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China's poverty line: Life at the bottom of the middle kingdom | The Economist
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This week China raised its rural poverty line to 2,300 yuan a year. It's about time. China's official definition of poverty has traditionally been quite
miserly.
In a 2008 paper Shaohua Chen and Martin Ravallion of the World Bank noted that
China's rural poverty line was "one of the lowest lines in the developing world".
So how generous is 2,300 yuan by international
standards?
Some news reports (see here) implied that China's new line still falls below the World Bank's global poverty standard of $1.25 a day. That seems obvious: 2,300 yuan per year is 6.3 yuan
per day, or a little less than $1 at today' exchange rate.

But the World Bank's poverty line is not set at
market exchange rates. It's $1.25 in 2005 Purchasing-Power-Parity (PPP) dollars. By the World Bank's definition, you are poor if your
purchasing power (ie, your command over
goods and services) is less than that of an
America subsisting on $1.25 a day in 2005.

That's simplifying a bit, because international
comparisons of purchasing power are fraught
with difficulties. Fish, for example, is an abundant
staple in coastal countries but an expensive treat
in landlocked, mountainous regions. If you found
a Bolivian enjoying the same amount of fish as a
Chilean, you should not conclude that the two are
equally well off. Likewise, the hilsa is a middle-
class favourite in Bangladesh, but an out-of-stock
specialty item in America. Only rich Americans
can eat as much hilsa as middle-class
Bangladeshis. Nonetheless, in theory, the
international poor consume the same amount as
an American living on $1.25 a day in 2005.
This point is I think still poorly understood. When
people hear that almost 1.4 billion ( 1,374m) people
live on less than a $1.25 a day, they comfort
themselves with the thought that a dollar
stretches much further in a poor country than it
does in America. They may have fond memories
of backpacking around India or Guatemala on a
shoestring during their younger days. But that is
false comfort. The World Bank knows full well
that a dollar packs more punch in a poor
country. When it says someone is living on $1.25
a day, it means they are living on what that
would buy you in America in 2005, not what it
would buy you in Guatemala, India or China.
Once that's understood, how does China's new
poverty line stack up? To make the comparison,
you have to account for differences in purchasing
power over time, as well as between countries.
China's poverty line is set at 2010 prices. Thanks
to inflation, 6.3 yuan in 2010 bought only as
much as 5.46 yuan in 2005.
That adjusts for time, what about place?
According to the World Bank, 5.46 yuan in China
in 2005 stretched about as far as $1.33 in America
in the same year. (That's using the 2005
consumption PPP rate of 4.089.) So by that
calculation, China's new poverty line is eight cents
higher than the World Bank's.
However, China deems a person poor if
their income is less than $1.33 (at 2005 PPP) a
day. The World Bank says they're poor if
their consumption is less than $1.25 a day. The
difference between income and consumption is
saving. So if someone consumes $1.24 and
saves 9 cents, they are poor by the World Bank's
definition, but not by China's. That might make
China's definition of poverty more stringent than
the World Bank's.
But that's not the end of it. In China, the PPP
estimates are biased. They are based on an
international comparison of prices overseen by
the World Bank but carried out by China's
National Bureau of Statistics. It looked at prices in
11 Chinese cities. But China's cities are much more
expensive than China's villages. Some effort was
made to correct for this, but not enough.
Shaohua Chen and Martin Ravallion argue that the
price level the NBS reported was 37% higher than
the rural prices China's villagers face.
If that's the case, then China's new poverty line is
equivalent not to $1.33 per day, but to $1.83 per
day (1.334*1.37) in 2005 $PPP. That is
comfortably higher than the World Bank's global standard. But it's still a miserable existence.
 
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in fact, china literally started at the bottom, and in a few decades climbed to become the 2nd largest economy in the world and predicted to become the #1 largest economy in a few more decades. china's development is far from complete so it should not be surprising that we still have a rural population, but even that is shrinking. in just a decade's time china lifted hundreds of millions out poverty. can we say the same about india? no, we can not.

china was the middle kingdom in the past and will be again in the future.

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yes, we can say that India also had lifted its million people in last two deceds.
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Poverty in India has reduced, claims UN report
UN has come up with a report that suggests India is making some progress in reducing poverty. The report that tracks the progress of the international organization’s long-term goals, shows India’s poverty rate is expected to fall to 22% by 2015 from 51% in 1990.
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But this thread is not about Indian poverty line its about china, so can we stick at topic.
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as you highlightened "China's rural poverty line was "one of the lowest lines in the developing world", which is "That seems obvious: 2,300 yuan per year is 6.3 yuan per day, or a little less than $1 at today' exchange rate."

since you are so critical about Chinese poverty line, the great india must be better than that right? I mean that's "one of the lowest lines!"

The poverty line in recent years is as follows - (Rs. per month per head)
Year India rural India urban
2000–2001 328 454
2005–2006 368 560

Since we are taking the western world's standard, that's about $7.5 per month, 25 cents a day.

I'm sure it has changed since 2006, you are welcome to show us.

When a Chinese talk about poverty, a indian should be laughing or crying?
 
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yes, we can say that India also had lifted its million people in last two deceds.
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Poverty in India has reduced, claims UN report
UN has come up with a report that suggests India is making some progress in reducing poverty. The report that tracks the progress of the international organization’s long-term goals, shows India’s poverty rate is expected to fall to 22% by 2015 from 51% in 1990.
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But this thread is not about Indian poverty line its about china, so can we stick at topic.
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27.1% not bad at all, so is this the 25 cents poverty line you are using or the international one you use to judge China on?

cause this picture is from government of india, not from the UN report you were talking about
 
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