Larkana: Hindu worship place set ablaze by miscreants over ‘alleged burning of holy pages

[Vinod2070]

I am not a religious Hindu at all but watching ours gods lying there beheaded is very disturbing to watch. Pity the guys who have to be there watch it happen to their gods.

And then they want to kill others for blasphemy!

 

[Sugarcane]

Totally fake news that Hindu can do this type of thing.. Hindu people can't burn Holy Quran . This is pre-planned to burn Hindu temple...

Kumar???

Welcome to forum

 

[Vinod2070]

It will be interesting to list all the Hindu temples destroyed in Pakistan since 2002 (Babri Masjid) and compare them to a similar destruction of mosques in India..

Mate, let's not get into comparisons at all here. Especially with a country like Pakistan.

They have destroyed non Muslim religions and have moved on to Muslim sects for decades now.

The Hindu community was ethnically cleaned right at the inception except for a tiny minority that has no rights or voice.

And any comparison to the Babri (which itself was a symbol of bigotry as it was built on a destroyed temple like thousands of others all over the world, many of them proudly proclaim it to this day within the premises) makes sense only to bigots for justification.

Anyway, we are glad we are rid of such bigots and feel sorry for the minorities that could not escape their bigotry in time.

Not necessarily a complete swap, but a swap is necessary if not inevitable.

Probably you are right. It was a massively missed opportunity at the time of partition to get rid of the problem once and for all.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Probably you are right. It was a massively missed opportunity at the time of partition to get rid of the problem once and for all.

True.
It does not apply to all though. But yes, many did not migrate because of property/anxiety etc. But then again as Bangladesh has successfully demonstrated, it is still possible. Though I don't recommend anything along those lines, I needed to point out that it is possible.

If compensation is worked out properly and borders are made more transparent (not unfenced), a substantial proportion of 'Indian' Muslims will leave India for Pakistan and Bangladesh, while all non Muslims from the two countries will flood into India.

 

[Vinod2070]

True.
It does not apply to all though. But yes, many did not migrate because of property/anxiety etc. But then again as Bangladesh has successfully demonstrated, it is still possible. Though I don't recommend anything along those lines, I needed to point out that it is possible.

If compensation is worked out properly and borders are made more transparent (not unfenced), a substantial proportion of 'Indian' Muslims will live India for Pakistan and Bangladesh, while all non Muslims from the two countries will flood into India.

While non Muslims may well come to India, I doubt many Muslims would want to leave India given the condition of the Islamic countries that were created from our Dharmic soil.

But I hope what you are saying really works out.

 

[M. Sarmad]

We will not let the actions of a few undermine our long standing commitment 2 religious harmony.


Holi in Larkana

 

[SarthakGanguly]

While non Muslims may well come to India, I doubt many Muslims would want to leave India given the condition of the Islamic countries that were created from our Dharmic soil.

But I hope what you are saying really works out.

They would. Just like thousands went to Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan to fight knowing the condition there. In spite of everything there is a feeling of belonging that is difficult to rationalize and only possible to accept.

 

[Vinod2070]

They would. Just like thousands went to Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan to fight knowing the condition there. In spite of everything there is a feeling of belonging that is difficult to rationalize and only possible to accept.

Mate, there is a difference between thousands of diehards and a general population of crores.

If a very large number of them didn't leave after partition despite causing and supporting it so recently (and then demanding that their "patriotism" should not be doubted within a matter of months), I am not sure the new generation will want to do that.

Anyway, it probably still is the best option. We have to leave the modalities to be worked out as they may.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Mate, there is a difference between thousands of diehards and a general population of crores.

If a very large number of them didn't leave after partition despite causing and supporting it so recently (and then demanding that their "patriotism" should not be doubted within a matter of months), I am not sure the new generation will want to do that.

Anyway, it probably still is the best option. We have to leave the modalities to be worked out as they may.

True, the comparison or rather analogy I brought about was immature. In any case, your premise is correct. An honest look into each case will be necessary. While I won't buy that being a Sunni is anti India, I won't deny that they exist and in substantial numbers to embarrass us greatly. Met many of both. Time will tell - a more practical environment needs to come in place first.

 

[queerbait]

this nation will never change....killing its own,this problem is chronic with muslims...they wont respect anyone but wants respect for them

 

[Levina]

Hope the extremist criminals are punished for this desecration.

I am beginning to think that there should have been a complete swap of Muslims and non Muslims between India and Pakistan when Pakistan was created. Peacefully of course.

And I thought that is how it happened....
Millions of hindus migrated from Pakistan to India during partition.

Btw were you under a ban???

