LET NOT FORGET WESTERN SAHARA AND THE MOROCCAN OCCUPIER

[Ibn Batouta]

I find that you're very violent in your words, I'd moderator, I would punish you. You insult people, personalities, chief of state, a little respect would not hurt .
And the worst is that you say anything, you show photos and you made conclusions bla bla bla .

 

[al-Hasani]

Guys, what is the reason for two brotherly countries of a mainly Arab and Berber stock to fight with each other? I know that we people in the Arab, Middle Eastern, Muslim and dare I say world, often fight for mainly stupid reasons but what is it I am witnessing? Insults after insults. For what reason exactly?

Where does the hostility come from?

@Ceylal I like you although we don't always agree, mainly on the Syrian issue, but why all those silly posts and making fun of all those head of states, soldiers, countries etc.? Come one.

You would not like if one did the same with your president, past ones, generals, historical figures etc.

For example such as Sharif Abdelkader el-Djezairi that you know that I hold in very high esteem.

Better stop and have normal civil discussions without all those insults. For us outsiders, not entirely familiar with your internal affairs, it is interesting reading but it gets blurred by those unnecessary childish remarks.

Just a side comment. Take it into consideration or not, is up to you both.

 

[Ibn Batouta]

It's simple, hostility is that since we got our independence, a monarchy and a socialist Arab Republic are condemned to disagree, especially during the Cold War. So tensions have persisted since the time, "the Sand War" Algerians say that we attacked them, we say it's us. Then, the case of the Sahara with the polisario, Algeria's support ... short full of little things like this who create this disagree .

But in the world there are many examples like it, tensions between neighbors because everyone chooses sides during the Cold War... India and Pakistan / in south america there is a lot of case like this, and even KSA and Iran .
And to conclude , there is a saying that say "the Arabs/Muslims have made an agreement to never agree" Lol so true and sad in the same time Wallah .

 

[al-Hasani]

It's simple, hostility is that since we got our independence, a monarchy and a socialist Arab Republic are condemned to disagree, especially during the Cold War. So tensions have persisted since the time, "the Sand War" Algerians say that we attacked them, we say it's us. Then, the case of the Sahara with the polisario, Algeria's support ... short full of little things like this who create this disagree .

But in the world there are many examples like it, tensions between neighbors because everyone chooses sides during the Cold War... India and Pakistan / in south america there is a lot of case like this, and even KSA and Iran .
And to conclude , there is a saying that say "the Arabs/Muslims have made an agreement to never agree" Lol so true and sad in the same time Wallah .

Thanks for the explanation 7abibi. I get all of your points.

Yes, that sentence is very much correct. Unfortunately.

 

[Ibn Batouta]

Yes brother unfortunately ...
Just imagine with me if from Morocco to Iran, the Muslims were united as the westerners nowadays, Wallah we would have to dominate the world!
We have everything to dominate the world, natural resources, fertile land, brains, a civilization that has dazzled the world an era, the era when the world spoked Arabic ya akhi , our physicians, our mathematicians, our astrologers, writers, philosophers were examples and people have learned and have inspired from them .
Ibn Battouta the Muslim Christophe Colomb , Ibn Rochd the father of medicine and Ibn al Andaluss , Ibn Khaldoun and a lot of other ... We invented medicine, astronomy, astrology, mathematics ... and nowadays we are blow up into thousand pieces . It is very sad

 

[Ceylal]

I'am not speaking you of killing ismalistes or not I don't care, I'm talking you about the methods used by the Algerian DRS, several former senior officers in the Algerian army report those methods:

You are just like a bovine, chewing the cod...The Algerian DRS are blamed for a lot of things, the Mossad too

Who killed Boudiaf? Who is the man who threw a grenade under his seat, and subsequently was passed for a "crazy" men .

his killer is in jail..case closed

Former senior Algerian officers, refugees abroad, have asserted that Djamel Zitouni was a DRS agent. This same Zitouni, who was in prison, and was out of the prison and sent to slaughter women and children . Are they liers ??

None of the MOAL was a senior officer, or had a key position in our army organigram...All what you read come bearded islamists, written by Geze ( un de vos force de securite larbin , lavishly paid by the makhzen..If you were in the army, a sarge or a corporal don't know much...
Zitouni, was cornered and killed in Boufarik..In fact during the Mohamed Lamari years as a chief staff, the life of a terrorist chief, rarely pass the 5 month tresh hold

Bentalha massacre ( 400 victims in 3 hours Ya rab ! slaughtered coldish )

Sadly Bentalha happened...That's the fall out of Islam in the hand of zealots, helped by the Makhzen , the arab states, Iran and the west..

