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I have never given you any intention so i guess i wouldn't even ignore u!!!

Since u replied on my Post the only thing i could expect from ppl to be little more senseable.

Why PML N would be worried about imran khan who doesn't even have 1 seat.All imran does is open his loud mouth on talk shows!!!!N why do u think they name them (Talk Shows,)....

All PML N!! and the people of pakistan ask imran khan to stop trying to brain wash the young youth n little kids in high school by seating on National television..Imran khan is playing very dirty games in the name of politics with the people of pakistan !!!!!

Do i have to remind you who made nawaz PM in 1990? who gave funds to IGI in 1990 elections? i think in your book that is not supposed to be dirty game?
2ndly don't claim anything on behalf of people of pakistan because you do not represent the whole pakistani nation.
3dr do i have to remind you how many times nawaz and co have been in power and what they did? It starts from early 80's and he was CM for 3 yrs then twice PM. Do i have to tell you who was behind his success is politics and who gave him ministry?

now stop this nonsense. If you don't like PTI, don't vote for it.
 
Oopsss....



Nawaz League has changed the slogan of their rally...


they have changed it to Istehqam-e-Pakistan rather than Go Zardari Go.


so the question Chairperson Tehrik-e-Insaf asked seems quite valid, "what Nawaz group is rallying for exactly?"


come on guys, thats too immature, it simply shows that you guys arenot even clear what you are upto... show some political maturity. General Gilani the founder of Nawaz seems to have understood right when he said "his(Nawaz) upper portion is empty"
 
Do i have to remind you who made nawaz PM in 1990? who gave funds to IGI in 1990 elections? i think in your book that is not supposed to be dirty game?
2ndly don't claim anything on behalf of people of pakistan because you do not represent the whole pakistani nation.
3dr do i have to remind you how many times nawaz and co have been in power and what they did? It starts from early 80's and he was CM for 3 yrs then twice PM. Do i have to tell you who was behind his success is politics and who gave him ministry?

now stop this nonsense. If you don't like PTI, don't vote for it.

Of course i won't vote for Pti as i don't want pak to be put into more problems...You don't want to tell me anything as i m sure i am well aware n informed then you are!!!!

Why you acting like as if u r the only political historian in this country!!!My friend pakistan suffered more then half of his age in the hands of dictatorship!every leader in pakistan who had skills or didn't have skills to be politician was born in army nurseries it was mandatory for civilian political mind to have good relations with army n the establishment.PML N have decided to to change n to stop this 2 step forward n one step back game which establishment is playing with pakistan .

Imran khan is following the same foot steps which some of the leader followed in the past....while imran is lying about any connection with his links with establishment!!!!! N plz don't tell me imran khan never lies he lied all his life!
 
Of course i won't vote for Pti as i don't want pak to be put into more problems...You don't want to tell me anything as i m sure i am well aware n informed then you are!!!!

Why you acting like as if u r the only political historian in this country!!!My friend pakistan suffered more then half of his age in the hands of dictatorship!every leader in pakistan who had skills or didn't have skills to be politician was born in army nurseries it was mandatory for civilian political mind to have good relations with army n the establishment.PML N have decided to to change n to stop this 2 step forward n one step back game which establishment is playing with pakistan .

Imran khan is following the same foot steps which some of the leader followed in the past....while imran is lying about any connection with his links with establishment!!!!! N plz don't tell me imran khan never lies he lied all his life!

Imran Khan followng the same step of Nawaz Sharif right?
 
the votes on forums dont mean much if the real elections re not supervised by an independent observers and the polling booths are not protected by army men to save the voters from political thugs of the main political parties
please note that a vast majority is in rural areas that has to follow the direction of the select families who rule their lives.

