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Land seizures in China's Kashgar fuel anger among Uighurs

Plenty of Blacks and Hispanics held positions in the United States government, yet are you telling me their policies are completely fair to them?

Please reference the "policies" you mention so we can discuss....


It's painfully obvious that you've never bothered to study their criminal justice system for its systemic discrimination even today.

I wouldnt be bothered with my educational background if I were you....
Nothing you have said indicates your familiarity with Indian law and justice system....so dont get ahead of yourself

No racism on an organized scale, that's rich. Is that why you have over 100 individualistic insurgencies going on?

Again...I cannot speak to this unless you show me clear proof that systematic racism in Indian law has been the root cause of insurgencies....
 
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Do you imply that once Obama becomes the president, African Americans in US are privileged?

What an absurd logic.

Now you're drawing conclusions based on the limited logic available to you.....

My implication is that the system cannot be considered racist to minorities when minorities are able to climb to the most powerful positions in the system itself....which is exactly what Cardsharp was claiming ....that the Indian Govt. has racist policies...It does not!!!

On a side note, if you dont consider Affirmitive action a privilage, then what is? Does it not provide unequal opportunity/reservation to the African-American community? Of course this has nothing to do with a "black" president.....

American system ie. Law is not racist in anyway shape or form...If it were, I would expect to see OJ behind bars for a double caucasian homicide...

I stand bye my statement.....Racism is an individual charateristic....painting an entire society badly due to the actions of a few is unfair
 
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English is a foreign language to this man!

As to all Chinese.

That is why the burn and use words like "your English masters".

Or try Japanese with them. Japanese had kept them in their place!

I don't think the Japanese would be as much of a burn to the Chinese as Brits are to India. The prior occupied and raped 1/5 of China for 8 years while the latter enslaved and raped India for 2 centuries.

What would burn them more is stating that Taiwanese are not Chinese.

In any case, these islamic Xingjiang people aren't particularly bright. The Uyghurs like many other natives around the world reject modern education due to the youth's unwillingness to study and the parents' reservations to decouple their kids from the Quran and tradition. The result is a backward society stricken by poverty and fundamentalism. This relative poverty vis-a-vis local Han Chinese who are more educated and modernized is fanning discontent among locals who feel that they should be equally wealthy but in fact lack the equivalent credentials.

Nevertheless, with the recent and continuing influx of Han migration, Mandarin is being adopted more widely as local children are benefiting from schools erected during the ongoing infrastructure boom. The local populace as we speak is being heavily diluted and "Han ized" as per the mandate and goal of Beijing.

Our generation will unfortunately be the last to know of these people.
 
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I don't think the Japanese would be as much of a burn to the Chinese as Brits are to India. The prior occupied and raped 1/5 of China for 8 years while the latter enslaved and raped India for 2 centuries.

What would burn them more is stating that Taiwanese are not Chinese.

In any case, these islamic Xingjiang people aren't particularly bright. The Uyghurs like many other natives around the world reject modern education due to the youth's unwillingness to study and the parents' reservations to decouple their kids from the Quran and tradition. The result is a backward society stricken by poverty and fundamentalism. This relative poverty vis-a-vis local Han Chinese who are more educated and modernized is fanning discontent among locals who feel that they should be equally wealthy but in fact lack the equivalent credentials.

Nevertheless, with the recent and continuing influx of Han migration, Mandarin is being adopted more widely as local children are benefiting from schools erected during the ongoing infrastructure boom. The local populace as we speak is being heavily diluted and "Han ized" as per the mandate and goal of Beijing.

Our generation will unfortunately be the last to know of these people.

Show the pitiful victims some respect, would you feel comfortable when someone saying the same to your people!?

Take down your false flags!!! The real Canadian will "burn" you instead!!!
 
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Show the pitiful victims some respect, would you feel comfortable when someone saying the same to your people!?

Take down your false flags!!! The real Canadian will "burn" you instead!!!

How come ??you have 2 nick ??

btw: Say some thing bad to CHina, they're making many trouble to Uighurs now, dare you ??why you always blame VN when we're living peacefuly with Cambodian, but you dare not say some thing no good about CHina ??
 
