Lahore Mob Terrorism: Couple Killed over Blasphemy alligation

[acid rain]

you can not ... the thing that 1973 constitution back this law if i am not wrong ...
removing the law is not the solution ... peoples can get hanged for false accusation of murder ? remember ZA bhutto ?
so its not the law but the mindset of peoples which has to be changed .. if we have one good and educated islamic scholar alive in Pakistan he should come up and speak up .. even if some has the charge of Blashpemy on him/her . let the state investigate and give him/her punishment ... ( and the punishment should not be more than Imprisonment ) death penalties for Blasphemy is to much in today world with peoples minds are so corrupt .. as we see in Pakistan this law is been misuse against minorities .. but again removing law will not change anything but making things worse ..



the problem with the peoples is every tom dick and harry is self proclaimed mullah these days .. you read 50 books writing by some bunch of mullah and write your own book , and than you are eligible for giving fatwa's ...
peoples in Pakistan are so uneducated that they are not able to understand the Fact that we muslim have Quran , go and read it ..... there are translation available .. there are two authenticated Hadith books where you can find solutions for most of cases .. but no , instead of that they prefer to go on " muhallay ka mulla " .. who today is more powerful than a mayor or CM ..
the only way to treat such peoples is what mushi did in Lal masjid ... they like to use force against peoples .. so lets talk to them in the language they understand ...

Mushy got away because he was the supreme at that time..even then there were fatwas against him and is a target for 90% of the extremists operating in Pakistan for op. Lal masjid. Will ordinary folks or even a local leader get his degree of security if one dares to stand up?. Many journalists and leaders have been targeted eg. Salman tasir - now who will dare do that at the risk of hid life? .

You need a strong leader first...but then what's the guarantee that he will be successful? or that the army will do his bidding? .

 

[rockstar08]

1973 constitution is not Quran which can't be changed. ZA Bhutto was not killed by mob.

The law is unjust to begin with and doesn't conform with even basic principles of Islam. Your good and educated Islamic scholars like Ghamidi are living in exile and blood thirsty baboons are running the show.

i know ZA was not killed by mob , but his hanging was a misuse of a certain law right ??????
and yeah 73 constitution can be change , but who will do ???
religious Parties will make chaos in Country for that ... every know that mullah are preaching the extreme islam but who dare to step in ???
when was the last time i see any terrorist hanging with the rope on Street ???
i wont judge any good or bad scholar because i dont like any scholar to be honest ... i have my Quran and hadith books , i do what i think its right .. and rest , its between me and my Allah , if i dont offer Namaz , Allah will not ask my Masjid imam that why this guy dont offer namaz ...
being a good Human is replica of being a good muslim ... this is what our people is failed to understand ..

Mushy got away because he was the supreme at that time..even then there were fatwas against him and is a target for 90% of the extremists operating in Pakistan for op. Lal masjid. Will ordinary folks or even a local leader get his degree of security if one dares to stand up?. Many journalists and leaders have been targeted eg. Salman tasir - now who will dare do that at the risk of hid life? .

You need a strong leader first...but then what's the guarantee that he will be successful? or that the army will do his bidding? .

yeah mushi was the target .. but that is the lame argument given by taliban that they start Suicide attack after lal masjid operation .. its on record that during lal masjid operation the wife of Adul rasheed openly threaten media and govt to back off or they will send kids with suicide jackets .. isnt it strange that our media never bring that up ????
have you not see our channels ? these idiots even during the operation giving live telecast on TV and openly showing the position of our Police or Army ?
look at our political parties , its being well established fact that PML N has ties with Banned organizations .... rest ANP let those terrorist who run from FATA come to karachi , not just that they even facilitate them ... and than the same terrorist Rape ANP in karachi ..
JI and JUI is openly supporting Taliban, even JI hide taliban fighter in their homes ... everyone knows ...
but problem is that our Awaam has support for them , even if army take action against them , which is not their work.. the peoples and our media start barking on Army ..
than the police is so feared of these talibans along with judges that they dont even dared to openly make any statements ... look what happen to Shaheed Ch aslam ...
a leader backed by army , but the leader must first bring peoples out of this nationalism ... restart the death penalties .... if you keep those animals in jail , it wont end .. they have all facilities in jail including phones to co ordinate any attack they plan ..

 

[acid rain]

a leader backed by army , but the leader must first bring peoples out of this nationalism ... restart the death penalties .... if you keep those animals in jail , it wont end .. they have all facilities in jail including phones to co ordinate any attack they plan ..

I think most of your awaam favor the army more than mullahs or political leaders. So there's a plus right there. The solution lies in PA taking off the gloves and going hammer and tongs against each and every group and it's supporting infrastructure.

 

[Sugarcane]

i know ZA was not killed by mob , but his hanging was a misuse of a certain law right ??????

You can't equate questionable trial with giving excuse to rabid mob for killing.

and yeah 73 constitution can be change , but who will do ???
religious Parties will make chaos in Country for that ... every know that mullah are preaching the extreme islam but who dare to step in ???

Mullah party was against formation of this country as well, why you didn't listen to them at that time?

when was the last time i see any terrorist hanging with the rope on Street ???
i wont judge any good or bad scholar because i dont like any scholar to be honest ... i have my Quran and hadith books , i do what i think its right .. and rest , its between me and my Allah , if i dont offer Namaz , Allah will not ask my Masjid imam that why this guy dont offer namaz ...
being a good Human is replica of being a good muslim ... this is what our people is failed to understand ..

You are free to do what you think right Unless it doesn't undermine rights of others, and yeah it's between you and your God, why state should act on behalf of God.

