days) ends. The lander and the rover were designed to work for these 14 Earth days, after which the systems would anyway have shut down during the long, frigid lunar night when temperature dips to minus 183 degrees Celsius.
Soft-landing has remained a challenge for even pioneers in lunar exploration, including the US, Russia and China, as landers, often asymmetric with shifting centres of gravity, had to be manoeuvred from great speeds to near-zero velocity to touch down on the lunar surface upright.
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In Video:Nasa’s deep-space antennas sending hello messages to Vikram
 
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Even the crashed landing on the moon India need NASA orbiter located India piece of junks on the moon.
 
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Honestly I think the US must have messed with the relay satellite's transmission to sabotage India's mission, since India is using US relay satellites for communication.
 
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Crashing at great speed, Vikram has long been dead

Arun Ram | TNN | Updated: Sep 20, 2019, 0:15 IST
CHENNAI: While the rest of India waited two weeks for Chandrayaan-2 lander Vikram to ‘wake up’, top Isro scientists knew that the lunar craft had died in the crash in the early hours of September 7. The failure analysis team is inclined to believe that an error in the automatic landing programme (ALP) caused the accident.
Isro insiders told TOI that the 1,471kg Vikram, with the 27kg rover Pragyan in its belly, had crashed on the lunar surface at more than 200kmph, and that the onboard systems are unlikely to have survived the impact. Scientist who saw an image of Vikram after the crash-landing said the lander was either upturned or tilted, but not damaged beyond recognition.
“What I saw appeared like a shadow of Vikram,” said a scientist who analysed the image. “It was definitely not on its legs. I could see at least two of its four legs protruding. It was either upturned or tilted.”
Another scientist privy to the failure analysis said Vikram must have spun out of control sometime during the final 10km descent, and lost contact with the mission control when it was about 330m above the lunar surface (not 2.1km as Isro had earlier said). “When it was upside down, the thrusters which were supposed to act as brakes would’ve worked as accelerators and hit the lunar surface at more than 200kmph, maybe faster,” he said.
Another Isro source said even at that altitude, Vikram could’ve escaped without much damage had it been upright and the thrusters brought down the speed to 10m/s (36kmph). “Had it crashed on its legs, the ‘shoes’ would’ve acted as a shock absorber,” he said. “But since there has been no signal from Vikram, the onboard computer and other systems must have been damaged.”
Two scientists said there could have been an error in the landing program written by a team at the UR Rao Satellite Centre, Bengaluru. “Teams are going through the program. We have to see if it was properly reviewed before execution,” said a scientist who did not want to be named. The software program was to guide the various systems for altitude and velocity control throughout Vikram’s 15-minute descent from Moon’s 30km orbit to the surface to ensure a soft landing.
The official wait for reviving Vikram gets over on Friday, when the lunar day (14 Earth days) ends. The lander and the rover were designed to work for these 14 Earth days, after which the systems would anyway have shut down during the long, frigid lunar night when temperature dips to minus 183 degrees Celsius.
Soft-landing has remained a challenge for even pioneers in lunar exploration, including the US, Russia and China, as landers, often asymmetric with shifting centres of gravity, had to be manoeuvred from great speeds to near-zero velocity to touch down on the lunar surface upright.
Read this story in Marathi
In Video:Nasa’s deep-space antennas sending hello messages to Vikram

Didn't ISRO chief, the guy cried on Modi's shoulder, say that "India is nowhere less than China in space tech"? The whole 2-week waiting appears very fishy, ISRO is not honest to Indian public.

India nowhere less than China in arena of space: Isro | India News - Times of India
 
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Crashing at great speed, Vikram has long been dead

Arun Ram | TNN | Updated: Sep 20, 2019, 0:15 IST
CHENNAI: While the rest of India waited two weeks for Chandrayaan-2 lander Vikram to ‘wake up’, top Isro scientists knew that the lunar craft had died in the crash in the early hours of September 7. The failure analysis team is inclined to believe that an error in the automatic landing programme (ALP) caused the accident.
Isro insiders told TOI that the 1,471kg Vikram, with the 27kg rover Pragyan in its belly, had crashed on the lunar surface at more than 200kmph, and that the onboard systems are unlikely to have survived the impact. Scientist who saw an image of Vikram after the crash-landing said the lander was either upturned or tilted, but not damaged beyond recognition.
“What I saw appeared like a shadow of Vikram,” said a scientist who analysed the image. “It was definitely not on its legs. I could see at least two of its four legs protruding. It was either upturned or tilted.”
Another scientist privy to the failure analysis said Vikram must have spun out of control sometime during the final 10km descent, and lost contact with the mission control when it was about 330m above the lunar surface (not 2.1km as Isro had earlier said). “When it was upside down, the thrusters which were supposed to act as brakes would’ve worked as accelerators and hit the lunar surface at more than 200kmph, maybe faster,” he said.
Another Isro source said even at that altitude, Vikram could’ve escaped without much damage had it been upright and the thrusters brought down the speed to 10m/s (36kmph). “Had it crashed on its legs, the ‘shoes’ would’ve acted as a shock absorber,” he said. “But since there has been no signal from Vikram, the onboard computer and other systems must have been damaged.”
Two scientists said there could have been an error in the landing program written by a team at the UR Rao Satellite Centre, Bengaluru. “Teams are going through the program. We have to see if it was properly reviewed before execution,” said a scientist who did not want to be named. The software program was to guide the various systems for altitude and velocity control throughout Vikram’s 15-minute descent from Moon’s 30km orbit to the surface to ensure a soft landing.
The official wait for reviving Vikram gets over on Friday, when the lunar day (14 Earth days) ends. The lander and the rover were designed to work for these 14 Earth days, after which the systems would anyway have shut down during the long, frigid lunar night when temperature dips to minus 183 degrees Celsius.
Soft-landing has remained a challenge for even pioneers in lunar exploration, including the US, Russia and China, as landers, often asymmetric with shifting centres of gravity, had to be manoeuvred from great speeds to near-zero velocity to touch down on the lunar surface upright.
Read this story in Marathi
In Video:Nasa’s deep-space antennas sending hello messages to Vikram