 

[Vinod2070]

And I thought that is how it happened....
Millions of hindus migrated from Pakistan to India during partition.

Btw were you under a ban???

It was pretty much one sided. Almost an equal number of Muslims left India for West Pakistan as well but there was no ethnic cleansing of Muslims in India like it happened in especially West Pakistan where the Hindu Sikh population went down from more than 15% to less than 2-3% during partition.

In India it was mostly limited to the Punjab region and adjoining areas because of the massive influx of refugees and the tales they brought.

The rest of India didn't see much mass migration.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

It was pretty much one sided. Almost an equal number of Muslims left India for West Pakistan as well but there was no ethnic cleansing of Muslims in India like it happened in especially West Pakistan where the Hindu Sikh population went down from more than 15% to less than 2-3% during partition.

In India it was mostly limited to the Punjab region and adjoining areas because of the massive influx of refugees and the tales they brought.

The rest of India didn't see much mass migration.

Yes from India it was mostly Punjabis only who went.

 

[Levina]

I won't buy that being a Sunni is anti India

@Vinod2070 @SarthakGanguly @Indo-guy
I guess its not just the hindus who are suffering....I found something which I thought I'll share here

New Delhi: In Gilgit Baltistan, Pakistan's only Shia dominated province ethnic cleansing is being carried out systematically, away from media glare and international attention. Hundreds of Shia Muslims staged a protest in front of the Lahore Press Club on April 10th urging the media to pressurize the Pakistani government to stop the atrocities on its community in Gilgit Baltistan. On April 9th a rally was held in Kargil against targeted killings in GB and local leaders appealed to the Indian government to take up the issue with the international community.Gilgit Baltistan formerly known, as Northern Areas was once part of the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir, which India terms as Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. Maps in India still show Gilgit Baltistan or Northern Areas or Azad Kashmir as a region within Indian Territory. An Indian parliamentary resolution of 1994 states, "Pakistan must vacate the areas of the Indian State of Jammu and Kashmir, which they have occupied through aggression."

That resolution is gathering dust in some library because we are desperately hunting for confidence building measures with our nuclear neighbour, and in the seventeen years since that resolution was passed, most of India, even Kashmiris, are oblivious to the goings on in Gilgit Baltistan. Laying a claim on that part of Kashmir is not considered ''pragmatic'' or ''practical'', hence it doesn't figure in Indian official discourse. But that doesn't prevent Pakistan from meddling in the affairs of that part of Kashmir, which is in India's control.

The Indian foreign office makes no comments on what happens in Azad Kashmir, treating it, for all practical purposes, as an internal matter of Pakistan - though according to the Indian parliamentary document it is illegally in Pakistani control. The unanimously passed parliamentary resolution of 1994 also "expresses regret and concern at the pitiable conditions and violations of human rights and denial of democratic freedoms of the people in those areas of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, which are under illegal occupation of Pakistan."

Pakistan foreign office rarely comments on the affairs of Gilgit Baltistan, as officially GB's status is ambiguous. This impoverished area is governed under the Gilgit Baltistan Order of 2009, which doesn't give the people of this region the same rights as the rest of Pakistan.

Since the beginning of April scores of Shias are being killed ruthlessly. The estimates number from 40 to 400. The numbers cannot be verified as the area is out of bound for the media or foreigners. In attacks on some public transport vehicles, over 300 men were abducted and nobody has heard of them since. Their families are not hopeful of finding even their bodies. In Chilas male passengers were physically examined for telltale marks of self-flagellation (Shia) and then executed. In Nagar there are rumours of 30 being stoned to death.

Locals say that the Kohistan and Chilas incidents where cold-blooded mass murders took place were planned and supported by the Pakistani establishment, which is bent on terrorising the people and changing the demographics of GB.

Terror camps which were being run here openly with the active support of the Pakistani Army have bred hundreds of Sunni jihads of the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) who are running loose now all across Gilgit Baltistan, killing Shia Muslims. Interior Minister Rehman Malik tried to deny the sectarian nature of the conflict saying some "hidden forces are involved." But the Inspector General of Gilgit Baltistan, Hussain Asghar went on record to say, "I don't think there is any foreign hand involved in the sectarian riots."

Gilgitis have been voicing their concern for several years now that their region is under Taliban attack from the Waziristan region and being used as safe havens for jehadis, supported by the Salafi elements in the Pakistan Army.

At the 13th session of the UN Human Rights Council Abdul Hamid Khan of the Balwaristan National Front said, "Human rights abuses are widespread and common in Gilgit Baltistan for many decades but the absence of local media and independent judiciary have helped Islamabad to hide its illicit practices..."

