Kya Dilli Kya Lahore

[Contrarian]

Ticker..electricity is over 200 gw in India, not 31 gw.
We have no motorways because we don't call them motorways. We call them expressways. Now check again.
GIFT city is not photoshopped..Modi is actually building it.
We have BRT as well as metro as well as monorail.

You are right in saying that one decade of prosperity has brought arrogance. It will go down in probably another decade or so.

 

[Ticker]

q hazam naee hua kiya . : rofl: ..........again asking who are the first man and woman in hindusium

ha ha ha ......

Yaar who is this Zaid Hamid ..... should see him on TV some day. He really fires up the behinds of some of these Indian guys.

 

[pk_baloch]

You will never agree to anything.

behens k aage bhen bhajana....

 

[Ticker]

behens k aage bhen bhajana....

nahin nahin ..... non cow eating cow belt ki cow ke saamnay

 

[pk_baloch]

ha ha ha ......

Yaar who is this Zaid Hamid ..... should see him on TV some day. He really fires up the behinds of some of these Indian guys.

zaid hamid wo jis ne indians ko din k taree dikhaen hein ...indians raat ko uddh udh k dakhte hein usee.........iss liye indians ko iss se nafrat he ..q k wo inke poll kholta hehahhahaha

 

[PARAS]

The word Ordu is a Turkish word which means Army or Lashkar. It was a Lashkari language used by warriors. The locals who embraced Islam, many from CP, UP etc adopted it and converted it into a beautiful language of expression. There was no and there is no Ganga jamuna Tehzib in history as Indians after losing the cradle of Indus Valley Civilization tried to create one but failed. There is only one Tehzeeb in history and that is Indus Valley Tehzeeb which is now a Muslim Tehzeeb. We created Urdu and brought it here with us. Muslims living in India use it to maintain their separate identity because their identity is increasingly being threatened by the majority Hindus.

Your first few lines are confusing . Are you trying to say there was an older version of urdu which the lashkars brought with them ? If not , then I have to tell you that when moghuls arrived in North India , they needed a language to converse with the local populace . So they adopted the local khari boli ( which is not very different from present day sanskritik hindi ) language with few modifications replacing the sanskrit( prakrit ) words with the persian ones. So the new language thus formed retained the structure of the khari boli but had high content of persian words in its vocabulary .

You haven't studied sanskrit that's why you don't know how closely urdu is related to it . Almost 80% of today's urdu is just modified version of sanskrit . Barring the nouns and adjectives , everything else is sanskrit . Even many words spoken in urdu which are thought to be from persian have actually sanskrit roots .

 

[pk_baloch]

nahin nahin ..... non cow eating cow belt ki cow ke saamnay

hmmm mein namaz par lun friday ki t.c

 

[Ticker]

Ticker..electricity is over 200 gw in India, not 31 gw.
We have no motorways because we don't call them motorways. We call them expressways. Now check again.
GIFT city is not photoshopped..Modi is actually building it.
We have BRT as well as metro as well as monorail.

You are right in saying that one decade of prosperity has brought arrogance. It will go down in probably another decade or so.

Sir, the concept of a motor way and an express way is different - however, I don't know about India.

A motorway is supposed to be all the way fenced on both sides. It is supposed to have telephones every some KMs for seeking or passing information about emergencies. Emergency services are supposed to be available after every prescribed KMs. Places for rest are separately earmarked at regular distance. Eating places, quality bathrooms and vehicle repair places are available every 50-60 KMs. If your vehicle breaks down, tow truck is available within prescribed time to tow your vehicle to repair workshops available within the compound earmarked for eating and resting places along with petrol and gas stations - and many more facilities.

All these facilities are available on all Pakistani motorways. The motorway police is much much more effective and very professional indeed.

Currently, the speed limit for light vehicles is set at 120 KM/hour on our motor ways. I hope they increase the limit due to the type of cars now plying on these motorways.

Such kind of organized facilities are not available on Indian expressways, as I know it.

