lalgardh opration indian lal masjid?

[rubyjackass]

Since the area of combat is limited, can a blockade be useful here?
People with knowledge of maps plz help here.

 

[Jako]

The crpf and wbp are going in from four fronts......all way out are closed......the cobra force were the first one to go in,they didnt go thru roads,instead they took the jungle way....and instructed crpf jawans on their way in via wireless......the way out is the path from where police is going in ......the way from jhargram was cut by maoists,but that cdn't stop the cobra or the crpf......so no way out,the evils are gonna die a painfull death...hell yeah

 

[Jako]

On a second thought,some particular reports are saying that some top maoist leaders may flee to jharkhand...taking advantage of night,and their knowledge of the area

 

[Gabbar]

On the road to Lalgarh, troops taste red terror​

At the break of dawn, two air force helicopters lumbered through the sky, dropping what looked like shimmering pieces of confetti. The pilots were flying at a height safe from Maoists’ mortars. On the ground |

The shimmering pieces were leaflets urging villagers to help fight Maoists who are dug in, preparing for their first face-to-face battle with the state (contrary to their favourite hit-and-run guerrilla strikes).

A direct confrontation, however, is still a few hours away. The troops — a mix of West Bengal police, the Central Reserve Police Force and anti-naxalite force COBRA — are moving slowly, very slowly.
“The operation will take considerably more time as security forces are moving cautiously,” said home minister P. Chidambaram in Delhi.

“They are addressing people through loudspeakers and distributing handbills,” he added.

The forces covered just two kilometers on Friday morning. They were in Bhimpur at 9 am — around 17 km from Lalgarh. By the end of the day they were nine km short of their objective.

They came under fire at Bhimpur as they prepared to enter the dense Jhitka forest. The COBRA operatives went in first to sanitise it.

Just as they entered, word came that the Maoists had gone around behind them to cut off their retreat path — by laying landmines. When they fell back to check, they came under heavy fire from villages on the sides.

The gun battle continued for nearly an hour, after which the Maoists retreated. Women of the villages alerted the Maoists of advancing securitymen by high-pitched wailing sounds.

“We are trained to encounter the Maoists front on. But here we have to tackle the villagers,” said a CRPF jawan, “This is new to us.”

It was also new to the 50 journalists tagging the securityforces. They were caught in the crossfire, prevented, they thought, from taking the safe passage offered by the Maoists — through the mined fields.

But there was nothing new here for the Maoists. They seemed to be working to a plan. Koteshwar Rao, the second-in-command in the Maoist hierarchy, had warned on Thursday, “The forces don’t know what they are getting into.”

Seventeen kilometers away, the Lalgarh town, beyond which lies an area called the “liberated zone” by the Maoists, looked deserted. There were few people out on the streets, and shops were all closed.

“We are afraid of a major clash,” said Uttam Soren, a Class XI student, speaking to the HT correspondent from behind the boundary wall of his house. “Why is the government sending military to suppress peasants who want their own governance in their villages.”

Seven kilometers from the town, in Chota Pilia village, the Maoists discussed strategy and future course of action in a hut surrounded by close aides and security personnel.

And just a few meters away, in another hut, villagers huddled around a television set following news stories of their area, and the impending violence.

 

[third eye]

sorry to say this,but you know nothing bout the communism of bengal and how we work........now tell me,what can our govt. do when the main opposition and a main ally to the congress is supporting the maoists...the maoists themselves said ,mamata helped them in the past,and wd surely help them this time too................for the last time-'bengal is ,was and will reamain a communist state'..............ps-did you all see the cobra force in action today!?they were carrying mp-5s and all great weapons....

I do not have any intention of discussing national issues on a forum of another country. You could PM me & we can take it fwd.

What I meant is that the Commies have ruined a once prosperous state which was at the fore front of industry & development from '47 to the ' 70's.

No industry, no jobs, allowing BD nationals to cross - giving them ration & election cards to create a vote bank. Even the caddies in golf courses are BD boys form "Malda"- as they say.