PTI might have some success in the urban areas but these landlords that have perfected their art since they were rewarded for their help of the British Empire in 1857 will not let go their power that easy.
Having said that, there are still many people who would vote for PmLn and PPP and the floating political leaders no matter what. if you try to talk to these people and point out the present and past record of these parties then you are inviting their wrath and flood of insults in your honour.
 
please note that a vast majority is in rural areas that has to follow the direction of the select families who rule their lives.

I met a man, a driver for a sindhi landlord, he said he receives 1000 per month. I asked him why don't you leave him? He said that if he leaves him, he will kidnap or murder his relatives and then register a false FIR against him, and get him jailed.

So, he says he is his property for life, food, cloth, shelter, everything.

This is how voting goes as well, in the rural areas.
 
Nah!! not me but i know people who's life has been changed who didn't have much to do in their life's they end up getting it. n are still very happy with it!!it Provides shelter food and respect to their life after having it without having to pay much for Yellow Cab!!!!!

And even after all these years if the PML-N's economic wisdom ends at handing out more yellow cabs after you a sign bond to vote for them in then in the next elections, then what is left to say? If this is not economic bankruptcy, then what is ?
 
I met a man, a driver for a sindhi landlord, he said he receives 1000 per month. I asked him why don't you leave him? He said that if he leaves him, he will kidnap or murder his relatives and then register a false FIR against him, and get him jailed.

So, he says he is his property for life, food, cloth, shelter, everything.

This is how voting goes as well, in the rural areas.

Very right. This article is relevant to explain the ground realities.

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Imran asks PML-N to hold anti-Zardari meeting in Islamabad

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf Chairman Imran Khan on Tuesday proposed to PML-N to hold its planned public meeting in the federal capital on October 28 instead of Lahore if really it was against President Asif Ali Zardari.

During a talk with former MPA from PP-165 Jahanzeb Rao, who called on him here at his residence, Imran contended that the political event was in fact a gimmick and not a go- Zardari public meeting.

“Zardari and Nawaz Sharif are two sides of the same coin and they had pledged not to destabilise each other,” PTI chairman maintained. PML-N just could not launch ‘remove Zardari movement,’ he charged.

Imran welcomed Roa’s decision to join his party and said honest, patriotic and committed people were joining PTI that was a symbol of change in Pakistan.

“By bringing honest and patriotic people forward, PTI will do away with corruption and injustice,” Imran said and added after coming to power, his party would strengthen both the judiciary and the National Accountability Bureau.

Imran said PTI’s public meeting on October 30 in Lahore would determine whom Lahore belonged to: the King of Raiwind (a reference towards Nawaz Sharif) or people. On this occasion, Rao said Imran with impeccable character and sheer commitment would steer Pakistan out of the woods and put it on the road to prosperity.



Imran asks PML-N to hold anti-Zardari meeting in Islamabad

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I believe Lahore belongs to Imran Khan. Wasn't it Benazir Bhutto who called Imran Khan, "The Lion of Lahore", when they both were studying in Oxford University ;)
 
I willl vote for Musharraf &/or Imran Khan...
can someone tell me what PTI's stance on feudal system?
i means the only thing good in MQM is their stance against this system

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& imran khan should be more optimistic his always critisizing attitude sucks..
 
I willl vote for Musharraf &/or Imran Khan...
can someone tell me what PTI's stance on feudal system?
i means the only thing good in MQM is their stance against this system

---------- Post added at 11:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:40 AM ----------

& imran khan should be more optimistic his always critisizing attitude sucks..



I am with you and have same sentiments expect the very last line which I will come to later. You
might want to see this video where Gen Musharraf replies to Mubasher on who will support/ prefer and why

watch from 21:45 onwards, its a big deal where your opponent is willing to praise you and the credit goes to Imran for his impressive record since he stepped into public domain and I appreciate that Musharraf also didnt hesitate in giving the credit where it was due, I don’t want to put a bet on it but by looking at the traditional political leadership this example might be hard to find.


the question was as follows

Mobhasher: Jamat Islami and Therik Insaaf are both untried so who you would prefer.
Musharraf: well I will prefer Tehreek e Insaaf (refring to Imran ) he is honest and untested.

