Lithuania To Buy $112 Million Worth Norwegian Air Defense Systems

[Penguin]

Of the missiles? The current AIM-120C has a horizontal range of +40km and a vertical range of +15km. The system also accommodates AIM-9X Block II, an ESSM variant and has been certified for an extended range AIM-120D surface launched variant, but the type isn't currently deployed. Their ranges differ from the AIM-120.

AIM-120B is most commonly used internationally and has a horizontal range of +20km.

Normally, the active radar homing AIM-120 is used. Added were, first, the infrarad homing AIM-9X and then the SL-AMRAAM-ER, which is the AIM-120C7 seekerhead on and Rim-162 ESSM missile body.

Normal AMRAAM A2A ranges are
AIM-120A/B: 55–75 km
AIM-120C-5: >105 km
AIM-120D (C-8): >160/180 km
Ground launch ranges will be shorter.
Reading Maddy Lynn's post, it sounds like ground launch of B and C will cut range by about up to 75%

Normal Sidewinder 9X A2A range is 35km
Ground launch range will be shorter. e.g. 10 km

The SL AMRAAM missile is credited with a horizontal effective range of up to 25 km. Other sources cite a range of 'over 15 km', but this depend on the missile version used.
http://www.defense-update.com/products/n/nasams_300409.html
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/20110111.aspx

This seems consistent with the qoute for AIM-120B G2A

AMRAAM ERs range extension could not be disclosed, but is expected to be increased to 40–50 km (25–31 mi) with a 45,000 ft (14,000 m) altitude ceiling. Which is consistent with ESSM

Normal ESSM Operational range is 50km+

 

[dani958]

there are planes go higher than that high

 

[Basel]

M113F4 Logistic support vehicle, basically an extended F3, but with shorter superstructures (and door on the left side of the wagon) to accommodate container, Arthur module etc. in the rear.

Source https://milforum.net/showthread.php/58079-M-113-Familie-beltegående-pansret-personellkjøretøy/page4

Specifically post 126
https://milforum.net/showthread.php/58079-M-113-Familie-beltegående-pansret-personellkjøretøy/page4?p=1183219&viewfull=1#post1183219

See also post 129
https://milforum.net/showthread.php/58079-M-113-Familie-beltegående-pansret-personellkjøretøy?s=5c86d323dfb1343c7768c1d777aaed20&p=1183410&viewfull=1#post1183410
It talks of IRIS-T on a light vehicle, not AMRAAM

All from http://slideplayer.com/slide/7903734/

Clearly the launcher unit could easily fit an M113F4

How potent this system is against current and future threats? is it good enough for Pakistan to look into it?

 

[Penguin]

How potent this system is against current and future threats? is it good enough for Pakistan to look into it?

It is comparable to Spada/Aspide 2000 used by Pakistan, with the main difference being that the AIM-120 Amraam missile is active radar homing, while the Italian Aspide is semi-active radar homing. Also NASAMS can use multiple types of missiles, whereas Spada/Aspide 2000 has just one type of missile.

ASPIDE 2000, like ESSM, was used to upgrade SA-6 (Czech project)

 

[dani958]

How potent this system is against current and future threats? is it good enough for Pakistan to look into it?

well its western system it will be expnsive for you

 

[Basel]

It is comparable to Spada/Aspide 2000 used by Pakistan, with the main difference being that the AIM-120 Amraam missile is active radar homing, while the Italian Aspide is semi-active radar homing. Also NASAMS can use multiple types of missiles, whereas Spada/Aspide 2000 has just one type of missile.

But few people say that PAF is not fully satisfied with SPADA/Aspide 2000, if it is similar then how better is this one and why SPADA/Aspide 2000 is not very effective?

 

[dani958]

lets say its not from the leading system from the world the israelis are better

 

[Penguin]

well its western system it will be expnsive for you

Since Pakistan has obtained the Italian Spada/Aspide 2000 system, this is a BS remark with no basis in reality.

But few people say that PAF is not fully satisfied with SPADA/Aspide 2000, if it is similar then how better is this one and why SPADA/Aspide 2000 is not very effective?

I didn't say that NASAMS is better or that Spada/Aspide 2000 is not very effective. The two systems ARE different. One advantage of the Italian system for Pakistan is that it is from ITALY, whereas AIM-120 Amraam and other missiles used in NASAMS are from the US.