 

[rockstar08]

I think most of your awaam favor the army more than mullahs or political leaders. So there's a plus right there. The solution lies in PA taking off the gloves and going hammer and tongs against each and every group and it's supporting infrastructure.

I personally like this idea .. but thing is that these politcial and religious parties have a lot public support .. army is in no position to loose any public support at least for now .... because we are in middle of a war ... the only way to win this war , that we need public on army side .. but still lots of peoples hate army ... and guess what ? religion factor. . .. most of those mullah supporters dont even know about advance tech , missiles and Fighter planes , and they talk like " oh why Pakistan didnt go to war with US, or why dont we fight the Israel to safe Palestine ? who will make them understand that none of Pakistani missile is able to reach Israel or USA .... they can anytime Destroy us with just -2-3 buttons ... but guess what ... they still believe that we will shout " Allah Ho Akbar " and American Surrender ..... and hand up and drop their weapons in front of Pakistan Army ... and than we will be a one happy family .....

You can't equate questionable trial with giving excuse to rabid mob for killing.



Mullah party was against formation of this country as well, why you didn't listen to them at that time?



You are free to do what you think right Unless it doesn't undermine rights of others, and yeah it's between you and your God, why state should act on behalf of God.

common ..... you know that how the establishment twist the murder case on bhutto ??
it was just a misuse of a law .. if ZA was rightly hanged so why Zardari , Nawaz , Altaf and so many terrorist are still alive .. !?

sir even pathan were against creation of Pakistan .. what is your point ??
those who listen to mullah are just those lazy peoples who think that mullah IQ level is equal to Enistine when it comes to religion .. but they never dare to touch , open and read the Quran , just like Evil runs from Quran they run like it ... why going after mulla for their problems instead of solving it by themselves ???

my free will is based on my religious teaching , just as i am free, others are free tooo... i dont see a person as a muslim or hindu .. but as a human ... world is not just about muslim .. but its about humanity .. islam is 200% based on serving humanity not just muslims ... but their ideology was lost long ago ... not my problem
i have my faith and i keep it ... and i am proud of it ..

 

[acid rain]

I personally like this idea .. but thing is that these politcial and religious parties have a lot public support .. army is in no position to loose any public support at least for now .... because we are in middle of a war ... the only way to win this war , that we need public on army side .. but still lots of peoples hate army ... and guess what ? religion factor. . .. most of those mullah supporters dont even know about advance tech , missiles and Fighter planes , and they talk like " oh why Pakistan didnt go to war with US, or why dont we fight the Israel to safe Palestine ? who will make them understand that none of Pakistani missile is able to reach Israel or USA .... they can anytime Destroy us with just -2-3 buttons ... but guess what ... they still believe that we will shout " Allah Ho Akbar " and American Surrender ..... and hand up and drop their weapons in front of Pakistan Army ... and than we will be a one happy family .....

Why should the army bother about the jaahil section of the awaam? There are plenty more who wish for peace and an end to this jaahiliath. They are worth saving then the jaahils who too will fall in line when their mullah gurus get busted.

 

[rockstar08]

Why should the army bother about the jaahil section of the awaam? There are plenty more who wish for peace and an end to this jaahiliath. They are worth saving then the jaahils who too will fall in line when their mullah gurus get busted.

because unfortunately 80% of Pakistani awaam is jahil

 

[Sugarcane]

common ..... you know that how the establishment twist the murder case on bhutto ??
it was just a misuse of a law .. if ZA was rightly hanged so why Zardari , Nawaz , Altaf and so many terrorist are still alive .. !?

I already said "questionable trial" and those people are not still hanged because you have constitution which protect elite and mullahs and centuries old penal code with hell of loopholes

sir even pathan were against creation of Pakistan .. what is your point ??

Point was simple - when you didn't listen mullah party and went ahead with creation of Pakistan, do it again and go ahead with reforms without caring about mullah party.

 

[rockstar08]

I already said "questionable trial" and those people are not still hanged because you have constitution which protect elite and mullahs and centuries old penal code with hell of loopholes



Point was simple - when you didn't listen mullah party and went ahead with creation of Pakistan, do it again and go ahead with reforms without caring about mullah party.

bhai mullah parties are enjoying , millions of peoples support ... right now we are already fighting war in terror , you want our public to come on streets with ak's and Dande and start a civil war ?!

 

[acid rain]

because unfortunately 80% of Pakistani awaam is jahil

20% is a good enough number to save.

 

[rockstar08]

20% is a good enough number to save.

well these amongst these 20% ... 10 Percent are elite class and rest are enjoying dual nationality

 

[acid rain]

well these amongst these 20% ... 10 Percent are elite class and rest are enjoying dual nationality

You have a 10% elite class? Nah - more like 1%.

 

[rockstar08]

You have a 10% elite class? Nah - more like 1%.

well i put upper middle class into elite .. cause they dont care if petrol price rise or low .. so they dont give a damn about country , nor will come out for a change ..

 

[pak-marine]

i do believe because look at the blasphemy cases reports in few years ... have you heard any muslim using bad language for Hazrat Esa pbuh ?? or burn bible ???
what is wrong with these Christians ??

You hear Muslims swearing every day at Hindu gods or other religions they don't believe in and they don't get killed or get their arses kicked in most of the countries In fact when done so they cry for rights and freedom of speech .. And most importantly Christians in Pakistan are treated like shit they clean gutters and sewage lines except the Goan Christians who are educated enough to stay out of these kichaars

 

[acid rain]

well i put upper middle class into elite .. cause they dont care if petrol price rise or low .. so they dont give a damn about country , nor will come out for a change ..

Upper middle class doesn't become elite class. The middle class is worth saving because they are ones that fuel your economy and growth and are the productive segment.