In short a complete mess. Going to Kolkatta/ Siliguri is on business is dicey coz there is no telling when which union will call a strike & things come to a standstill.

If WB chooses to stay commie its no skin off my nose but the reason for maoists to thrive is poor development which all maoist affected states are responsible for. There is no shortage of money at national & state level- its only its implementation which is flawed.

 

[Nemesis]

Why is it that every line you wrote above is looking idiotic to me?

Maybe because common sense is running thin.

What do you mean violence is counter productive?

It means that using state violence will only enhance maoist support.

Do you mean police operation?

Yes. Do you know why this situation came about? After the attempted assasination of the West Bengal CM in this area, the police instead of blaming themselves for their ineptness, started targeting the villagers. Hence, a majority of the people in this so called "liberated zone" started supporting the naxals.

If so, there is nothing much we can do about it, can we

Well if we the electorate can't ask the GOI to stop extra judicial killings, then theirs no point in democracy is there?

To bring about development, first of all those scumbags need to be flushed out like insects.

They can't be "flushed" out.

I would go in steps. First, do a major police operation & kill 100 of them. Then declare a cease-fire & give them chance to surrender. I am sure many will. Then after some time, again a police operation. Again cease-fire. Continue till last scumbag naxal is either dead or has surrendered. Only after that can normalcy return.

You show your ineptness in understanding Naxalite insurgency and ideology. "Peaceful"Indian is it? Clearly your id is paradoxical.

You need a little education it would seem, Naxalites main aim is to bring in a proletariat dictatorship through revolution. How would this happen? Only through popular support. You start killing people i.e villagers who have taken arms against the state, instead of quelling the insurgency, it will incite more rebellions.

Instead of "killing all scumbags", the state needs to understand the reasons for rebellion - they range from underdevelopment, police oppression, feudal traditions that continue to oppress the landless - and take steps to eradicate it. When you take away the reasons for revolt, the maoists would be finished.

Are you kidding me? Their ideology remains unchanged. They wanted their 'liberty' back then. They want it now. May be their method has changed, but that doesn't mean their ideology in its purest form was very beneficial for India.

Their ideology has changed. In the 70s, naxalite was a student rebellion against state oppression, today the naxals are nothing more than oppressors themselves. I stand by what i said, the student revolt was perhaps the best thing to happen to modern India. The ruling class of the 50's, 60's and 70's seemed to have behaved in the same way the Brits did, they needed a reminder that WE the people would not stand for it. After all, as Thomas Jefferson once said - People shouldn't be afraid of governments, governments should be afraid of people.

Perhaps it is people like you who have made them as strong as they are today.

On the contrary, it is people like you who seem to think that naxals can be defeated through violence and who no doubt support heinous organizations like Salwa Judum who have made the naxals stronger.

Golden will be the day when that last communist disappears from Indian soil.

Actually, golden would be the day when organizations like the RSS/VHP/SIMI/ - all religious organizations are eradicated from our soil. Maybe then, we could stop fighting over archaic superstitions and maybe focus on what matters - making the lives of all our people better.

 

[Gabbar]

Security forces reach Lalgarh, partial victory, say police


Security forces on Saturday stormed Lalgarh and without much resistance reclaimed the police station under control of Maoists, who had cut off the area in West Midnapore district for eight months.

"It is a partial victory. The hundred per cent operation is yet to be completed. It may take days, even weeks to do this," DIG (Midnapore Range) Praveen Kumar told an impromptu press conference outside the Lalgarh police station.

An anti-landmine vehicle cleared the path for the security personnel who reached the police station to take charge of the building.

Central forces, comprising men from BSF and CRPF, fanned out in the forests for combing operations against the Maoists. The securitymen donning camouflage and bullet-proof vests sanitised the five-km stretch of Jhitka jungle, a Maoist area near Lalgarh.

AK-47 and Insas rifle-toting securitymen came under intermittent fire from Maoists at the Pingboni-Sarenga road on Saturday, Superintendent of Police Burdwan Humayan Kabir said adding two landmines planted on the road were defused.