 

[DARIUS]

It is so strange that Pakistanis are not even taught the origins of their national language!!!!!!Urdu is a language which originated in India in military camps when soldiers of various stock's like Arab,Turkiye,Hindustani tried to communicate with each other in their own respective languages but at the same time trying to make it more comprehensible for the other person by using local dialects at the same time.If Urdu had been purely Persian or Arabic in nature than not a single person in India would have been able to understand Urdu and Pakistan and not India would have produced some of the greatest Urdu scholars!!It is because of it's similarity with Devanagari that Urdu is widely understood in India.BTW my delusional Pakistani friend's the language Persian which you people are bragging about much belong to the Indo-Iranian language group which has got it's roots in Sanskrit.It was the Muslims in Pre-Independent India who in their futile attempt's to show themselves different from India started usin the Persian script and Arabic script to write Urdu which could have been very well written in Hindi script as well.

Urdu developed under the influence of Persian, Arabic, Bengali, and Turkic over the course of almost 900 years.It began to take shape in what is now Uttar Pradesh, India during the Delhi Sultanate (1206–1527), and continued to develop under the Mughal Empire (1526–1858). Urdu is mutually intelligible with Standard Hindi spoken in India. Both languages share the same Indic base and are so similar in phonology and grammar that they appear to be one language.The combined population of Hindi and Urdu speakers is the fourth largest in the world.
Mughals hailed from the Barlas tribe which was of Mongol origin, the tribe had embraced Turkic and Persian culture,and resided in Turkestan and Khorasan. Their mother tongue was the Chaghatai language (known to them as Turkī, "Turkic") and they were equally at home in Persian, the lingua franca of the Timurid elite.But after their arrival in the Indian subcontinent, the need to communicate with local inhabitants led to use of Indic languages written in the Persian alphabet, with some literary conventions and vocabulary retained from Persian and Turkic; this eventually became a new standard called Hindustani, which is the direct predecessor of Urdu.Urdu is often contrasted with Hindi. Apart from religious associations, the differences are largely restricted to the standard forms: Standard Urdu is conventionally written in the Nastaliq style of the Persian alphabet and relies heavily on Persian and Arabic as a source for technical and literary vocabulary,whereas Standard Hindi is conventionally written in Devanāgarī and draws on Sanskrit.However, both have large numbers of Persian, Sanskrit and Arabic words, and most linguists consider them to be two standardized forms of the same language,and consider the differences to be sociolinguistic,though a few classify them separately.Mutual intelligibility decreases in literary and specialized contexts which rely on educated vocabulary. Due to religious nationalism since the partition of British India and continued communal tensions, native speakers of both Hindi and Urdu frequently assert them to be completely distinct languages, despite the numerous similarities between the two in a colloquial setting. However, it is quite easy to distinguish differences in vocabulary.

[QUOTE]Birth of Urdu

Urdu means "(military) camp" in the Hindustani language, from Turkish ordu meaning "army"; and Urdu language was the language of the camp when Nader Shah of Persia (Iran) invaded India. Nader Shah set up his camp in what is now modern day Pakistan, and from here the Khariboli speaking Indians and the Persian speaking Iranians (Persians) mingled together and a third language, Urdu was born. It is bridge between the two branches of Indo-Iranian language. Today Urdu has adapted a lot of Arabic and Persian words because of many migrants from Iran and the Middle East adapted this language. It is also very welcoming to other international languages; it has adopted certain vocabulary from English.[/QUOTE]
Urdu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And what is this BS about Pakistanis being Zoroastrians and Buddhists before the advent of Islam??Do u guys actually know exactly when the Zoroaster and the Buddha propagated their respective school of thought's?Buddha himself was a Kshatriya Hindu from Nepal.His actual name was Siddhartha. . . this automatically affirms that Hinduism predates any of the above mentioned religion's!!!On the other hand the Buddhists and the Zoroastrians practice a huge number of rituals which are essentially Vedic in origin like fire worshiping

1.Both from the Aryans

2.Both has languages[Avestan [Zoroastrianism] & Sanskrit [Hinduism] ] that sounds awfully alike and used as official language for Religion.[both derived from Proto-Indo-European].