The algerian army is directly accused of organizing the massacre .

The army is blameless all that BS of "who kill who" was debunked..

Although I am not Algerian, when I see videos of these massacres, I want to cry , anu human in the world will be hurt by this . Algerian here in France who lived in Algeria during the civil war saw with their own eyes during massacres, military vehicles leave the premises or place where these massacres were commited , Wallah that I don't lie , Algerians told me this word by word. Not to mention the soldiers who disguised themselves as terrorists to attack civilians...

Stop the bullshiet! If you don't lie you must be freaking blind or illiterate! Everybody knows who was behind the massacres...
read the following , from Afriqueasie

Alors qu’elle faisait face au « péril vert » dans les années 1990, au milieu d’un océan d’indifférence arabe, africaine et internationale, l’Algérie a été la première à planter le premier clou dans le cercueil de l’islamisme politique. Elle a fait barrage à un processus électoral suicidaire, dont l’issue aurait été la destruction des institutions, l’asservissement de la société à un dogme religieux dévoyé et la dissolution programmée du pays dans un ensemble politico-administratif fantasmé : la oumma et le califat.

Il s’en est fallu de peu. En 1992, les dirigeants islamistes étaient assurés de la victoire électorale aux législatives qui les aurait propulsés au cœur du pouvoir, dont ils occupaient déjà les antichambres à travers leurs nouveaux élus aux municipales et leur proximité avec un nombre important de pontes du parti unique, le Front de libération nationale (FLN), que l’on désignait par le sobriquet imagé de « barbéfélènes ». Ils pouvaient compter sur le louvoiement du président Chadli Bendjedid, qui prônait « le respect du choix du peuple » et « donner une chance au Front islamique du salut (Fis) de constituer son gouvernement ». Il était sur la même longueur d’onde que le roi du Maroc Hassan II, qui, regrettant l’arrêt du processus électoral, affirmera abruptement : « Dommage que les autorités algériennes aient interdit le Fis, sinon c’était un laboratoire pour tester l’efficacité de l’islamisme. » Le Qatar était lui aussi de la partie, sur la même ligne que la France de François Mitterrand, alors que prospérait parmi les intellectuels français de la « gauche caviar » la théorie de la « régression féconde ». Celle qui, à quelques années d’intervalles, rappellera la théorie du « chaos créateur » des néoconservateurs américains, qui permit en 1991 et en 2003 la destruction de l’Irak.

Le scrutin par lequel l’horreur est arrivée n’avait pourtant pas la pureté de l’eau de roche. De l’aveu du premier ministre d’alors chargé de l’organiser, Sid Ahmed Ghozali, qui promettait des élections « transparentes et honnêtes », elles ne furent ni l’un ni l’autre.

To save you from being shamed from participants of this forum...I am not going to translate it

You have the nerve to lie and say that it is the Arab countries, Morocco etc.

Yes and I repeat that... Save Tunisia,Your country , Iran and the rest of the arab world, Syria's included were culprit and you were in deep. And you are doing the same to the Syrians after you disemboweled Lybia!

I find that you're very violent in your words, I'd moderator, I would punish you.

Violence beget violence...You started it...Now deal with the fact and truth...

You insult people, personalities, chief of state, a little respect would not hurt

I didn't insult anybody...I stated facts that the whole world know..There is no secret, that M6 is homosexual like most of the Arabs dignitaries, That the Makhzen instituted and informally legalized prostitution for the European smicar , to abuse your children. The last was pardoned by your king and left to Spain where he was imprisoned due to the fact he embarrassed the state he was serving...King of Jordan, is known to be , like his dad before him on the CIA payroll...Where did I lie...? And for moderators, I become very famous...Each one of them give me one time or another , a paid leave...To quit the Saudis, the Pakistanis, 3olaya the Jordanian queen and now I am dealing with a makhzeni drag queen...Eh Fatima, why don't you use your key board and argue, instead of acting like a virgin that has just lost her hymen.

This thread I created to show that forgotten part of Africa is in quest for independence from Morocco...I would like for you, to argue your country position , so other participants can understand the Sahrawi problem...
Don't bring Algeria's army or generals in the foray...They have nothing to do with the Polisario kicking your ***...Americans and French among others trained your troops, supplied you with equipments and Arab states finance it for you..We did the same with the Sahrawi, we trained them, we equipped them, we financed them, we gave them a voice in the world arena
and we won't stop until a referendum is taking place and a solution is found to their problem...So deal with it...I will be civil with you as long as you are civil...its your choice!

 

[Ceylal]

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Where does the hostility come from?