Lalgarh police station was out of bounds since November last year when tribals under the banner of People's Committee Against Police Atrocities launched a boycott of police to protest raids on their homes following a landmine blast targeting Chief Minister Buddhadev Bhattacharjee's convoy.

 

[PeacefulIndian]

Do you know why this situation came about? After the attempted assasination of the West Bengal CM in this area, the police instead of blaming themselves for their ineptness, started targeting the villagers. Hence, a majority of the people in this so called "liberated zone" started supporting the naxals.

Actually this has been stated the other way round as well. Their leader, Bikash, had openly bragged about the assassination attempt & claimed that 'villagers demanded CM to be killed'. Police said that Naxals had a considerable support from villagers, so it was unavoidable for police to go after villagers in order to track down the masterminds.

I am no fan of WB government & its police. They did a pathetic job, may be tried to put all the blame on villagers when they were the ones who should have taken most of it. But that doesn't take away the fact that it was required to go after Naxals & their supporter villagers. Naxals just took this opportunity & started shouting about 'injustice' & 'police atrocities'.

Well if we the electorate can't ask the GOI to stop extra judicial killings, then theirs no point in democracy is there?

'Extra judicial killings'? Now where does that come from? So when Indian commandos gunned down 9 Mumbai attackers, was it extra judicial killing? Same applies here, regardless if they come from outside of the boundaries or inside.

You show your ineptness in understanding Naxalite insurgency and ideology. "Peaceful"Indian is it? Clearly your id is paradoxical.

You need a little education it would seem, Naxalites main aim is to bring in a proletariat dictatorship through revolution. How would this happen? Only through popular support. You start killing people i.e villagers who have taken arms against the state, instead of quelling the insurgency, it will incite more rebellions.

Don't try to educate me, I know enough in this matter. I don't mean everywhere the police should take arms & start killing who oppose them. Talk about this particular case. The government has repeatedly invited them to come & have discussion. They have been rejecting everything, implying that there is just no ideology involved here. Had they been genuine, they would have clearly listed their demands or at least shown a willingness to go forward. And there has been NONE.

Instead of "killing all scumbags", the state needs to understand the reasons for rebellion - they range from underdevelopment, police oppression, feudal traditions that continue to oppress the landless - and take steps to eradicate it. When you take away the reasons for revolt, the maoists would be finished.

India has 300 million people under poverty line. Should all take arms & become naxalites? And where did I say that don't do all of the above things? Of course it all boils down to poverty & lack of education. But we can't wait till that last naxal gets educated, can we? It will take another 25 more years at least. Shall we wait till that time & hope that naxals will diminish by themselves? so clearly, there are 2 strategies needed. Short term & long term. Long term is clearly economic development, better infra, education for all. Short term - Talk to them, if they do, then fine. If they don't, just kill them. And that is exactly what the govt is doing now, which is commendable. I don't know why are you whining over this so much.

Their ideology has changed. In the 70s, naxalite was a student rebellion against state oppression, today the naxals are nothing more than oppressors themselves. I stand by what i said, the student revolt was perhaps the best thing to happen to modern India. The ruling class of the 50's, 60's and 70's seemed to have behaved in the same way the Brits did, they needed a reminder that WE the people would not stand for it. After all, as Thomas Jefferson once said - People shouldn't be afraid of governments, governments should be afraid of people.

My knowledge says something else. But regardless, I am not too interested in discussing what happened 40 years ago. I rest my case with that respect.

On the contrary, it is people like you who seem to think that naxals can be defeated through violence and who no doubt support heinous organizations like Salwa Judum who have made the naxals stronger.

As I mentioned above, short term & long term strategies are needed. And use of force is absolutely essential as the last resort.

Actually, golden would be the day when organizations like the RSS/VHP/SIMI/ - all religious organizations are eradicated from our soil. Maybe then, we could stop fighting over archaic superstitions and maybe focus on what matters - making the lives of all our people better.

I am not fan of any of these. I will not lose my sleep if they get wiped out one day. But the communists have done may be an irrecoverable damage to this nation. Their 'grandeurs' in central government & their strategies of tacit support for naxals have made us pay a big, big price.

