Lahore 'attackers identified'

[Torpedo]

Reasons for which Pakistani members believe that RAW is involved in the attack-

1. India is Pakistan's enemy.

2. India has intelligence agency namely RAW.

3. India is responsible for 1971 partition.

4. BCCI has 80% share in cricket wealth. By doing this, it will become 85%.

5. India guessed it right about security of cricket team in Pakistan.

6. India had 26/11.

7. Hindu extremists said "we are making suicide bombers".

8. Terrorists in Lahore incident ran away in few minutes and Indians are coward.

9. Zaid Hamid says so.

10. Pakistani youth prefers Urdu over Punjabi.

11. Pakistani government is corrupt.

12. India blames Pakistan for Mumbai massacre.

13. Indian media is immature.

14. Salman Taseer has Sikh wife and 'Sikh son' from her.

15. US investigators keep coming to Pakistan.

16. India supports LTTE.

17. India demanded that Pakistan should be declared as 'terrorist state'.

18. MS Dhoni said "thank God, we are not in Pakistan".

19. Pakistan helped SL to get over LTTE.

20. It has to be India.

I am sure you can add a few in this list. Go on.

Disclaimer: NO reason is imaginary. You can find each one of them on one thread or the other.

 

[IceCold]

You are welcome to get as personal as you can be. It will only show ur true personality. Your attitude & languages above have already peeled of the mask of decency you were wearing. Don't worry, no matter what, I will never lower myself to your level by either getting personal or using ****** languages. You are most welcome to say anything you like. This is a public forum and u can bellow anything you want till the moderators think you are not out of the line.

However, I do apologize, if my list was a little too personal for your test. It was meant to be humorous only, since you guys had already made up your mind as far as probe results go.

Regards.

next time keep the test to your self if you can add nothing to the debate and the purpose is just to waste the Bandwidth. Moreover this a public forum, however that does not give you the right to ridicule someone in an attempt of being humorous, it wasn't funny.

 

[HK-47]

This case wont be solved as many other cases, mainly because this was a staged one. You cannot expect the punjab police to arrest the ISI operatives.

Let me ask you a blunt question.What can the ISI gain by killing Lankan cricketers?So that they can blame RAW/India?

 

[muse]

Deciding our destiny



By Ayesha Ijaz Khan
As I, like several other compatriots, lament the terrible tragedy that befell a gracious Sri Lankan cricket team who agreed to tour Pakistan when no other team would, I cannot help but wonder about the heartless reaction of the international community. Where is the sympathy?

Any other terrorist attack in the world today elicits an outpouring of condolences and heartfelt wishes from world leaders and commentators alike, but in Pakistan's case, there is no hint of compassion in foreign newspapers. No acknowledgment that the policemen who lay down their lives for the protection of our guests are as honourable as the fire fighters of 9/11. No empathy for the overwhelming majority of Pakistanis who have condemned the incident without reservation and will now fear for their own security even in the most mundane of tasks, like shopping at Lahore's Liberty Market.

I cannot help but remember another tragic incident related to cricket in fact. When Bob Woolmer died unexpectedly in Jamaica in March 2007, I do not recall the international community admonishing the West Indies as it is wont to do in the case of Pakistan. Surely, that was an equally astonishing security breach, but the entire nation was not maligned in the wake of a heinous death. In fact, then too, if I recall correctly, it was the Pakistani players who had become the subjects of unwarranted suspicion. While it is true that dangerous incidents have begun to occur in Pakistan with amazing alacrity, it is also true that no country and no sport is immune from criminal and terrorist designs.

Instead of standing together in each other's hour of grief, all the international community has offered Pakistan however is rebuke and reproach. This is not to say that Pakistan is not to blame for many of its failings. But, in the immediate aftermath of a terrorist action that transcends religion, race and nationality, there must be an indiscriminate show of empathy, without regard to who may have perpetrated the attacks.

Personally, I vacillate between the two possibilities that are being debated in Pakistan. On the one hand, India has always had a desire to isolate Pakistan; to convince the world that it has been a failed experiment. Just as there are elements in Pakistan who may be obsessed with India, defining Pakistan only in terms of its separateness from its Hindu neighbour to the east, so too, in India, there are elements that are equally obsessed with Pakistan, not entirely at ease with the idea of a homeland for Muslims carved out of mother India.

