@x-man
"So you are saying that administration is separate from operations and a good or a bad administration has no consequence on operations??".
I have never said such a thing. I only said, that some one does not need to be a fighter pilot, to know that his work is contributing towards good operations or not.
"I am sure that next time I ask my Admin or Accounts officer to brief me on Base Air defense plan ... ... ... "
Of course, an accounts officer will not know this. This is what the purpose of the discussion is, do not put wrong people at wrong places. If you are putting an account officer, where he is not fit, then it is absolutely wrong to say.
"There are million of operational requirements that are dealt and decided by DCAS( Admin)".
Operational requirements, that need administrative assistance, are generated from operational directorates. Admin directorates are supposed to fulfil them. Fulfilling those requirements does not need a background of fighter flying.
"In Kamra all the factories are lead and RUN by MDs who are all from the Engg branch ... I think we will keep running in circles and will not be able to decide ... "
It has been repeatedly said in this thread, that top administrative posts should not be limited to any specific branch. Of course, the top position of PAC should not be limited to pilots or engineering people, or any body. These posts should be given based on a solid criteria, which judges qualities like overall administrative abilities, instead of qualities like fighter flying.
"Yes I do agree that its been headed more times by a GD guy than an Engg…..But as PAC board can be chaired by either of branches and both have got their chances, so I don’t think that it should be really a matter of concern."
You right, as long as it does not become a rule that only pilots will reach the post.
"When CAE (college of Aeronautical Engg) shifted from Karachi to Risalpur , ever since then it has been tradition that Academy Under Officer is made alternately from GD and Engg branches. I witnessed the same while I was a cadet. As you are saying that now only GD guys are made AUO, well I don’t have a clue about that. And if you are right then I must say that it’s a gross injustice….Anyways I will check with any cadet or an instructor from there, if I happen to meet one.".
Kindly update your information. AUO has to be a pilot, as per current norm of the academy. This is injustice, as you have rightly said.
"You started with Admin branch, then PAC, then Base commander, then squadron pilots, then Heli / Tpt pilots , then cadets at academy and now you have started to question and doubts about the pilots who won medals during 65/ 71 war. Which area you are going to hit next??? Any clues ?? ".
Please remain true to the discussion. I think I have stated more than 10 times, that I do not doubt the sacrifices of our noble pilots. I honor their deeds. I am saying it once more, I would repeat it again if you are still not happy. The purpose of this thread has nothing to do with doubting the services of PAF pilots.
"A lot of officers from every branch get TBt, SBt etc each year for their performances during peace time…Now your question that why not in war, then what about squadron leader M. E. A. Bhuya , Squadron leader Aurangzeb Malik, Squadron leader Abdul A K Raja, Flight Lieutenant Sajjad A Khan, Corporal Ghulam Abbas, Corporal M Omar Ali, Corporal Sher Mohammad, Corporal Afzal Abbasi…..and I can go on and on with Non GD officers / men who were awarded for their valor in 65/71 wars for various reasons…..If you do not know anyone of them, it doesn’t mean that they weren’t honored".
You are part of the Air Force, you must know them. But, me as a civilian do not know any of them.
"Its a simple concept that why pilots win more medals?????? Because by very nature of airforce, it’s only the pilots who go and fight out there….Is it too difficult a thing to understand??? Unlike Army where officers and jawans from every arm fight together, in Airforce it’s only the pilots that fight. While numerous elements support the fighter operations, in the end it all comes down to the proficiency of man in cockpit and how he fights.".
I never asked why pilots win more medals. You have generated this question yourself, and then answered it yourself too.
But you are wrong in saying that in the end it comes down to the proficiency of the man in the cockpit. The proficiency of each person in the whole chain matters, till the end. What if a proficient pilot, using the best of his skills, locks on to an enemy aircraft, but the missile failes to fire, just because some technician did not install the missile rightly?
"While it is true that pilots do want to grab every opportunity here, but one must also see and acknowledge the kind of a culture prevailing in our country. How can pilots stay unaffected from the effects of general society? They are only humans and do get influenced by whatever is going around them. I hope and pray that someone will change things some day not only in airforce but in Pakistan as well….Until then we all will continue to blame each other".
Yes, infact this is the core of the problem. When the central government, and the core leadership of Pakistan will establish a culture of giving the right jobs to right people, rest of the country will follow suit.
"If you ask pilots, they also have million things to say against Engineers and other branches…Yesterday I thought about opening a thread about their issues as well but then refrained…..Its my Airforce and my home….And every home and every organization has issues…..But we don't discuss an in-house issue in front of the whole world and make tamaash of everything….".
Of course you are free to discuss or not discuss any issues, as you find suitable. But on the top of it, I think that we are one country. And Pakistan is our real home. So, any issue that relates to Pakistan should be in-house for us.
which I always enjoy because you know always do research before tangling with me 