 

[Gabbar]

Security forces reach Lalgarh police station

PIRAKATA (WB): Pushing deeper into besieged Lalgarh, security forces today reached the police station in the area, which was cut off by Maoists for
months. ( Watch )

An anti-landmine vehicle cleared the path for the security personnel who reached the police station without much resistance to take charge of the building was locked from inside.

Central forces, comprising men from BSF and CRPF, fanned out in the forests for combing operations against the Maoists.

Blog: Kolkata's missing millionaires and Lalgarh

The securitymen in camouflage and bullet-proof vests sanitised the five-km stretch of Jhitka jungle, a Maoist area near Lalgarh in West Midnapore district.

Lalgarh police station was out of bounds since November last year when tribals under the banner of People's Committee Against Police Atrocities launched a boycott of police to protest raids on their homes following a landmine blast targeting Chief Minister Buddhadev Bhattacharjee's convoy.

AK-47 and Insas rifle-toting securitymen came under intermittent fire from Maoists at the Pingboni-Sarenga road today, Superintendent of Police Burdwan Humayan Kabir said. Two landmines planted on the road were defused, he said.

A bridge over a shallow river was blown up earlier by Maoists creating a temporary obstacle. However, the personnel could cross the stream on foot.

The operation to reclaim the Maoist areas was being carried out by personnel of CRPF, BSF, State Armed Police, Eastern Frontier Rifles and Kolkata Police, who were moving in armoured vehicles fitted with anti-landmine devices and mortars.

When the security forces were driving from Pingboni, they were obstructed by a number of women. The forces were moving cautiously for the last two days to avoid civilian casualties.

Firefights with the Maoists occurred at two places between Pirakata and Bhimpur and near Pingboni last night with the villagers fleeing to safety, police said.

As the operation entered a crucial phase, West Bengal Chief Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Union Home Minister P Chidamabaram in New Delhi and apprised them of the situation in Lalgarh.

In Lalgarh, DIG (Western Range) Praveen Kumar said all the central forces, including specialised anti-Naxal unit CoBRA (Combat Battalion for Resolute Action) and the CRPF, have been a "great help".

"We ask people not to be misguided by the Maoists. We know all their tactics now and have more surprises for them this time," he told reporters.

 

[Nemesis]

Lalgarh ke sholay

We are a non-violent people. We hate it when people resort to violence. In Lalgarh, the tribals have all along been very peaceful. True, the primary health centres in their villages didn’t have any medicines and doctors from the towns rarely visited them. So what’s new? Many people saw their sick loved ones die as they made the long trek to the district hospital from their villages over the dirt tracks that pass for roads. But there was no violence.

Finding drinking water in the summer has always been a problem in the villages. Ponds have had to be used for both drinking water and for bathing. Children have often suffered from diseases as a result. But the tribals of Lalgarh are used to their children dying early. They never complained.

Most villagers in the region are caught in a vicious poverty trap. Malnutrition is rife. Doctors from Kolkata who recently visited the place said that what the people needed was not pills but food. Nobel Laureate Amartya Sen once said that hunger was “a quiet violence”. He meant that if a state can’t feed its people it’s guilty of violence towards them. But he was just twisting words to suit his theory.

Indians are malnourished not just in Lalgarh, but all over the country. A recent Unicef report said that 405 million people in South Asia suffered from chronic hunger. India’s rank in the Global Hunger Index of 88 countries is 66, below several African countries. So there’s nothing special about Lalgarh. Also, in spite of being hungry, the people were peaceful. Being peaceful is the most important thing.

Every election, the Lalgarh tribals voted the Left to power in the hope that these self-proclaimed friends of the poor would help them. But in spite of the promises, nothing happened. The money from the anti-poverty programmes never reached them, the police occupied the buildings that were supposed to be clinics and the irrigation canals dried up. They watched in silence as the local party bosses built mansions and businesses for themselves and their cronies.

