Lithuania To Buy $112 Million Worth Norwegian Air Defense Systems

[Fenrir]

there is large group of refeale in usa that work for usa and usa buy technologies from us too

So? Same with BAE. Same with Kongsberg which has 6 offices in the US and a strong working relationship with US companies including Lockheed, for who Kongsberg is supplying parts of the F-35, Raytheon and Boeing. The US uses a lot of Kongsberg's gear too.

Protector:

Remus and Hugin:

MTC30:

NASAMS, which protects the US capital and D.C. air space:

NSM is being explored as an armament for the LCS, pitted against newer blocks of Harpoon:

In addition to military projects, Kongsberg also contributes command, control, communications and coordination to US civilian agencies like NASA and the European Space Agency. This isn't even to touch on the energy sector.

None of this makes Kongsberg's products the best in the world. That form of "logic" isn't logic and having the US buy your goods, or jointly develop them doesn't make them the world's best either. That kind of thinking is hubris, nothing more.

 

[dani958]

So? Same with BAE. Same with Kongsberg which has 6 offices in the US and a strong working relationship with US companies including Lockheed, for who Kongsberg is supplying parts of the F-35, Raytheon and Boeing. The US uses a lot of Kongsberg's gear too.

Protector:

Remus and Hugin:

MTC30:

NASAMS, which protects the US capital and D.C. air space:

NSM is being explored as an armament for the LCS, pitted against newer blocks of Harpoon:

In addition to military projects, Kongsberg also contributes command, control, communications and coordination to US civilian agencies like NASA and the European Space Agency. This isn't even to touch on the energy sector.

None of this makes Kongsberg's products the best in the world. That form of "logic" isn't logic and having the US buy your goods, or jointly develop them doesn't make them the world's best either. That kind of thinking is hubris, nothing more.

so what make things best in the world?

 

[C130]

how does this stack up to TOR?

NASAM on the M113 would have the same kinda mobility right?? but can it fire on the move like the TOR can?

 

[Penguin]

so what make things best in the world?

The qualities of the system in question. Which is related to what something is supposed to do.

Meaning that a Merkava IV may be a great tank, but a lousy lawn mower. What makes a great lawnmower is specific to the expectations one might have towards a lawnmower. And one customers' expectations may differ from the next (within a certain range: all lawnmowers are expected to cut grass, after all). Also, given climatic differences, there will be differences in vegetation so a lawn in one place may differ from that in another in terms of what specific grass grown well in those climatic circumstances. So, a lawnmower that does great on lawns in the UK where grass type X is predominant and there are certain soils may do poorly on lawns in another country where a different grass is common and soil is different.

Put differently, if all you neighbours have old T-55s, then a Merkava IV - while a good, modern tank - is overkill. A modernized T-72 would suffice to dominate against armor of the neighbours, even if that too gets modernized. A modernized T-72 is a lot cheaper than a Merkavaq IV. So it is price/quality of the solution (i.e. some tank) in relation to what the tank is expected to be able to do specifically.

 

[Aero]

I don't have access to the contract details unfortunately, so I can't give you a cost estimation or a confirmation as to the number of batteries Poland is purchasing. I can only confirm that they are purchasing NASAMS II.
A single battery consists of 12 individual launchers, each with 6 missiles

They are buying 2 batteries for $115 Million.
http://www.defence24.com/377816,lithuania-selects-the-nasams-air-defence-system
http://defence-blog.com/news/lithua...ssile-defence-systems-nasams-from-norway.html
https://www.rt.com/news/360854-lithuania-nato-defense-system/

 

[Aero]

Any other sources? Not one of those three links mentions the cost or size of the order.

For Cost
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/lithuania-eyes-kongsberg-air-defense-system-in-100m-deal
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lithuania-eyes-norway-air-defence-deal-amid-russia-140143065.html

For Size + Cost
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-09/26/c_135712799.htm

Actually above RT links mention cost maybe you should go through again.