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I don't think the Japanese would be as much of a burn to the Chinese as Brits are to India. The prior occupied and raped 1/5 of China for 8 years while the latter enslaved and raped India for 2 centuries.

What would burn them more is stating that Taiwanese are not Chinese.

In any case, these islamic Xingjiang people aren't particularly bright. The Uyghurs like many other natives around the world reject modern education due to the youth's unwillingness to study and the parents' reservations to decouple their kids from the Quran and tradition. The result is a backward society stricken by poverty and fundamentalism. This relative poverty vis-a-vis local Han Chinese who are more educated and modernized is fanning discontent among locals who feel that they should be equally wealthy but in fact lack the equivalent credentials.

Nevertheless, with the recent and continuing influx of Han migration, Mandarin is being adopted more widely as local children are benefiting from schools erected during the ongoing infrastructure boom. The local populace as we speak is being heavily diluted and "Han ized" as per the mandate and goal of Beijing.

Our generation will unfortunately be the last to know of these people.


That's gotta be a record for, long ban, return then immediate banning, but I guess there is always the other white trash on Northern alliance or storm-front forums to talk to. Those folks won't likely ban for stupidity.
 
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Land seizures in China's Kashgar fuel anger among Uighurs - Yahoo! News

KASHGAR, China (Reuters) - Uighur merchant Obul Kasim carries emotional scars from his confrontation with an unbending government after he failed to save his 100-year-old mud-brick home from demolition, a victim of the urban renewal marching across the historic Silk Road.

When he refused to leave his Kashgar home in the far western region of Xinjiang in 2004, police handcuffed him and took him to the local station. In 2005 and 2007, he travelled to Beijing to seek redress over what he saw as inadequate compensation, but was rounded up by provincial officials both times.

The issues are jarringly familiar.

Kasim's grievance is probably the most common complaint across China, but the issue takes on new ramifications in Xinjiang, where demolitions are linked by experts to attempts to eliminate the identity of Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim minority.

Uighurs make up one of the country's most discontented minorities, resentful of the ruling Chinese Communist Party and the country's majority Han Chinese.

"Everytime I think about my housing problem, I'm so angry I can't sit," said Kasim, his brown eyes flashing. "No department has listened to me. My father was so angry because of this, he passed away of a heart attack."

Kasim, who sells embroidered skullcaps near Kashgar's Id Kah mosque, China's largest, said he would return to Beijing to petition after the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, though he does not expect much.

The local government offered him compensation of 470 yuan ($73) per square meter for his 510 square meter (5,500 square foot) home. High-rise apartments are now worth 30,000 yuan per square meter.

"A very large source of discontent is land dispossession," Tom Cliff, a graduate student at the Australian National University who spent more than three years in Xinjiang, said in emailed comments.

"Many Uighurs see this as their land being taken away from them with inadequate compensation and no recourse to the law."

Gopuk Haji, a 97-year-old doctor of traditional medicine, said the government gave him a house of 80 square metres, even though his previous mud-brick home was 100 square metres. He dismissed as paltry compensation of 9,600 yuan.

"A real Communist Party must help the people," he said. "This Communist Party is fake. They are only using money to line their pockets."

Sporting a long, wispy white beard and flowing white shirt, Haji said China's former leaders Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai were good people. "Now the people are all bad. They are all corrupt. If you don't have money here, you don't have power."

SILK ROUTE

Demolitions proceed at a furious pace across the flat, parched region around Kashgar, designated as "a special economic zone" on the historic Silk Road trade route linking China and Europe.

Heaps of earth and bricks dot residential quarters, while workers lay foundations for drab, modern high-rise apartments. Men in skull caps whack a camel on a dusty street as skyscrapers loom in the distance.

The adobe homes with wooden doors in winding red-dirt lanes were once hailed as the best surviving example of Central Asian architecture.

Ignoring protests from preservationists, the government in 2008 razed most of Kashgar's old city, destroying 80 per cent of the mud-brick houses to build "earthquake-resistant housing."

Managing the Uighurs has been one of the Communist Party's biggest challenges. Tensions erupted into violent clashes between Han Chinese and Uighurs that killed nearly 200 people in the regional capital Urumqi in July 2009.

For Uighurs, Tibetans, and most recently, Inner Mongolians, greater prosperity has not quelled demands for greater autonomy.