For more than 60 years after independence, they patiently waited for better times. And it’s not that the country wasn’t doing well. Some of them went to the grand city of Kolkata and came back with wondrous tales of shining malls and air-conditioning and taps that never ran dry. They were right to wait. For as we all know, it’s just a matter of time. Once the Sensex goes up enough and CEOs start earning several crores a year and India becomes a world power, then money will trickle down and reach places like Lalgarh. True, generations may be destroyed before that happens. But that is not violence.

Some things do seem to suggest, at first glance, a hint of brutality. Take the routine manner in which the police pick up tribals for questioning and then torture them. But that’s required for the police to conduct their investigations. How else will they protect the people from the Maoists? True, tribals in Lalgarh lived in constant terror of the police and of the party thugs. But that is not terrorism.

Of late, though, the people of Lalgarh have been behaving very oddly. They drove the police and the party bigwigs out of the area and torched their houses. They have started digging wells, setting up schools and running health clinics, without any help from the state. They have formed a Committee against Police Atrocities which wants electricity in their villages and roads and bridges to be built. Worse, they even want the politicians to apologise! Very strangely, after all these decades, they seem to be running out of patience.

What on earth is going on? Outsiders must be inciting them to violence. We are a peace-loving people and must stop this violence at once. Don’t worry, our tribal brothers, our troops are on their way to save you.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/Story...-894d-f27664b9479e&Headline=Lalgarh+ke+sholay

and people wonder why they are rebelling? Screw the CPI. They are communist only in name.

 

[Nemesis]

We will spread this fire, says the Maoist from Lalgarh

My name is Manoj. It's not the name my parents gave me, but all my comrades call me 'Manoj'. My father's name is Dhiren Murmu. I am his second son and I am 25. I was born at Bamundanga village in Salboni. I've lived most of my life in this hopeless village.

Our village falls under the Kansijora gram panchayat. The Left Front has been in power here for 30 years. Salboni has always been a CPM stronghold. But, in 30 years, neither the state government, nor the panchayat and Zilla Parishad took any interest at all in developing this area. We might have been living in the Stone Age.

hen it rains here, the dirt tracks turn muddy and we are forced to drag ourselves and our cattle through the muck. We are not able to ride our bicycles or use carts. We don't have clean drinking water. People are forced to drink ******, yellow water. After sunset, we live in the dark as there is no electricity here. No jobs either. During the paddy season, we work in the fields and then sit idle for the rest of the year. Because we are tribals, no one has bothered to do anything for us.

In 2002, we got tired of being treated like rodents. So, the villagers got together and demanded development in our area. This infuriated the local CPM bosses. The police and Marxists slapped false cases on us, accusing us of working for the People's War Group (PWG). They branded us Maoists. So we began to think we might as well join the Maoists.

Things turned nasty quickly. The former police superintendent of West Midnapore, K C Meena, lodged an FIR against the entire village. Nearly 90% of the men and teenage boys were charged with being Naxalite. We knew what was coming. We had to do something to save ourselves.

I was just 18 at the time. I was in class XII at the local school. But, I too joined in protests against the police. Within days, the police filed a case against me, my father and brother. They accused all of us of working for the PWG. We had nothing to do with the PWG. Our family has always supported the Congress party. In 1998, when Mamata Banerjee formed the Trinamool Congress (TMC), we switched loyalty to her.

One day, police jeeps rolled into our village, picked up people from their houses, bundled everyone into their vehicles and dumped all of us into the Midnapore jail. That was where I first met Maoist leader Sushil Roy. I found the Maoist ideology very appealing. Roy asked me to join the Maoists so that I could help the poor. I liked his ideas. Then I met two PWG leaders in prison. And I realized that neither Congress nor the TMC can stop the CPM's terror. I also realized that under CPM rule, we had lost the right to speak up. It was time to take a stand and speak up.

I joined the Maoists. They gave me a new name, a new identity and a new life. Now, I work for the Lalgarh movement. I joined this great surge of people last year. On November 5, the police arrived here looking for people who had blasted landmines at chief minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharya's convoy at Salboni. In Lalgarh, the police rounded up innocent tribal women and began to molest and torture them. One woman lost an eye. Others were badly injured. After this incident, we decided to join the Lalgarh movement. It was our party's decision. The Maoists always stand with the deprived. We joined them at Nandigram and Singur. Now, we have joined them in Lalgarh.