Where do you see hostility? I replied in kind to this makhzen zealot...He represents their cast not the Moroccan in generals

@Ceylal I like you although we don't always agree, mainly on the Syrian issue, but why all those silly posts and making fun of all those head of states, soldiers, countries etc.? Come one.

Why do all the khaleedji arabs have tendency to accuse a "reaction" instead of giving a dee look to the "action" that caused it?

You would not like if one did the same with your president, past ones, generals, historical figures etc.

For example such as Sharif Abdelkader el-Djezairi that you know that I hold in very high esteem.

Please give me a break..We are not khaleedji, we don't subscribe to the same mors, for us every individual is accountable for his actions...Emir abdelkader, is a hero for some but there is a remainder that doesn't hold him in high esteem...

For us outsiders, not entirely familiar with your internal affairs, it is interesting reading but it gets blurred by those unnecessary childish remarks.

Kind of agree with you but the childish remarks...Mine are facts! Western Sahara was never Moroccan, it is a colony!

It's simple, hostility is that since we got our independence, a monarchy and a socialist Arab Republic are condemned to disagree, especially during the Cold War. So tensions have persisted since the time, "the Sand War" Algerians say that we attacked them, we say it's us. Then, the case of the Sahara with the polisario, Algeria's support ... short full of little things like this who create this disagree .

instead of regurgitating the same cud, over and over, why don't you publish one freaking document that give Morocco, the right to that territory! I dare you!

 

[al-Hasani]

Where do you see hostility? I replied in kind to this makhzen zealot...He represents their cast not the Moroccan in generals


Why do all the khaleedji arabs have tendency to accuse a "reaction" instead of giving a dee look to the "action" that caused it?


Please give me a break..We are not khaleedji, we don't subscribe to the same mors, for us every individual is accountable for his actions...Emir abdelkader, is a hero for some but there is a remainder that doesn't hold him in high esteem...




Kind of agree with you but the childish remarks...Mine are facts! Western Sahara was never Moroccan, it is a colony!

Saudi Arabians are not Khaleeji my friend. We are not "Gulf Arabs" whatever that means. Only 200.000 people speak a Khaleeji dialect in Saudi Arabia and they live in the coastal regions of the Eastern Province of KSA and many happen to be Shia btw. Only real Khaleeji countries are Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and UAE although they differ from each other too.

Anyway we all live on the Arabian Peninsula.

It is like saying that Morocco and Algeria are the same. Or Libya and Egypt.

Every person is prone to criticism here. You know how much Arabs complain from across the Arab world.

It is just normal decency not to make insulting comments towards head of states out of respect. I mean you can criticize them etc. even call them names as long as it is done in a constructive manner.

One again I do not understand how two brotherly nations and people can fight for such issues instead of cooperating and moving forward. The past is the past. You can't change it but at most learn from it. The future is what matters. We are all stuck in the past, sadly.

I don't know enough of those subjects to say who is right. So I am not taking either side. Just reading the arguments.

Anyway have to go. Take care.

 

[Ibn Batouta]

In addition to not give strong arguments in your words and flee the answers when it deals with crimes of the Algerian military junta, a little example

his killer is in jail..case closed

You're like a rabid dog leaking forward , you say shit from beginning to end of your post, it is a fact , I suppose that you have a big complex this is really sad, every person who read you can notice this .

I didn't insult anybody...I stated facts that the whole world know..There is no secret, that M6 is homosexual like most of the Arabs dignitaries

Oh yeah homosexual . Wait a minute , I search extensively on the internet and I did not find the picture that show bouteflika family , strange , very strange ...

Maybe a pedophile

Oh boutef the widower his man is dead

So until proven , it is either a pedophile or a homosexual .

 

[Ceylal]

In addition to not give strong arguments in your words and flee the answers when it deals with crimes of the Algerian military junta, a little example[/qute]
Junta! they have a lot more respect that yours...Where ever they go, children are being raped..ask the congolese!

You're like a rabid dog leaking forward , you say shit from beginning to end of your post, it is a fact , I suppose that you have a big complex this is really sad, every person who read you can notice this .

Believe me called a dog coming from you, is a compliment! I know my dog live a lot better than your lot! Having complexe toward what? toward you? hardly, you don't make the cut! And if I need something, I can get it, because I can offered it!
Sad no! You yes! you are a sad human being with an atrophied brain..The only thing you have to do, is google...And you have all the answer..Just grow a pair and recognize your idiocies....

Our Military didn't bomb our town, didn't murder the people that she came from...Algerian army is made of her sons, they are not like yours who have only the interest of a pedale as their being!

