Lessons from Saudi Arabia

[SALMAN F]

The clown prince is trying to invent a new islam

 

[GumNaam]

That is what I am crying about
the abomination called Burka/Hijab is spreading like a disease
it is destroying our religion and culture
it is a conspiracy by the opponents of Islam against Islam, and against the culture of Muslim countries

Hold on right there. If a woman is wearing burka or hijab out of her own free will, who gives YOU or anyone the right to stop her. It becomes a problem when she is being forced to.

not really
it was made compulsory by some misogynist people through misinterpretation of the Glorious Quran

I agree with that. Okay this is near and dear to my heart so here's the deal...
Allah swt tells our Muslimahs to cover there chests with their head coverings.
Allah swt further tells us that some verses are clear and some are unclear.
Allah swt adds that those who are pious will say that both are from Allah while those who have evil in their hearts will concentrate and dwell upon the unclear verses.
Allah also tells us in the Quran that Allah has made what to do and what NOT to do very clear in the Quran.

So going BACK to the verse about covering the chest with head covering, we see that it is CLEAR that the chest MUST be covered. No ifs ands or buts about it. The vague part is the head covering BECAUSE two potentially different conclusions can be taken out of it:
1. The Muslims and the nonmuslim musrhik arabs of the time, be they male or female, covered there heads due to the harsh desert climate. Allah swt told the Muslim woman to cover her chest with her head covering THAT SHE WAS ALREADY WEARING (for obvious reasons).
2. That Allah swt is indirectly tellin the Muslim woman to cover her head as well as directly telling her to cover her chest.

Having said that, please recall what Allah swt says those who are pious accept both clear and unclear verses while those with evil in their hearts will constantly dwell upon the unclear. Since the part about covering the head is UNCLEAR, only those who have evil in their hearts would make an issue out of a woman NOT covering her head. While those who are pious would leave it up to the woman to decide whether she wants to cover her head or not BUT insist that the clear part of covering the chest INDEED be followed.

Any questions?

 

[El Sidd]

Saudi Arabia has a mid life crisis.

 

[Nilgiri]

Saudi Arabia has a mid life crisis.

Hahaha, every now and again you make me chuckle hard

 

[jamahir]

Religious person are less likely to involve any misdeeds compare to non religious people in our country.

In that case, the USSR and DPRK should have been the den of misdeeds and evil.

But do you know that in the USSR, murder was considered a capitalist crime, because why would someone in a socialist society commit murder??

Edit : How about mullahs raping boys in madrassas??

 

[Centaur]

If the Tableeghi Jamaat can cause the appearance of the Burqa in China, and make their presence in Russia, then they can do anything

What's wrong with the appearance of burqa ? If women can wear shorts , tops and other western cloths and if that can be considered as their freedom, then if women willingly wear burqa what's wrong with that? For identy face should be uncovered , but if someone want to wear that because of their own will, then, why does it bother others?

That is what I am crying about
the abomination called Burka/Hijab is spreading like a disease
it is destroying our religion and culture
it is a conspiracy by the opponents of Islam against Islam, and against the culture of Muslim countrie

What is the base of such claim?

 

[jamahir]

Bangladeshi people were always religious but never were extreme now more people are becoming religious then before due to influence of tablig jamat which is good sign.

The Tableeghi Jamaat is an evil cult which produces brainwashed terrorists who can be used by Western governments.

Hijab is compulsory.

Not even the Saudis believe that now.

but if someone want to wear that because of their own will, then, why does it bother others?

If the voluntary burqa wearers are allowed to wear burqas then over time those women who don't wear that accursed garment will become socially pressurized to wear burqa.

If the burqa supporters are allowed one inch, they will take a foot.

 

[Skies]

Our women are beautiful, our sari is elegant, and our jewellery, extraordinarily unique. Why are we hesitant to show off all that Allah has given us? Why have we started denying our natural right to be ourselves?

