Launch of the First Australian Navy Hobart Class Air Warfare Destroyer

[Nike]

The Aussie situation is actually a lot different than the Zumwalt one IMO

Problem with the Hobart Class is, the Hobart Class and the Canberra class are a cut from the same cloths, think of this as money saving strategy for maybe 10 or 15 years on.

RAN (Royal Australian Navy) were offered US AB Class flight 2 for 1.5 bil and it get the same gadget the USN is having, and they offer us 3 ships for 5 bil IIRC. But the top brass designed to go after the Spanish design simply because we are having the same builder already establish base for the Canberra Class LHD and it will save the Navy a bunch of money for maintenance and parts and that's led to the ultimate decision of getting a Álvaro de Bazán class design.

But the Zumwalt is another thing, it's something the USN put too early in the drawing board, no doubt the zumwalt is going to be one heck of a cutting edge ship, but the question remain is, did the US actually need them?

If there are one thing I think is wrong about the whole zumwalt program, then it would the why they design such a ship the NAVY DOES NOT NEED in the first place?

It's much like we spend a bunch of money designing B-2 Spirit Bomber only to find out we can do the job better by saturating our enemy with B-1 and B-52. But by the time this started to surface, we already bought and pay for the whole R&D, then it will only be stupider if we don't build something out of it, as the building cost is always a lot smaller than the R&D cost. The same happens with the Zumwalts, we think we need a cutting edge ship only to find out the world is not up to it, but by then it's always too late, all 20 bil R&D cost has already been paid, we have no choice but making a few of those just to recover the cost, well, better that than write off the whole 20 bil R&D

i think, your Navy need the Zummwalt for whatever the cost it is will swallow them.... the cutting edge technology applied in Zummwalt actually can be served as testbed platform for another design, in which will save your Navy for another headache of research and funding programme. Zummwalt features, especially their integrated power distribution system is really a cutting edge and energy safer, and can perfectly be applied even to civilian ships (and maybe large aircraft) someday in future.

 

[jhungary]

i think, your Navy need the Zummwalt for whatever the cost it is will swallow them.... the cutting edge technology applied in Zummwalt actually can be served as testbed platform for another design, in which will save your Navy for another headache of research and funding programme. Zummwalt features, especially their integrated power distribution system is really a cutting edge and energy safer, and can perfectly be applied even to civilian ships (and maybe large aircraft) someday in future.

Well, the Zumwalt is like Ship's ****, its good to look at but too awkward to own.

The problem is, the Aussie have too little people (We have the same size of land than in US mainland and larger coast line but with only 1/15 of the American population) and too small an economy to design anything. If we were to bought the Zumwalt, even assume the American will sell, the sale will not bankrupt the Australian, but the R&D will.

What we need is number now, we are more than comfy to use other people tech, right now our Navy is a joke, with less than 23 major surface combat ship (And that is after we count our Armidale Class patrol boat...if not, just the 6 Frigates...) We need to beef up number first, then look at tech.

 

[Nike]

Well, the Zumwalt is like Ship's ****, its good to look at but too awkward to own.

The problem is, the Aussie have too little people (We have the same size of land than in US mainland and larger coast line but with only 1/15 of the American population) and too small an economy to design anything. If we were to bought the Zumwalt, even assume the American will sell, the sale will not bankrupt the Australian, but the R&D will.

What we need is number now, we are more than comfy to use other people tech, right now our Navy is a joke, with less than 23 major surface combat ship (And that is after we count our Armidale Class patrol boat...if not, just the 6 Frigates...) We need to beef up number first, then look at tech.

i am talking about Zummwalt assumes you as an American, not Australian, your Nationality made me confuse again J

 

[jhungary]

i am talking about Zummwalt assumes you as an American, not Australian, your Nationality made me confuse again J

lol.........yeah, I know, I also got confused sometime...

And yeah, the US should go for Zumwalt for what it worth, problem as far as I can see is 50-70% of the tech in or going to be in Zumwalt is not mature, yes, it have a lot of wiggle room to develop and no doubt the Zumwalt is going to be the future or what the Navy is going to be based on in the future, but the atmosphere now are quite ironic, the American (I will try to limit the use of we lol) now have zumwalt, which is already build but the world have no answer to it of yet and it was literally a class of its own. And simply because of that, the Navy are not quite willing to put money to stuff that we don't have a good use, yet.

For now, the US have ordered 3 Zumwalt class, and the 2nd is being built as we speak, we can safely assume those 3 will not be allocated into CBG and they are either be used on their own (But bear in mind a destroyer squadron have 5 to 6 destroyer) or be used as a test bed, and right now, it looks a lot like the latter case.

But in the end, the design is there, and the US Navy can always go back and order some more Zumwalts, it cost about a quarter more than building an AB Class anyway. But right now, I will have to agree with the US Navy, 3 is enough as the Navy does not have the need to build anymore than that number.

 

[Penguin]

Australia needs at least 12 of them.

 

[black-hawk_101]

They have to face Russian Chinese north Korean.

 

[Taygibay]

LOL Yes @black-hawk_101 but not alone … plus, there are a couple nations in between them?
And before you point out their huge coastline, I also trust attacks from the South are unlikely?

Have a great day mate, Tay.

 

[Penguin]

LOL Yes @black-hawk_101 but not alone … plus, there are a couple nations in between them?
And before you point out their huge coastline, I also trust attacks from the South are unlikely?

Have a great day mate, Tay.

Don't underestimate the Penguin threat.

 

[Taygibay]

^^^ Facepalm! Sorry, that was unusually naive of me!

 

[Indus Falcon]

lol the US military procurement logic is often compare to Chinese Buyer to foreign real estate market.

They are over enthusiastic buyer and willing to pay a lot of money first then ask question later...

I think this sums up this thread nicely!

 

[jhungary]

^^^ Facepalm! Sorry, that was unusually naive of me!

Well, that's will not be the first time the Aussie Military go up against animal.

We lost the first one with Emus

The Great Emu War - 1932 AD

 

[Indus Falcon]

Well, that's will not be the first time the Aussie Military go up against animal.

We lost the first one with Emus

The Great Emu War - 1932 AD

Oh this is hilarious

 

[jhungary]

I think this sums up this thread nicely!

lol

Oh this is hilarious

What even funnier is that it actually did happens......

This is a historical known fact that our army fought the Emus and lost, that's just plain sad..

 

[Taygibay]

Is there anywhere one can buy a patch from the 101st Airborne ( wink ) Emu Division?
I'd really like to sew one of those on apiece of clothing!

Tay.

 

[Penguin]

^^^ Facepalm! Sorry, that was unusually naive of me!

Just this once, I'll let it ...