The back ground of untested comment is based on the argument from Musharraf that the current political lot are inept and corrupt and they will always come back whenever there are elections so a third option of untested and honest people is needed which military or technocrats cant provide as they are only a stop gap measure. Permanent solution is only through political means. To which Mubassher gave the names of Jamaat Islami and Tehrik Insaaf.
By the way I wont agree with calling Jamaat Islami as untested, they have been test very thoroughly from Gen Zia era they have been part of the Shura & senate and formed the part of the IJI government and then were part of the MMA and we saw how they gave the free hand to Sawati Taliban. so terming them as untested is haram and eligible for a strong fatwa.
This is why I think Musharaf have a bit of laugh to their name although he sould have said that they were part of IJI and MMA in Khaber. his stance on fuedal system is clear, he is against it of course. maybe PTI members can post some videos or extracts regarding that. but he is clearly against the industrialists and fuedal lords who use politics for their personal benifit at the expense of the people they claim to represent.

Now the last bit of your comment about Imran’s criticism being less impressive (rephrased). Well I will agree when Musharraf was in power and Imran just decided to be against anything Musharaf government did specially WoT, but with passage of time Imran has matured and is talking far better. One of his best deceisons was to refuse to participate in talk shows that included the 2nd and 3rd line of party leaderships of PMLn and PPP etc who are known to be insulting, degrading and getting personal. Imran said that he will participate if the party leader is in the program not with these idiots who don’t have any authority and lack manners. If you listen to him while he is talking to foreign media you will imagine he is the foreign minister representing Pakistan the best way that no one has done in the government so far.
Ok enough praise, my only objection is in his belief that the moment Americans leave and we stop WoT all our terror problems will disappear.
 
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Now the last bit of your comment about Imran’s criticism being less impressive (rephrased). Well I will agree when Musharraf was in power and Imran just decided to be against anything Musharaf government did specially WoT, but with passage of time Imran has matured and is talking far better. One of his best deceisons was to refuse to participate in talk shows that included the 2nd and 3rd line of party leaderships of PMLn and PPP etc who are known to be insulting, degrading and getting personal. Imran said that he will participate if the party leader is in the program not with these idiots who don’t have any authority and lack manners. If you listen to him while he is talking to foreign media you will imagine he is the foreign minister representing Pakistan the best way that no one has done in the government so far.
Ok enough praise, my only objection is in his belief that the moment Americans leave and we stop WoT all our terror problems will disappear.
In reference to the bolded part, don't you think that that strategy will be made by the army, regarding the war within Pakistan. This war is now very much our own problem now, at least a major chunk of it , so within the borders the army might be an inflence. Although I agree with him if he is saying that 'amreeka kay tatloo banna band kar dain ab'. He is right in saying that everything should not be done to fight the war on behalf of the US, rather it should be done on the interest of the nation.
 
I willl vote for Musharraf &/or Imran Khan...
can someone tell me what PTI's stance on feudal system?
i means the only thing good in MQM is their stance against this system

---------- Post added at 11:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:40 AM ----------

& imran khan should be more optimistic his always critisizing attitude sucks..


Land Reforms


The PTI is committed to introduce following land reforms:

• Monitor the ownership and use of distributed state land and ensure credit and agriculture support services to farmers;

• Computerize land records

• Initiate separate monitoring mechanisms to monitor the settlement of land ceiling disputes and to improve the timely settlement of cases and enforcement of verdicts; and

• Expedite distribution of cultivable state land among landless farmers.


from manifesto http://www.insaf.pk/docs/PTImanifesto.pdf

as you pointed out a complete land reforms especially in Interior Sindh and Southern Pubjab is needed to remove these local lords and their unauthorized illegal rule over people...

I hope they clearly incorporate removal of feudal system as well.
 

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