Haha, didn’t Indians claim it’s in one piece but tilted? Indians so good at telling lies that they even deceive themselves after repeating lies so many times
 
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Didn't ISRO chief, the guy cried on Modi's shoulder, say that "India is nowhere less than China in space tech"? The whole 2-week waiting appears very fishy, ISRO is not honest to Indian public.

India nowhere less than China in arena of space: Isro | India News - Times of India
Hmmm......why will the head of a country's space organisation make such a comparison, instead of focusing on their own program and objectives? :disagree:. Such comparison should be done by fanboys not official figures of renowned state organisations
 
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Hmmm......why will the head of a country's space organisation make such a comparison, instead of focusing on their own program and objectives? :disagree:. Such comparison should be done by fanboys not official figures of renowned state organisations
You have no idea of the shit storm their media and public created against Pakistan on this landing.
 
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You have no idea of the shit storm their media and public created against Pakistan on this landing.
I don't know about that since didn't pay attention to those trivial things. I'm just surprised the head of a country's space program will make such childish remarks /comparison PUBLICLY. It's as if he feels they are lagging behind so they need to prove themselves. Not helpful at all.
Now that the lander didn't go as planned as it failed what will he say now? This will only lead to mockery when such mission fails, since such comments can't be taken back again since they are already out in public.
Such comparisons should be made by emotional nationalistic fanboys, not by a leading figure of a country's space program.
 
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I don't know about that since didn't pay attention to those trivial things. I'm just surprised the head of a country's space program will make such childish remarks /comparison PUBLICLY. It's as if he feels they are lagging behind so they need to prove themselves. Not helpful at all.
Now that the lander didn't go as planned as it failed what will he say now? This will only lead to mockery when such mission fails, since such comments can't be taken back again since they are already out in public.
Such comparisons should be made by emotional nationalistic fanboys, not by a leading figure of a country's space program.
It means ISRO lag far behind CNSA.
 
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Hmmm......why will the head of a country's space organisation make such a comparison, instead of focusing on their own program and objectives? :disagree:. Such comparison should be done by fanboys not official figures of renowned state organisations

Maybe this is the part of "traditional culture" that Mao tried very hard to get rid of? You don't see any Chinese official in any capacity making such foolish statement, who would have to resign next day in disgrace if he did, but it is perferctly all right in India. You see the diffrence in mentality between these two countries? Thus the difference in performance.
 
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The whole "tilted but in one piece" story and consequent pretend attempts to establish the communication with lander were a part of politically motivated public stunt designed to reduce the impact of a national trauma that would have been, had ISRO annouced the crash outright.

These guys are not honest people, from ISRO scientists who claimed to have a manned space mission by 2015, to the PM who claimed Mumbay would "surpass Shanghai and be the talking point of the world by 2009", to the president who claimed Indian be a superpower by 2012.
 
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Hmmm......why will the head of a country's space organisation make such a comparison, instead of focusing on their own program and objectives? :disagree:. Such comparison should be done by fanboys not official figures of renowned state organisations

It’s in their DNA, in their twisted mind if you say something means you achieved it. No wonder so many 2012 supa powa craps.

Indians love boasting, don’t mind ridicule after the fact.

The whole "tilted but in one piece" story and consequent pretend attempts to establish the communication with lander were a part of politically motivated public stunt designed to reduce the impact of a national trauma that would have been, had ISRO annouced the crash outright.

These guys are not honest people, from ISRO scientists who claimed to have a manned space mission by 2015, to the PM who claimed Mumbay would "surpass Shanghai and be the talking point of the world by 2009", to the president who claimed Indian be a superpower by 2012.

Indians love boasting, though deep down they are aware they can't deliver, but they don't feel shame

India public also don't hold them accountable, I guess it's a culture thing.
In East Asia Sinosphere like China and Japan, it's a great shame to run your mouth train like that
 
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A month later.....NASA orbiter takes pictures of Vikram and it has been smash to peices on the moon. It'll be impossible for India to cover it up since all the major space agencies can photograph the moon surface. We'll find out soon.
 
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