 

[Basel]

well its western system it will be expnsive for you

SPADA 2000 SAM & Erieye AWACS are also western system and we have it.

 

[Penguin]

lets say its not from the leading system from the world the israelis are better

Would you care to explain why exactly the Israeli Spyder system would be superior to Nasams 2? It is not better just because it is from Israel, obviously.

Spyder employs Python-5 SRAAM and Derby MRAAM. As a short range air defence system, the SPYDER-SR has a short range of interception. The maximum altitude of interception is 9 km and the maximum range of interception is 15 km. The SPYDER-MR has a greater operation range of 35 km and an altitude engagement of 16 km due to the missiles being equipped with boosters.
http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/186-704-en/Marketing.aspx
http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/186-1367-en/Marketing.aspx

Spyder SR firing unit

Spyder SR system

Spyder- MR firing unit

Spyder MR system

Missiles used

Have fun putting together your arguments and evidence.

 

[Fenrir]

Is it good enough for Pakistan to look into it?

It's an option, but I'd say it's not ideal for Pakistan because NASAMS is a collaboration with the US company Raytheon and would require US support as well, especially for the missiles AIM-120, AIM-9X and ESSM.

I say it's not ideal for another reason too - politics. Norway and Pakistan have positive relations, especially as Pakistanis are one of our largest immigrant groups, but our two nations don't have positive defense relations.

I can't name you a single Kongsberg product that Pakistan operates or has been offered. Penguin maybe? There's anecdotal evidence to suggest Pakistan may have or continues to use the Penguin missile, but it's unproven at best.

Is NASAMS an option should Pakistan explore it? Yes, it available for export, but it's hardly going to be an easy sell for either side given the limited defense relations between the two parties.

While not my call, I support selling defensive weapons to Pakistan, and NASAMS would fit:

I think the High Mobility Launcher might peak more interest in Pakistan rather then the more static, but moveable NASAMS box launchers.

I don't support selling offensive weapons however (like NSM), except to our partners in Europe or the US.

 

[dani958]

Would you care to explain why exactly the Israeli Spyder system would be superior to Nasams 2? It is not better just because it is from Israel, obviously.

Spyder employs Python-5 SRAAM and Derby MRAAM. As a short range air defence system, the SPYDER-SR has a short range of interception. The maximum altitude of interception is 9 km and the maximum range of interception is 15 km. The SPYDER-MR has a greater operation range of 35 km and an altitude engagement of 16 km due to the missiles being equipped with boosters.
http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/186-704-en/Marketing.aspx
http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/186-1367-en/Marketing.aspx

Spyder SR firing unit

Spyder SR system

Spyder- MR firing unit

Spyder MR system

Missiles used

Have fun putting together your arguments and evidence.

israel known for her best technology maybe after usa

 

[mike2000 is back]

Norway stronk

 

[Penguin]

israel known for her best technology maybe after usa

Well, then it should be that NASAMS is better, given US role in it.

The Norwegian company Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace teamed up with the US Raytheon and initiated the NASAMS programme. The system integrates US-built AN/MPQ-64 F1 Sentinel air defense radar and AIM-120 AMRAAM and other missiles with an indigenously developed Battle management C4I system called FDC, short for Fire Distribution Center. The FDC connected to a MPQ-64 radar forms an "Acquisition Radar and Control System" (ARCS). It uses 3 US-made missiles: AIM-120, ESSM derived SL-AMRAAM-ER/EX, and AIM-9X. A more recent version of the program is the High Mobility Launcher, made in cooperation with Raytheon (Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace was already a subcontractor on the SLAMRAAM system), where the launch-vehicle is a Humvee (M1152A1 HMMWV), containing four AMRAAMs each

Norway stronk

I can't name you a single Kongsberg product that Pakistan operates or has been offered. Penguin maybe? There's anecdotal evidence to suggest Pakistan may have or continues to use the Penguin missile, but it's unproven at best.

While not from Norway and not sold to Pakistan, I can confirm that the SIPRI arms transfer database lists not a single transfer of arms from Norway to Pakistan between 1950 and 2015. Nor has the US shipped any other antiship missiles besides Harpoon to Pakistan.

 

[dani958]

there is large group of refeale in usa that work for usa and usa buy technologies from us too