Land of the generals

[WAQAS119]

Blain, few people on this forum who have no idea about things, post as if they are expert on the topic they are posting about.

Really really true !!!!!!

 

[blain2]

Taimi,

Excellent point here "These organizations have not been a burden on the economy or the govt or the budget, rather it has helped in keeping people employed and contributing in the economic life cycle."

The reality is that these foundations are keeping the unemployment rate down. These foundations are in open purview of the public and politicians should they care to look at what they release each year.

For the unconvinced (not that this will convince them), here are the financials for Pakistan's largest ex-Serviceman's foundation:
Fauji Foundation

More detailed financials have been released to the National Assembly on a regular basis.

 

[Icarus]

Well living, rich ? Our military men ? Please, is this guy ignorant or just plain dumb ? Our military men are some of the most lowly paid people in Pakistan, with a Colonel in a peaceful station earning just over rs.40,000 per month, you have to be daft to believe they are living the "Good Life", yeah they get services like medical care and sports facilities but if that is enough to separate from all of Pakistan then I guess the rest of Pakistan must be living in the stone age. And just for the record, military men also have to endure load shedding.......

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Good for Pakistani economy , Now I like the Pak Army more

 

[TaimiKhan]

Taimi,

Excellent point here "These organizations have not been a burden on the economy or the govt or the budget, rather it has helped in keeping people employed and contributing in the economic life cycle."

The reality is that these foundations are keeping the unemployment rate down. These foundations are in open purview of the public and politicians should they care to look at what they release each year.

For the unconvinced (not that this will convince them), here are the financials for Pakistan's largest ex-Serviceman's foundation:
Fauji Foundation

More detailed financials have been released to the National Assembly on a regular basis.

Thanks Blain, the figures highlighted in the web page is more then enough to tell the story, net profit of around 372Mln$$ in 2007, while it paid Duties, Taxes and Levies of around 572Mln$$ in the same year, so just take a guess how much this one single organization i contributing to the economy, this 572Mln is not just alone, this is what tax the Foundation is paying, the income tax and other taxes generated by the individuals working in this Foundation would be alone one huge figure.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Armed Forces around the world can do such economic activity, as it generates employment for the civilians as well as for retired forces personnel. It promotes goodwill as well as it attracts people towards the armed force knowing that after retirement they won't be wasted, especially in this part of the world, where after retirement life becomes very tough as it is hard to get a decent job for an officer as well as for a soldiers, thus when people see this, they tend to go for other professions and not the armed forces, as everyone looks for security for themselves as well as their families.

I give my example, when my dad got retired, he was not even 50, i being the eldest of my siblings had not even completed by 2nd year, leave aside the younger siblings, and after my dad got retired, whatever pension he got, nearly half went into paying for the house which he had gotten after retirement and whatever half was left, majority went into expenses as for nearly more then a year he had no job as he was finding one, and it is no easy task, as a retired officer can't fit in any professional jobs, mostly they go into security related jobs or some management thing job.

Even after finding a job and having spend nearly 8 years in a govt run organization, my dad's salary is less compared to mine with just 3-4 years of banking experience.

This is the reality which majority of the officers go through after retirement.

 

[alibaz]

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Pakistan is the Land of the generals and there is no doubt to that. You guys are living in denial if you think the army is not controlling Pakistan even today. From getting huge pieces of land to getting a huge number of subsidies, the Army men enjoy a life unparalled in the world. The Fauji foundation and many other private enterprises are run by the generals and do not require to report to any regulatory body. The Army today is more of a private enterprise than a public one with most high level general also holding profit making positions at proxy organizations. Half of the international student here in Canada have parents in the army and they come here and live a lif a luxury I dont know how. As they say most countries have armies but in Pakistan the army has a country.

Mr Desi can you tell me how many serving persons are serving in Fauji Foundation, not a single, Over 90 % are civilian workers and profesionals may be 10% or less retired people. If at all you want a propaganda and you want that people tol buy it too then reduce percentage of army officers siblings residing in Canada as students. By the way you wont find molesters generals and prostitute soldiers in PA.

 

[RescueRanger]

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Mr Desi can you tell me how many serving persons are serving in Fauji Foundation, not a single, Over 90 % are civilian workers and profesionals may be 10% or less retired people. If at all you want a propaganda and you want that people tol buy it too then reduce percentage of army officers siblings residing in Canada as students. By the way you wont find molesters generals and prostitute soldiers in PA.

Let them think what they want, we don't need to do the PR for AWT and FF, the positive CSR of these enterprises is clearly evident throughout Pakistan.

If only one were to see.

 

[SQ8]

Speaks volumes of your disposition... No General ever stopped me from studying or persuing my personal aspirations or that of my tribe, i have been to Gujrat and i have been to Nath house and i know they treat their own people a lot worse than any General would treat a civillian.

By the way, accept it or not the civillian and military in Pakistan have a symbiotic relationship. However it is no secret that without the army's presence, this country would fall in a matter of hours.

Perhaps you never disagreed with a general when he was talking nonsense understood by the most common of men.
But my use of the Chaudhry example has been misread as "chaudrys" I meant all those of the influential clans, true they have their bad apples. But there are those from established clans whom I consider nothing less than fine examples of human beings. And this obsession of many by equating the general with the entire army I cannot understand, The Army as an institution begets the general.. not the other way round. Off course the Civillian and Military sectors of ANY country must have a symbiotic relationship, otherwise you will approach the Doom and gloom of the Zia era. And most countries with hostile neighbors cannot survive without an Army..will Israel? or Azerbaijan?

The parliament is an institution, the judiciary is an institution, The Military is an institution. So while the Parliament and Judiciary serve as the load bearing beams for the "structure" of Pakistan..its military are its walls...and with weakening beams.. A stained wall is inevitable.
However, as apparent from responses I am commonly misread as being anti-Army. Which is far from my "disposition". I am immensely proud of the jawan in the igloo in Siachen as I am with the Major stationed building roads in Wana. What infuriates me is the wastage of such lions.. by a few but frequently prominent lambs in the top tiers of the leadership of the Armed forces.

Moreover.. I rarely if ever idolize a politician, nor do I have any true loyalty or affection to a political party. But I do adore those men in uniform who stay awake at the post, fly a night CAP, or watch a sonar screen inside a hot submarine...And when their efforts seems wasted by men who were more interested in personal glory rather than national interest.. I have every right to question it..

 

[sparklingway]

Guys, stop replying to this thread or you'll force me to jump in and I bet the outcome will not be welcome to many people

 

[fatman17]

Guys, stop replying to this thread or you'll force me to jump in and I bet the outcome will not be welcome to many people

close it - has been discussed a gazillion times - whats there to defend!