Shias, Ismailis and moderate Sunnis are under threat in Gilgit Baltistan as ethnic cleansing is systematically being carried out by radical elements in Pakistani society. Due to the vital link to China through the Karakoram Highway, GB is a strategic asset for Pakistan. The demographic change it seeks to do there is with aim of bringing the region into its iron grip with total disregard to human rights and international law. (ANI)
Ethnic cleansing of Shia Muslims in Azad Kashmir

 

[Vinod2070]

@Vinod2070 @SarthakGanguly @Indo-guy
I guess its not just the hindus who are suffering....I found something which I thought I'll share here

New Delhi: In Gilgit Baltistan, Pakistan's only Shia dominated province ethnic cleansing is being carried out systematically, away from media glare and international attention. Hundreds of Shia Muslims staged a protest in front of the Lahore Press Club on April 10th urging the media to pressurize the Pakistani government to stop the atrocities on its community in Gilgit Baltistan. On April 9th a rally was held in Kargil against targeted killings in GB and local leaders appealed to the Indian government to take up the issue with the international community.Gilgit Baltistan formerly known, as Northern Areas was once part of the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir, which India terms as Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. Maps in India still show Gilgit Baltistan or Northern Areas or Azad Kashmir as a region within Indian Territory. An Indian parliamentary resolution of 1994 states, "Pakistan must vacate the areas of the Indian State of Jammu and Kashmir, which they have occupied through aggression."

That resolution is gathering dust in some library because we are desperately hunting for confidence building measures with our nuclear neighbour, and in the seventeen years since that resolution was passed, most of India, even Kashmiris, are oblivious to the goings on in Gilgit Baltistan. Laying a claim on that part of Kashmir is not considered ''pragmatic'' or ''practical'', hence it doesn't figure in Indian official discourse. But that doesn't prevent Pakistan from meddling in the affairs of that part of Kashmir, which is in India's control.

The Indian foreign office makes no comments on what happens in Azad Kashmir, treating it, for all practical purposes, as an internal matter of Pakistan - though according to the Indian parliamentary document it is illegally in Pakistani control. The unanimously passed parliamentary resolution of 1994 also "expresses regret and concern at the pitiable conditions and violations of human rights and denial of democratic freedoms of the people in those areas of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, which are under illegal occupation of Pakistan."

Pakistan foreign office rarely comments on the affairs of Gilgit Baltistan, as officially GB's status is ambiguous. This impoverished area is governed under the Gilgit Baltistan Order of 2009, which doesn't give the people of this region the same rights as the rest of Pakistan.

Since the beginning of April scores of Shias are being killed ruthlessly. The estimates number from 40 to 400. The numbers cannot be verified as the area is out of bound for the media or foreigners. In attacks on some public transport vehicles, over 300 men were abducted and nobody has heard of them since. Their families are not hopeful of finding even their bodies. In Chilas male passengers were physically examined for telltale marks of self-flagellation (Shia) and then executed. In Nagar there are rumours of 30 being stoned to death.

Locals say that the Kohistan and Chilas incidents where cold-blooded mass murders took place were planned and supported by the Pakistani establishment, which is bent on terrorising the people and changing the demographics of GB.

Terror camps which were being run here openly with the active support of the Pakistani Army have bred hundreds of Sunni jihads of the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) who are running loose now all across Gilgit Baltistan, killing Shia Muslims. Interior Minister Rehman Malik tried to deny the sectarian nature of the conflict saying some "hidden forces are involved." But the Inspector General of Gilgit Baltistan, Hussain Asghar went on record to say, "I don't think there is any foreign hand involved in the sectarian riots."

Gilgitis have been voicing their concern for several years now that their region is under Taliban attack from the Waziristan region and being used as safe havens for jehadis, supported by the Salafi elements in the Pakistan Army.

At the 13th session of the UN Human Rights Council Abdul Hamid Khan of the Balwaristan National Front said, "Human rights abuses are widespread and common in Gilgit Baltistan for many decades but the absence of local media and independent judiciary have helped Islamabad to hide its illicit practices..."

Shias, Ismailis and moderate Sunnis are under threat in Gilgit Baltistan as ethnic cleansing is systematically being carried out by radical elements in Pakistani society. Due to the vital link to China through the Karakoram Highway, GB is a strategic asset for Pakistan. The demographic change it seeks to do there is with aim of bringing the region into its iron grip with total disregard to human rights and international law. (ANI)
Ethnic cleansing of Shia Muslims in Azad Kashmir

You are right. I said the same thing as well.

They have destroyed non Muslim religions and have moved on to Muslim sects for decades now.