3.Both respect the FIRE element and uses them in their rituals. The Parsi ritual invocation of the Fire is called Yasna (Jashn) which corresponds to the Hindu ritual of Yagna

4.Both Teaching agrees that Ahura/Asura and Daeva/Deva r both were Celestial Beings and later one of the group would then be casted out] - Similar with God & Satan in Christianity isnt it.
For Hinduism, Deva remained Gods & Asura were they casted out group [Demons] becoz of their greediness and wildness.
On the Other Hand, Zoroastrianism Ahura was the God and the Daevas were casted out becoz of choosing LIE as their companion and thus bringing evil thoughts in Humans.

5.Both respects the sacred plant juice [ Haoma (Zoroastrianism) & Soma (Hinduism)] and both Religions says it was drunk by the Celestial beings in both the religions.

6.Both burns incense, chants Mantra (Hinduism) /Manthra (Zoroastrianism), during prayers/rituals.

7.Both has Ceremony f which ties a white string [Kusti] on the kid's body signifying the child is now responsible for the duty of offering prayers and observing other religious rites and customes.Parsis [Zoroastrianism] wear a Kusti (a holy thread around their waist) - Navazote ceremony, which corresponds to the 'Hindu Yagnopavit or Janeu worn around the shoulder and the waist, which is also a white string.

Navazote ceremony (Zoroastrianism)
Upanayanam Ceremony (Hinduism)

8.The Parsis also use coconuts and. grains of rice during their Navjyot and wedding ceremonies like the Hindus.
[/QUOTE.I think its needless to speak of Buddhism cause everybody knows.

 

[Roybot]

Sir, the concept of a motor way and an express way is different - however, I don't know about India.

No its not! In India motorways are known as expressways.

 

[Ticker]

Your first few lines are confusing . Are you trying to say there was an older version of urdu which the lashkars brought with them ? If not , then I have to tell you that when moghuls arrived in North India , they needed a language to converse with the local populace . So they adopted the local khari boli ( which is not very different from present day sanskritik hindi ) language with few modifications replacing the sanskrit( prakrit ) words with the persian ones. So the new language thus formed retained the structure of the khari boli but had high content of persian words in its vocabulary .

You haven't studied sanskrit that's why you don't know how closely urdu is related to it . Almost 80% of today's urdu is just modified version of sanskrit . Barring the nouns and adjectives , everything else is sanskrit . Even many words spoken in urdu which are thought to be from persian have actually sanskrit roots .

Thank you indeed. You are right in many ways.

Urdu and Turkish has over seven thousand common words. Similarly, Persian, Pushto and offcourse Hindi and Sanskrit. This language was originally developed as a common language for different linguistic peoples of the Muslim lashkars and that is why the word Ordu - a Turkish word meaning Army or a Lashkar or a Lashkari language.

 

[curioususer]

2 minutes ago some INDIAN claimed that they can USE SINDH as part of their national anthem, bcoz even though SINDH is not part of India but many Sindhi Hindus are.. Then by the same logic, why can't we use URDU? Over 10 million Urdu speakers from Bihar, U.P. and other places moved to Pakistan. We can say even though Bihar, U.P. is not part of Pakistan, but many people from those places are Pakistani and very proud Pakistanis. Even the owners and administrators of this forum are muhajirs. What a flawed logic from Indians.

Only Indians can abuse logic, not you people.

 

[Ticker]

It is so strange that Pakistanis are not even taught the origins of their national language!!!!!!Urdu is a language which originated in India in military camps when soldiers of various stock's like Arab,Turkiye,Hindustani tried to communicate with each other in their own respective languages but at the same time trying to make it more comprehensible for the other person by using local dialects at the same time.If Urdu had been purely Persian or Arabic in nature than not a single person in India would have been able to understand Urdu and Pakistan and not India would have produced some of the greatest Urdu scholars!!It is because of it's similarity with Devanagari that Urdu is widely understood in India.BTW my delusional Pakistani friend's the language Persian which you people are bragging about much belong to the Indo-Iranian language group which has got it's roots in Sanskrit.It was the Muslims in Pre-Independent India who in their futile attempt's to show themselves different from India started usin the Persian script and Arabic script to write Urdu which could have been very well written in Hindi script as well.