This fixation is surprisingly often manifested in casual conversations with Indian acquaintances. "Why doesn't Pakistan merge back with India?" is frequently the question posed by our friends across the border.

"Maybe we just don't like you enough," is perhaps the best response I heard from a Pakistani. It is curious how many Indians think that they were duped into separation from us and that the only vindication would be in portraying Pakistan as unable to manage its own affairs.

And thus Pakistanis are not completely out of line if they have concerns about India's hegemonic designs and regional threats to their existence. In recent months, these threats have amplified. Yet, equally dangerous, if not more so, is the enemy within. Regrettable as it is, it would not be unfair to say that extremism has permeated our society and over the past many decades there has been a systematic transfer of power from the secular segments of society to those claiming to pose as Islamists.

There is too much tolerance for religious posers, and precious little for dissent in secular terms. This is exhibited across the board. The biggest culprits of course have been successive governments, willing to make peace deals with those who threaten the very fabric of our legal and value structure, yet unwilling to accommodate political dissent or civil society activism based on globally-accepted human values.

But the trouble is also evident among large segments of our society at large. Those who hide behind the cloak of religiosity are rarely questioned about their motives or their actions. Even ten years ago, before the menace of Talibanization crept upon us so forcefully, a policeman, for instance, was far more likely to fine a clean-shaven driver as opposed to a bearded one.

I find it ridiculous, for example, when some analysts ask what the extremists would gain by targeting the Sri Lankans and thus further isolating Pakistan. What do they gain by burning girls' schools? What do they gain by mutilating dead bodies? What do they gain by attacking concerts? Isn't it just the spread of panic and fear that they are after? Have they been emboldened further by the deal in Swat?

Unkind and callous as the international community has been to Pakistan in its time of tragedy and accepting that we must be vigilant of extraneous threats from "foreign hands", Pakistanis can nevertheless not afford to overlook the very serious home-grown hazard that challenges our survival as a nation.

I do not appreciate doom and gloom scenarios on Pakistan and thus believe optimistically that Pakistan has amazing resilience and the capacity to weather many storms, but we as a nation need to do some serious thinking. In this trying time, we must continue to hold our heads up high, ignore what is written abroad only to slander our country, but take very seriously the concerns and fears of our own citizens and threats posed by dangerous groups given a free rein to operate under the guise of religion.

The Pakistani state has done little to help out its people in the past, but "non-state actors like Abdul Sattar Edhi provide emergency health services, orphanages and shelters for sick animals," as Mohammed Hanif very aptly said in his piece, "Ten Myths About Pakistan" published in Times of India. Perhaps the time has come for other non-state actors and civil society activists to come together and form neighbourhood watch groups to prevent potential violence and for the media to actively encourage youth-friendly discussions with a view to promote more realistic and peaceful interpretations of our religion that are compatible with life and not fixated on death and destruction.



The writer is a London-based lawyer turned political commentator. Website: Ayesha Ijaz Khan

 

[rubyjackass]

what ever you want buddy!

I want some. On loan. Want to play

With all due respect sir may i add that people like you who see all the fault within and to them India is just like a saint which could never ever think of doing any damage to Pakistan and its existence or its interests, are not doing any good either to Pakistan. You may want to call us a taliban lover and what not, may i remind you again of who caused us more(taliban or India)? Moreover if indeed like you portray India being such a saint all the time with producing articles over and over, then why do we need an army of over 600000 men backed by an airforce and a navy and most notably nuclear assets. Somewhere i think there are still sane heads left in Pakistan otherwise if it would have been for people like you, then may i add with all due respect, that taliban threat is much smaller compared to what the consequences of negligence and ignorance be.
Sorry if post may offend you, but something i had to say, because you keep accusing us of being taliban lover, its about time you see yourself in the mirror first because you are defending a country that resulted in the loss of an entire wing. I hope that wasn't before your time.

Regards

IceCold

India's sainthood is not the point here. Being sane and reasonable is.

pakistan daily - the best investigative paper in the country!

I also wonder why the same article is always quoted

 

[hembo]

..., may i remind you again of who caused us more(taliban or India)?

