Let the truce flag go up - Bluster should make way for peace initiatives with Pakistan

[Hamza913]

"Show some respect", your words, to one of the Founders of Pakistan. After all, he is not an ordinary man. It was Ch. Rehmat Ali who founded the Pakistan National Movement in 1933. It wasn't Jinnah or Allama Iqbal. Pakistanis exist because of Ch. Rehmat Ali. Though he doesn't get his due in the Pakistan Studies books since he was a critical voice.





Google is not a source. Google is a search engine.

For the 5th time, kindly provide sources for your lofty claims?





Aḥmad Ibn Yaḥyā al-Balādhurī, a historian, is a reliable souce. His works are the basis for some of the most important works of history. He was close to the action than you are with your lofty claims with no sources. Think about it logically.

Since you're too lazy to use the internet yourself, I might as well given you some links:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_bin_Qasim
http://historypak.com/muhammad-bin-qasim/

You can easily find more if it really bothers you so much.

Use your head. He did not go up to every person in Sindh and ask them if they were still Muslim. It's simply not possible. Think rationally.

Since you've been unable to prove your claims, I think this discussion is over.

 

[Khanate]

Since you're too lazy to use the internet yourself, I might as well given you some links:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_bin_Qasim
http://historypak.com/muhammad-bin-qasim/

You can easily find more if it really bothers you so much.

Dear boy, how old are you?

If you go to graduate school, or ever write a dissertation, Wikipedia and HistoryPAK.com can never be used as a principal source. They cannot even be used for citations. These are unreviewed opinions at best which are worthless.

For every argument I've made, I have presented historical document and historical records. Kitab Futuh al-Buldan written by Baladhuri is one of those. Chach Nama written by Ali Kūfī is another. Everything written by Ch. Rehmat Ali is also a historical document.

Now can you present direct sources that back your lofty claims? Googlejunk and Wikitrash are not sources.

Use your head. He did not go up to every person in Sindh and ask them if they were still Muslim. It's simply not possible. Think rationally.

Again, you weren't there. Baladhuri was closer to the action than you. Thinking rationally, I have to go with Baladhuri.

Since you've been unable to prove your claims, I think this discussion is over.

I've provided sources for everything. In this case, my source is a Umayyad historian, Baladhuri.

Source: A Book of Conquest: The Chachnama and Muslim Origins in South Asia by Manan Ahmed Asif

 

[Hamza913]

Dear boy, how old are you?

If you go to graduate school, or ever write a dissertation, Wikipedia and HistoryPAK.com can never be used as a principal source. They cannot even be used for citations. These are unreviewed opinions at best which are worthless.

For every argument I've made, I have presented historical document and historical records. Kitab Futuh al-Buldan written by Baladhuri is one of those. Chach Nama written by Ali Kūfī is another. Everything written by Ch. Rehmat Ali is also a historical document.

Now can you present direct sources that back your lofty claims? Googlejunk and Wikitrash are not sources.





Again, you weren't there. Baladhuri was closer to the action than you. Thinking rationally, I have to go with Baladhuri.





I've provided sources for everything. In this case, my source is a Umayyad historian, Baladhuri.

Source: A Book of Conquest: The Chachnama and Muslim Origins in South Asia by Manan Ahmed Asif

If you want more in depth sources, like I said before, you can Google them. You do realise Wikipedia also provides citations, right?

You only provided evidence using a single individual who's ideas got mostly scrapped, and another piece of flimsy evidence about Muhammad Bin Qasim, which doesn't even prove your original point (that Pakistanis and Hindustanis are radically different to each other in ways other than religion/ideology).

As I've said before, Al Baladhuri did not go up to every person in Pakistan and ask them if they believed in Islam. He made an observation, that cannot be falsified. One could make the same claim visiting Spain, but we know that not to be the case due to more reliable sources of measurement than someone's personal experience.

Since I'm done discussing this point about Qasim, can we please return to the original topic or would you rather end this discussion all together?

 

[Khanate]

If you want more in depth sources, like I said before, you can Google them. You do realise Wikipedia also provides citations, right?

If you make a claim then kindly provide sources for it. Asking others to do your homework is impolite or as you put it, "lazy".

You only provided evidence using a single individual who's ideas got mostly scrapped

Again, have you looked at the map of Pakistan?

And the source is one of the Founders of Pakistan, i.e., Ch. Rehmat Ali. His ideas represent your identity as a Pakistani. We owe our existence to him. Now please state your qualifications so we evaluate who is more credible here.

and another piece of flimsy evidence about Muhammad Bin Qasim, which doesn't even prove your original point (that Pakistanis and Hindustanis are radically different to each other in ways other than religion/ideology).

That is a lot more evidence than Wikitrash and Googlejunk.

Again, for the 6th time, please quote a single historical source for your loft claims. One single source should be easy to manage at your age. If you don't know where to look, I can give you tips. Its the Chach Nama written in 1216 CE by Muhammad Ali bin Hamid bin Abu Bakr Kufi, or simply Ali Kufi. Passages of Chach Nama are used to glorify Qasim but the Chach Nama was written in 1216 CE. Baladhuri penned his account 4 centuries earlier.

My contention is very clear and I've stated it before.

As I've said before, Al Baladhuri did not go up to every person in Pakistan and ask them if they believed in Islam. He made an observation, that cannot be falsified. One could make the same claim visiting Spain, but we know that not to be the case due to more reliable sources of measurement than someone's personal experience.

False equivalence.

You are not an authority. You weren't there. Baladhuri was more closer to the action than you. I take his word over your feelings.

Since I'm done discussing this point about Qasim, can we please return to the original topic or would you rather end this discussion all together?

Given that you are unable to provide sources for your lofty claims, this conversation became sterile and unfruitful some time ago. I suggest you take your own advice.

 

[Fledgingwings]

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