[QUOTE]Birth of Urdu

Urdu means "(military) camp" in the Hindustani language, from Turkish ordu meaning "army"; and Urdu language was the language of the camp when Nader Shah of Persia (Iran) invaded India. Nader Shah set up his camp in what is now modern day Pakistan, and from here the Khariboli speaking Indians and the Persian speaking Iranians (Persians) mingled together and a third language, Urdu was born. It is bridge between the two branches of Indo-Iranian language. Today Urdu has adapted a lot of Arabic and Persian words because of many migrants from Iran and the Middle East adapted this language. It is also very welcoming to other international languages; it has adopted certain vocabulary from English.

Urdu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And what is this BS about Pakistanis being Zoroastrians and Buddhists before the advent of Islam??Do u guys actually know exactly when the Zoroaster and the Buddha propagated their respective school of thought's?Buddha himself was a Kshatriya Hindu from Nepal.His actual name was Siddhartha. . . this automatically affirms that Hinduism predates any of the above mentioned religion's!!!On the other hand the Buddhists and the Zoroastrians practice a huge number of rituals which are essentially Vedic in origin like fire worshiping

1.Both from the Aryans

2.Both has languages[Avestan [Zoroastrianism] & Sanskrit [Hinduism] ] that sounds awfully alike and used as official language for Religion.[both derived from Proto-Indo-European].

3.Both respect the FIRE element and uses them in their rituals. The Parsi ritual invocation of the Fire is called Yasna (Jashn) which corresponds to the Hindu ritual of Yagna

4.Both Teaching agrees that Ahura/Asura and Daeva/Deva r both were Celestial Beings and later one of the group would then be casted out] - Similar with God & Satan in Christianity isnt it.
For Hinduism, Deva remained Gods & Asura were they casted out group [Demons] becoz of their greediness and wildness.
On the Other Hand, Zoroastrianism Ahura was the God and the Daevas were casted out becoz of choosing LIE as their companion and thus bringing evil thoughts in Humans.

5.Both respects the sacred plant juice [ Haoma (Zoroastrianism) & Soma (Hinduism)] and both Religions says it was drunk by the Celestial beings in both the religions.

6.Both burns incense, chants Mantra (Hinduism) /Manthra (Zoroastrianism), during prayers/rituals.

7.Both has Ceremony f which ties a white string [Kusti] on the kid's body signifying the child is now responsible for the duty of offering prayers and observing other religious rites and customes.Parsis [Zoroastrianism] wear a Kusti (a holy thread around their waist) - Navazote ceremony, which corresponds to the 'Hindu Yagnopavit or Janeu worn around the shoulder and the waist, which is also a white string.

Navazote ceremony (Zoroastrianism)
Upanayanam Ceremony (Hinduism)

8.The Parsis also use coconuts and. grains of rice during their Navjyot and wedding ceremonies like the Hindus.
[/QUOTE.I think its needless to speak of Buddhism cause everybody knows.

Please comment on @pk_baloch's undermentioned statements:

The word/term Hindu/Hinduism is a recent construct. It were the Muslim invaders (Ghorids) who for the first time in history imposed the foreign term Hindu on the many different, unrelated peoples and religions of south Asia. The term Hinduism was given by the British colonialists. Not a single pre-Muslim/British era Vedic, Brahman, Buddhist, Jain, or any other South Asian scripture/inscription mentions the word Hindu/Hinduism. Similarly, Sanata Dharma was a term invented in the 19th century AD by Gangetic Brahmans in their desperate attempt to replace the Muslim/British term Hindu/Hinduism.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/204532-kya-dilli-kya-lahore-28.html#ixzz2579PXQzb


Thank you.

 

[ajtr]

Thank you indeed. You are right in many ways.

Urdu and Turkish has over seven thousand common words. Similarly, Persian, Pushto and offcourse Hindi and Sanskrit. This language was originally developed as a common language for different linguistic peoples of the Muslim lashkars and that is why the word Ordu - a Turkish word meaning Army or a Lashkar or a Lashkari language.

So.............................?

 

[INDIC]

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