Interesting question. It requires brains and soul searching to get the answer.

For me: Its hatred that is causing both the nations grave sufferings. We are entangled in the vicious circle of hatred, which, everyday is bringing us closer and closer to destruction only. I do have some more reasons specific to both the countries, but don't wish to discus the same here as it will be out of the topic.

..., then why do we need an army of over 600000 men backed by an airforce and a navy and most notably nuclear assets.

In spite of having all these, so called assets, are we living in peace? Are our children's future is secure and peaceful in a developed & safe land? So are these actually assets or burden on our developments?

No comments on the rest of the post. For me, Niaz bhai has posted a beautiful article, which requires guts and aptitude to grasp. War cry can be made by all, especially by those, who either do not understand or care about the consequences. But, it requires genuine courage to introspect.

 

[Omar1984]

I find it ridiculous, for example, when some analysts ask what the extremists would gain by targeting the Sri Lankans and thus further isolating Pakistan. What do they gain by burning girls' schools? What do they gain by mutilating dead bodies? What do they gain by attacking concerts? Isn't it just the spread of panic and fear that they are after? Have they been emboldened further by the deal in Swat?[/SIZE]

"Extremists" could be getting millions of rupees and be working for some foreign country which wants Pakistan to destabilize and be isolated. Have you ever thought about that?

 

[fatman17]

What source did you get your lashkar blame on? hindutva.com?

all the major dailes of pakistan and the world - go google some!

 

[fatman17]

Lashkar-e-Taiba was supported by Pakistan they are fighting Indian occupation of Kashmir. What does Lashkar have anything to do with Sri Lanka or cricket?

you tell me - you seem to have the "pulse" of the these organisations in your hand - i have already posted my response!

 

[Bull]

u go around askin everyone to provide evidence but when it comes to ur claim of ISI bein involved then suddenly the question of evidence disappears........ dont ask for one if u dont bother providin one

Why are you denying facts ? Govt's come to know about each other's inteligence organisation's work through moles or 'sources' well placed in rival organisation. To disclose them would derail further chances of discovery.

 

[IceCold]

India's sainthood is not the point here. Being sane and reasonable is.

And how exactly do you purpose this so called sanity and being reasonable should be achieved? I am guessing by not labeling India, no matter what it has done in the past to destroy or destabilize Pakistan or no matter how much leads actually points towards India, in the end some XYZ Jihadi organization should be blamed for it but not India.

 

[Bull]

all the major dailes of pakistan and the world - go google some!

When is the last time Pakistan arrested the culprits and send them to jail.

Benazir assasination ? Marrriot ? No. Nobody has been caught.

 

[Omar1984]

you tell me - you seem to have the "pulse" of the these organisations in your hand - i have already posted my response!

First Pakistan supports and funds this organization, praises them as freedom fighters, now here are some Pakistanis who blame this same organization for trying to destroy Pakistan

Are you an MQM supporter by any chance?

 

[ANDUBYLL]

Jihad means struggle so aren't we all strugglers in life?

As Muslims we are supposed to help other Muslims in need...so it was their right to help the Muslims in Afghanistan fight the Soviets and help the Muslims in Kashmir fight the Indians.

Today, many Muslims see Americans as the same as Soviets of the 1980's.

Like it or not, Islam plays a huge role in the lives of many Muslims.

No matter how much you defend Jehadis or other terrorists that use Islam for justifying terrorism, there is only one solution to this problem. Hunt them down and kill them. No mercies .. and stop being the spokesperson for for all muslims !!! No matter how much you try, there are muslims here who want nothing to do with your narrow minded version of islam.

 

[Omar1984]

No matter how much you defend Jehadis or other terrorists that use Islam for justifying terrorism, there is only one solution to this problem. Hunt them down and kill them. No mercies .. and stop being the spokesperson for for all muslims !!! No matter how much you try, there are muslims here who want nothing to do with your narrow minded version of islam.

Everything I mentioned in my previous posts about Islam is true. Ask your grandfather who you say is an "Indian Muslim".

Ask an Arabic speaking Muslim the meaning of Jihad. It means struggle. Ask any Muslim scholar that Islam teaches to help other Muslims in need.

Seems like you need to have a long talk with your "Indian Muslim" grandpa.