Oh yeah homosexual . Wait a minute , I search extensively on the internet and I did not find the picture that show bouteflika family , strange , very strange ...

Even Arafat has a daughter...It doesn't mean crap!
Your King is homo! point barre!

Maybe a pedophile

Bouteflika is anything but a faggot, or a pedophile...I don't like particularly Bouteflika, but in that area he is clean as whistle...He likes woman, even though he is not married.
Pedophily is institued in Morocco as well as prostitution...Have you gave a thought why the GCC reneged on the GCC membership that you suppose to join? What don't you ask 3olaya the drag queen? or do you want me to tell you? ayah, I am going to spill the beans...ALL of them are afraid that their bloodline may get tainted with a Moroccan association...Just ask, the one that thank all day long your replies..Some of them , will tell you the truth...

Saudi Arabians are not Khaleeji my friend.

Thanks for the clarification...By using the word, Khaleedji , I meant the Arabic peninsula...

 

[al-Hasani]

Thanks for the clarification...By using the word, Khaleedji , I meant the Arabic peninsula...

Then the right word is Arabians = the Arab inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula who are very diverse, have many different cultures, sects, dialects, historical differences, differences in climate, landscapes etc. Not a homogenous group. Of course all of them are Arabs but that does not make them into a homogenous group.

Just like if you want to speak about a larger group of people, for example North Africans, whether of a Arab or Berber background or a mixed background (like many are if not most)r Sub-Saharan background then it is better to refer to North Africans than just Moroccans for example. In that way you also include the Algerians and Tunisians. Who are also far from homogenous depending on the area etc.

But of course in the wider picture, compared to for example non-Arabs or people not from the ancient Middle East, the differences are small. For example compared to South Africans, Papua New Guineans, Bengalis, Mongols or Icelandic people just to make a few examples.

 

[mahatir]

In addition to not give strong arguments in your words and flee the answers when it deals with crimes of the Algerian military junta, a little example



You're like a rabid dog leaking forward , you say shit from beginning to end of your post, it is a fact , I suppose that you have a big complex this is really sad, every person who read you can notice this .

Oh yeah homosexual . Wait a minute , I search extensively on the internet and I did not find the picture that show bouteflika family , strange , very strange ...

Maybe a pedophile

Oh boutef the widower his man is dead

So until proven , it is either a pedophile or a homosexual .

by the way Boutaflika was born in Morroco

Saudi Arabians are not Khaleeji my friend. We are not "Gulf Arabs" whatever that means. Only 200.000 people speak a Khaleeji dialect in Saudi Arabia and they live in the coastal regions of the Eastern Province of KSA and many happen to be Shia btw. Only real Khaleeji countries are Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and UAE although they differ from each other too.

Anyway we all live on the Arabian Peninsula.

It is like saying that Morocco and Algeria are the same. Or Libya and Egypt.

Every person is prone to criticism here. You know how much Arabs complain from across the Arab world.

It is just normal decency not to make insulting comments towards head of states out of respect. I mean you can criticize them etc. even call them names as long as it is done in a constructive manner.

One again I do not understand how two brotherly nations and people can fight for such issues instead of cooperating and moving forward. The past is the past. You can't change it but at most learn from it. The future is what matters. We are all stuck in the past, sadly.

I don't know enough of those subjects to say who is right. So I am not taking either side. Just reading the arguments.

Anyway have to go. Take care.

If Saudis are not khaleeji then what are they ? come on bro without Saudi we are nothing in gulf .

 

[al-Hasani]

by the way Boutaflika was born in Morroco



If Saudis are not khaleeji then what are they ? come on bro without Saudi we are nothing in gulf .

What you hear. We are simply not Khaleejis aside from the 200.000 Saudi Arabians who live in the coastal regions of the Eastern Provicne and many of them ironically happen to be Shias - although not the majority. We don't speak your dialects, we don't live in that area of the Arabian Peninsula etc. And when I say you, I am referring to Kuwait, UAE, Qatar and Bahrain. It does not matter that most of those people in that region have ancestral ties to Saudi Arabia. They still differ from Hijazis, Najdis etc.

We are Arabians. And when you digest that down then we are Hijazis who have more in common with Levantine, Yemeni, Egyptian and Sudanese people both in terms of history, geographic proximity, cuisine, dialect etc. Or Najdis, or Northerners or Southerners.

Yes, we consider our Muslim and Arabs in the Gulf to be our brothers. But that does not mean that we are Khaleejis. I for once am surely not and so are 90% of all Saudi Arabians.

But we are all Arabians though and Arabs. So that unites us.

 

[Ceylal]

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[Ibn Batouta]

Great music presenting the Hassani culture . Thanks men