"One of the lessons that we can take from Xinjiang is that the pursuit of sheer economic growth as a solution to social problems is not working," said Nicholas Bequelin, a China researcher for New-York-based Human Rights Watch.

Bequelin said that the rest of China may hope the government might change its policies, but "in the case of Xinjiang, Tibet and Inner Mongolia, they take to the streets to take a stand."

Mass demolitions in Kashgar's old city, he said, were "taken as evidence of the state's intent to erase and destroy Uighur identity and heritage."

Like 2009, this year has been jittery in Xinjiang, a region that accounts for a sixth of the country's land mass, holds deposits of oil and gas and is home to 8 million Uighurs.

MUTUAL DISTRUST

Many experts believe the roots of the violence in July's deadly attacks in Kashgar and the desert city of Hotan stem from a deep belief among Uighurs that they have been left behind as Han Chinese pour into Xinjiang and dominate opportunities.

Dru Gladney, an expert on Uighurs at Pomona College in California, said more unrest in Xinjiang was inevitable.

"Uighurs are clearly upset with the policies there," he said. "China thinks they can overrun the region with the Han and put in money for security services and that will ameliorate the problem. But it's not working."

On the first Friday of Ramadan prayers, soldiers carrying riot shields and rifles marched past the Id Kah mosque, while a paramilitary officer wearing a helmet and bullet-proof vest took videos of men streaming into the mosque with prayer mats.

Banners declared in Chinese: "Unity is a blessing, separatism is a scourge," and "The Han will never leave the minorities."

Mutual distrust persists.

"When they look at us, I know they have hatred in their hearts," said a Han Chinese taxi driver from southwestern Sichuan province.

The government has blamed the violence in Xinjiang on the separatist "East Turkestan Islamic Movement" (ETIM), designated as a terrorist organization by the United States in 2002.

Beijing says separatists work with al Qaeda or militants among other Turkic ethnic groups in ex-Soviet Central Asia over the border to seek an independent state called East Turkestan.

Uighurs doubt their claims.

"The ETIM doesn't have a big influence on Uighurs," said a 40-year-old imam, who declined to be identified. "Most people have heard about this separatist movement, but most of them don't know who they are or have seen their faces."

Staring at a poster of two Uighurs shot by police last week on suspicion of involvement in the attacks in Kashgar, Kasim, the Uighur merchant, said: "They are not terrorists. They had their own problems. If they couldn't solve them, then maybe they had no choice."

And asked whether Xinjiang should be independent, he said: "I'm afraid to give you an answer. Walls have ears. But if you are smart, you'll know what my answer is."

Things like this happen every where in the world ......

Three killed in India land protest
BBC News - Three killed in India land protest

Three people have been killed after the police fired on a group of protesting farmers on a highway in western India.

More than 20 policemen were injured in the clash which took place on the highway connecting the cities of Mumbai (Bombay) and Pune on Tuesday.

The farmers were protesting against the proposed diversion of water from a local dam to factories in the area.

The police said it fired after protesters turned violent and refused to lift the blockade.

Reports said that thousands of farmers had gathered on the busy highway to protest the planned "diversion of water" from the nearby Pavana dam to the industrial township of Pimpri-Chinchwad.

The farmers say there would be a scarcity of water for farming and drinking once the proposed pipeline cutting through farmlands is built to supply water to the factories.

They also fear that their land would be acquired by the government to build the pipeline.

The police said the protest became violent after a meeting of the protesters on the highway.

"After the meeting got over, they started hurling stones at policemen and damaging police van. We had decided not to use force but when the farmers got violent we had no option but to open fire," police officer Sandeep Karnik was quoted as saying by The Hindu newspaper.

The Pune demonstrations are in a series of protests in the country over attempts to acquire land for industry or infrastructure development.

In May two policemen and a farmer were killed in northern Uttar Pradesh state after protests against land acquisition by the government turned violent.

In August 2008 at least four farmers were been killed and 50 others - including policemen - injured in clashes in a suburb of the capital Delhi.

The farmers were demanding compensation for land brought by the government.

Correspondents say acquisition of land for the expansion of cities and industrialisation in India has become a very sensitive issue as about 65% of the population is dependent on farming.

According to law, government can requisition any private land for a "public purpose".
 
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