 

[Fenrir]

For Size + Cost
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-09/26/c_135712799.htm

So they're buying to equip two "batteries". But aren't buying two batteries of NASAMS, if that article is accurate:

According to the ministry, two of the country armed force's batteries, military units of a size of a company, would be equipped with the NASAMS systems.

The country plans to acquire two rocket launchers for one of the batteries, each battery is to receive a fire distribution center and radar, according to the ministry's information provided to BNS.

Two launchers, a fire distribution center and a radar for each unit. OK, but far short of a battery which is comprised of 12 launchers, 8 radars, 1 fire control and 1 communications control vehicle, and an electro-optical sensor:

 

[Penguin]

So they're buying to equip two "batteries". But aren't buying two batteries of NASAMS, if that article is accurate:

According to the ministry, two of the country armed force's batteries, military units of a size of a company, would be equipped with the NASAMS systems.

The country plans to acquire two rocket launchers for one of the batteries, each battery is to receive a fire distribution center and radar, according to the ministry's information provided to BNS.

Two launchers, a fire distribution center and a radar for each unit. OK, but far short of a battery which is comprised of 12 launchers, 8 radars, 1 fire control and 1 communications control vehicle, and an electro-optical sensor:

It is a start. They need to first learn how to use this system. And they are pressed for funding. I don't think additional firing units would be so costly, but radars etc may be.

 

[DavidSling]

The qualities of the system in question. Which is related to what something is supposed to do.

Meaning that a Merkava IV may be a great tank, but a lousy lawn mower. What makes a great lawnmower is specific to the expectations one might have towards a lawnmower. And one customers' expectations may differ from the next (within a certain range: all lawnmowers are expected to cut grass, after all). Also, given climatic differences, there will be differences in vegetation so a lawn in one place may differ from that in another in terms of what specific grass grown well in those climatic circumstances. So, a lawnmower that does great on lawns in the UK where grass type X is predominant and there are certain soils may do poorly on lawns in another country where a different grass is common and soil is different.

Put differently, if all you neighbours have old T-55s, then a Merkava IV - while a good, modern tank - is overkill. A modernized T-72 would suffice to dominate against armor of the neighbours, even if that too gets modernized. A modernized T-72 is a lot cheaper than a Merkavaq IV. So it is price/quality of the solution (i.e. some tank) in relation to what the tank is expected to be able to do specifically.

Or better yet, same reason why Israel is fielding C-Dome and Barak 8 on it's naval ships, Barak 8 can take care of threats that Iron Dome can, but Iron Dome is more cost effective.

NASAMS (Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System)

Lithuania plans to buy $US112 million worth Norwegian and American mid-range air defense systems NASAMS.

"We plan to spend a bit more than 100 million euros," Lithuanian Defense Minister Juozas Olekas told BNS news agency.

Two of the country armed force's batteries, military units of a size of a company, would be equipped with the NASAMS systems. The country plans to acquire two rocket launchers for one of the batteries, each battery is to receive a fire distribution center and radar.

In May, the Lithuanian Defense Ministry announced the country starts negotiations with the Norwegian government on purchasing the medium-range air defense systems NASAMS.

The system manufactured by Kongsberg is capable of hitting the targets at the range of up to 40 km and at the height of up to 14 km. currently, the country's armed force only has short-range air defense systems.

In recent years, Lithuania has stepped up its defense capabilities. It has purchased Polish made man-portable short-range air defense systems GROM and decided to increase its armed forces' stock of mid-range anti-tank systems by purchasing JAVELIN systems.

The Baltic state also acquired German 155 mm self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000. In August, Lithuania agreed to purchase 88 infantry fighting vehicles (IFV) the Boxer from the German-Dutch manufacturer Artec.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/17...th_Norwegian_Air_Defense_Systems#.V-m0aCh96hc

Seems like a good purchase, congratz