Seems he believes in Allah but not HIS decree! A moron author.

 

[MultaniGuy]

There's no compulsion in Islamic belief system.
It's the matter between the lady and her God.

Batman Sahib, you have it all wrong.

Even the Islamic scholars have said it themselves that a woman can only show the face, hands and the feet.

So the Hijab or covering of the head is compulsory.

I am not talking about Burqa or Abaya.

The Tableeghi Jamaat is an evil cult which produces brainwashed terrorists who can be used by Western governments.



Not even the Saudis believe that now.



If the voluntary burqa wearers are allowed to wear burqas then over time those women who don't wear that accursed garment will become socially pressurized to wear burqa.

If the burqa supporters are allowed one inch, they will take a foot.

Since when was Tableeghi Jamaat an evil cult?
Definitely not as evil as KKK or RSS or BJP party.

 

[El Sidd]

The Tableeghi Jamaat is an evil cult which produces brainwashed terrorists who can be used by Western governments.

Deen i Ilahists fatwa is here

 

[Centaur]

There's no compulsion in Islamic belief system.
It's the matter between the lady and her God.

There is no compulsion in Islam doesn't mean that you can disobey any Islamic laws and still can remain a good Muslim.
Surely no compulsion meaning no one can force you to follow Islam or its law.
But if you believe haram is halal then surely you will be an apostate instantly. Surely you can do haram ( not encouraging though ), if it's not shirk inshallah once merciful allah will forgive you if you regret and you won't be apostate . But if you do a haram considering it halal , surely this act will make you an apostate, because it will be counted as challenge to the law of Allah.

And the bold part ( your message) is far from the teaching of Islam, but it's the teaching of Christianity.
The matter between human and God is salvation by grace type idea.
Islam isn't like that, Islam has its specific and complete laws and in order to become good Muslim, and get salvation, a Muslim must follow the laws.
And also it's others duty to preach Islam peacefuly.
In order to remain a Muslim, personal choice other than Islamic laws are just meaningless.
Every laws are well written in Islam, and no one doesn't have the right to alter it.

 

[jamahir]

Since when was Tableeghi Jamaat an evil cult?
Definitely not as evil as KKK or RSS or BJP party.

I never said that the RSS or BJP are saints.

As for the TJ, some years ago they used to come to my house for what they called "Gasht pe niklana" and invite me to the mosque.

Oh man, the sweet-tongue words they used... But their words could not hide the brain-washing they had undergone and they brain-washing they in turn wanted to do to others.

By the way, most terrorist groups from among Muslims have some connection to the TJ - be this in South-east Asia or Russia or China or Africa or Europe or Central Asia.

Deen i Ilahists fatwa is here

So be it.

 

[El Sidd]

So be it.

Good we cleared it out

 

[GumNaam]

There is no compulsion in Islam doesn't mean that you can disobey any Islamic laws and still can remain a good Muslim.
Surely no compulsion meaning no one can force you to follow Islam or its law.
But if you believe haram is halal then surely you will be an apostate instantly. Surely you can do haram ( not encouraging though ), if it's not shirk inshallah once merciful allah will forgive you if you regret and you won't be apostate . But if you do a haram considering it halal , surely this act will make you an apostate, because it will be counted as challenge to the law of Allah.

And the bolder part is far from the teaching of Islam, but it's the teaching of Christianity.
The matter between human and God is salvation by grace type idea.
Islam isn't like that, Islam has its specific and complete laws and in order to become good Muslim, and get salvation, a Muslim must follow the laws.
And also it's others duty to preach Islam peacefuly.
In order to remain a Muslim, personal choice other than Islamic laws are just meaningless.
Every laws are well written in Islam, and no one doesn't have the right to alter it.

Read my explanation above.

 

[jamahir]

Good we cleared it out

However, the mujaddid for me for our times remains Muammar Gaddafi. This overrides any past innovation like 'Deen-e-Ilahi'.

This is my simple position.