@Desert Fox @I.R.A @Nilgiri
I won't debate any further. I am going to make one last post.
The fact is that most of these Quran only guys(which is a recent phenomenon) when they debate with any scholar, they stand there like a fool who doesn't know what he's talking about. Some are unable to describe the method of their prayers and others invent their own method of prayers like 3 cumpulsory+4 optional based on their own "spiritual guidance". Most of the time they are innovating something while accusing others of forming sects. Quran doesn't explain everything but, contrary to their claims, it provides a guiding principle. The explaination to those principles lie elsewhere.
The fact is that if you throw the hadith in the bin, you won't be able to perform ablution to say 2 rakat on the prayer mat. Heck you won't even know how many rakats to offer. You won't be able to decide what to recite in your prayers because the Quran only tells you to establish salat. It doesn't tell you how to perform salat. Sunnat does tell you that. Our ancestors passed it on based on hadith to this generation(With minor differences like hands above navel or below when offering salat, again ProphetSAW prayed with all these methods).
Quran tells you to perform Hajj, it doesn't tell you how to do it, there is no mention of sai, ramal, rajam , tawaf, in the Quran. Without the hadith, how are you going to perform Hajj? Invent your own way(Like giving example of Zorastrian or Christain Hajj)? Sorry, but if you take the hadith out, then there will be no evidence that what came to us from our father and forefathers was the way of the ProphetSAW.
I can go on and on and on because the Quran itself states that follow the Quran and the Prophet. Quran gave the basic guidelines like perform salat perform hajj, ProphetSAW showed his ummat how to do it, Sahaba learned from him and transferred it to next generations.
The very same methods of the Prophet SAW which were imitated by the Sahaba, the methods of ablution, ghussal, salat, hajj, zakat
were written by people like Bukhari in Hadith with evidence in the form of chain of narrators to back it up so that the methods might be preserved for the future generations till Qayamat and so that no innovator from the future might start raising objections on those methods. You call that a "persian forgery"? A Persian "dude" with an agenda? A misogynist with personal tastes who made those hadith up by himself? Brother, you might have rejected revelations from God himself when you say you reject these Persian forgeries and pure and simple Quran is enough.
In fact, the ProphetSAW had prophesized about a time when people will do such things. But you'll say the muhadith had made it up, anyway;
1- “Let me not find one of you reclining on his couch, when he hears something regarding me which I have commanded or forbidden and saying: We do not know. What we found in Allah’s Book we have followed.
2- “Soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch, narrating a hadeeth from me, and he will say, ‘Between us and you is the Book of Allaah: what it says is halaal, we take as halaal, and what it says is haraam, we take as haraam.’ But listen! Whatever the Messenger of Allaah forbids is like what Allaah forbids.”
3- “Would any of you think, reclining on his couch, that Allaah would only describe what is forbidden in the Qur’aan? I tell you, by Allaah, that I have warned and commanded and prohibited things that are as important as what is in the Qur’aan, if not more so.”
(Quran doesn't tell you whether a fox is halal or haram, how are you going to decide without hadith? subjective logic?)
If you are rejecting a mutawatir hadith then you are playing a dangerous game, as you might be rejecting a revelation from Allah. These things, methods and sayings were already being passed down to future generations in verbal form before Bukhari.
Now coming to the topic of fake hadith. Yes there are fake and weak hadith. But who are you to decide? What are your credentials? Did you ever read the Quran(not the translation)? Are you an expert on hadith which you are rejecting or did you study the hadith so as to paint all of them with the same brush and talk about scrapping them and "reverting" to the pure and simple message of Quran? Are you going to use your "logic" which is subjective in any case?
How did you come to the conclusion that the scholars didn't scrutinize the hadith? Is that why they declared certain ahadith as dai'f and others as sahih because they had an agenda? Is that why scholars declared that majority of hadith are weak(Not the ones we talk about which are Bukhari Muslim, or siha sitta)? Or because they had an agenda of sectarianism(your argument doesn't get any more ridiculous than that).
And no sir, you have got NO RIGHT TO INTERPRET THE QURAN. Only the ProphetSAW has the right to interpret the Quran not a Tom , dick , harry or a modern hippy Muslim. If the Quran is left open to interpretation and you throw the hadith in the bin then people will start marrying 4-year-olds because the Quran nowhere forbids you from doing so; the condition of puberty is in the hadith (which some people were talking about and talked about rejecting hadith at the same time).
The Quran gives you permission to beat your wife, are you gonna let that open to interpretation too? Don't use the argument of logic since logic is subjective. Beating might be interpreted as a light slap as well as a jaw-breaking punch. Do you want that chaos in the society where every joe interprets Quran by himself(like ISIS)? Only the hadith comes to the rescue when it interprets how lightly/strongly you can beat her, i.e with a miswak which won't even hurt a toddler. So your interpretation based on your subjective logic was wrong itself. There are countless other examples.
When you leave Quran open to interpretation without hadith or to at least someone who atleast knows Arabic, then you have gems like head-cover isn't cumpulsory for woman, again subjective logic you think hair as beauty other might not. (In any case the verse was very clear and no interpretation was required).
Ijtihad can only be practiced by a mujtahid. If you want to do something like rejecting the hadith(Hadith rejectors usually do a little more than making themselves look like fools in a debate) then learn Arabic and study Quran as it is in Arabic only. Study hadith which you are rejecting, study Islamic history and do that from every angle. You can't do ijtihad just like that.
yeh shirk kia hota hay?