It's been easy for us to win the people's support. Most of them have been victims of torture by police. The people listened to us and joined the Peoples' Committee against Police Atrocities (PCPA). Opposition party workers have also supported us. Everybody is rebelling against the CPM cadre and police.

We know the government forces want to crush us. But, we plan to expand our area of influence. As soon as we are able to turn Lalgarh and Junglemahal (a forested area spanning three districts - Bankura, Purulia and West Midnapore) into a Maoist-dominated area, we will apply our ideology here. We will undertake development work for the poor. We will raise money through public donations. And nobody will pay tax to the government anymore.

After victory at Lalgarh, we will expand our fight to the tribal communities of Jharkhand, Bihar, Orissa and Chattisgarh. Our war has just begun.

We will spread this fire, says the Maoist from Lalgarh - Special Report - The Times of India

 

[Communist]

'Scared' Lalgarh cops using youths as shields - India - The Times of India


'Scared' Lalgarh cops using youths as shields

PIRAKATA: The message from Writers' Buildings to show a human face while dealing with the warring populace in Lalgarh apparently hasn't reached the force. Why else would a section of the state armed police (SAP) — terrified of IED explosions - catch hold of local youths and force them to poke around for hidden mines and explosives?

Acts like this will trigger more calls for vengeance and lead people to doubt the sincerity of the government's attempts to pacify the tribal villagers. It also exposes the lack of preparedness of the administration.

There are just two CID bomb disposal experts stationed at Lalgarh. A second team is kept in reserve in Midnapore town to be deployed in case of 'VIP movement'. A third is cooling its heels in Kolkata. There is not a single explosives expert with police forces anywhere else in the war zone.

Ever since Friday evening's blast at Kuldiha, in which the Domkal SDPO's vehicle was hit and three policemen were injured, police have been wary of such attacks. The moment they come across any culvert, many policemen are scared to cross, fearing that Maoists might have planted an IED.

Four blasts and half a dozen gunbattles have been reported ever since forces started their march to Lalgarh. Though no policeman has died, the guerrillas have scored a psychological victory — they have sown the seeds of fear and anxiety. It's this fear that has led some policemen, who are themselves not trained to detect explosives, to force local youth to do the dangerous job for them.

Eighteen-year-old Shambhu Ghosh, Madan Mahato (20) and Shakti Ghosh (23) from Dhangori village were among the unlucky locals. They have been on the run since last Thursday when security forces entered the village searching for Maoists.

On Sunday morning, they were having breakfast at a roadside eatery, close to the Pirakata camp, when a team of policemen surrounded them. One of them asked if they were from Dhangori village.

"When we said yes, they asked us where we had been hiding for the last three days? We didn't give any answer. One of the policeman grabbed us by our collars and threatened to arrest us of we didn't work for them," Shambhu said.

The two were taken to Pirakata camp and given three-foot-long S-shaped rods (possibly taken from a construction site). They're then told to scan for any suspicious object — say, an abandoned bag or a box — lying on the roadside and use the rod to poke around and see if it triggers an explosion.

 

[Communist]

Maoist posters on Santiniketan walls - India - The Times of India

Maoist posters on Santiniketan walls

SANTINIKETAN: Some handwritten Maoist posters, condemning the crackdown in Lalgarh, were found pasted on the walls of various departments of Visva-Bharati University in Santiniketan on Sunday.

This is for the first time such posters were found on the Visva-Bharati campus. According to police, the posters were pasted on the walls of Central Library, Siksha Bhavan, trees and water tanks on the campus of the university set up by Rabindranath Tagore.

District police did not give much importance to these posters. A senior officer of the district police said, "The posters do not indicate any active presence of Maoists in this area. However, we’ll investigate who has pasted these posters".

The posters, handwritten in red ink, condemned police action on tribals and operations against Maoists in Lalgarh. The cops have removed these posters.