KSA, the UAE to get submarines

[Nishan_101]

Like I said the PN will have a word on this bro you can hub in if you wish.



The thing is that we don't take the Germans seriously. Today they give you one word, tomorrow you will hear something else you know?

I guess the Italiano-Russo submarine project is promising, we might look into it deeply to see the pros and the cons. Otherwise, we are in talks with the French to procure 4-6 Frigates and 5-7 submarines.

What do you guys make of this Italian sub project?

@Imran Khan @Pakistanisage @Aeronaut

For KSA, UAE, Oman, Jordan, Yemen, Algeria, Libya and Pakistan only and only JV is the answer

 

[Sargodhian_Eagle]

Like I said the PN will have a word on this bro you can hub in if you wish.



The thing is that we don't take the Germans seriously. Today they give you one word, tomorrow you will hear something else you know?

I guess the Italiano-Russo submarine project is promising, we might look into it deeply to see the pros and the cons. Otherwise, we are in talks with the French to procure 4-6 Frigates and 5-7 submarines.

What do you guys make of this Italian sub project?

@Imran Khan @Pakistanisage @Aeronaut

I think Russian-Italian JV is still on papers and will not be ready soon. Secondly, KSA n UAE will use sub-marines for first time so they can't risk their Navy on such subs which have no history of usage.

So KSA n UAE must go for those submarines, which are operational already and they have history and credibility.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

I think Russian-Italian JV is still on papers and will not be ready soon. Secondly, KSA n UAE will use sub-marines for first time so they can't risk their Navy on such subs which have no history of usage.

So KSA n UAE must go for those submarines, which are operational already and they have history and credibility.

What kind of subs are we talking about here?

For KSA, UAE, Oman, Jordan, Yemen, Algeria, Libya and Pakistan only and only JV is the answer

No body will be on board, except you, the UAE, and us.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

Scorpène-class submarine (French)

Name: Scorpène

Builders: DCNS

Operators:
- Chilean Navy
- Indian Navy
- Royal Malaysian Navy
- Brazilian Navy (planned to 2015)

Cost: $450 million

Building: 2
Planned: 19
Completed: 4
Active: 4

General characteristics

Class & type: Scorpène class

Type: submarine

Displacement:
- 1,565 tonnes (1,725 short tons) (CM-2000)
- 1,870 tonnes (2,060 short tons) (AM-2000)
- 2,000 tonnes (2,200 short tons) (S-BR)

Length:
- 61.7 metres (202 ft) (CM-2000)
- 70 metres (230 ft) (AM-2000)
- 75 metres (246 ft) (S-BR)

Beam: 6.2 metres (20 ft)

Draught: 5.4 metres (18 ft)

Draft: 5.8 metres (19 ft)

Propulsion: Diesel-Electric, Batteries, and AIP (Air-independent propulsion)

Speed:
- 20 knots (37 km/h) (submerged)
- 12 kn (22 km/h) (surfaced)

Range:
- 6,500 nautical miles (12,000 km) at 8 knots (surfaced)
- 550 nmi (1,020 km) at 5 knots (submerged)

Endurance: 50+21 days (AIP)

Test depth: >350 metres (1,150 ft)

Complement: 31

Armament: 6 x 533-mm torpedo tubes for 18 Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei Black Shark heavyweight torpedoes or SM.39 Exocet anti-ship missiles, 30 mines in place of torpedoes


Continue… See old links :

KSA with France sail towards the ocean and space

KSA with France sail towards the ocean and space

UAE Considering a Submarine Capability


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S1000-class submarines (Italy - Russia)
(2014 - In project) Dream On…

S1000 Class submarines are a joint development by Russia and Italy. It is said to be an advanced version of the Amur class submarine of Rubin Design Bureau. The Joint development is between Rubin Design Bureau of Russia and Fincantieri of Italy.

History

It was reported in 2005 that Fincantieri of Italy had entered into a partnership with Russia's Rubin Design Bureau to design a new diesel-electric submarine based on the Russian Amur class submarine and featuring AIP (Air Independent Propulsion) technology. In October 2006 at the Euronaval international arms show in France, Russia and Italy presented a mock-up model of a new-generation diesel submarine called S1000.


General characteristics

Type: submarine

Displacement: 1,100 tons (submerged)

Length: 56.20 m

Propulsion: Diesel-Electric, Batteries, and AIP

Speed: >14 knots (26 km/h) (submerged)

Range: 3,000 nmi (5,600 km) at 4 knots (submerged)

Test depth: >250 meters

Complement: 16

Sensors and processing systems:
- 5 Multifunction CMS Consoles Integrating sensors and navigation 1 Passive/Active Sonar Suite (Conformal Array, Intercept Array, Mine Avoidance, ONA); Integrated Navigation System

Electronic warfare & decoys: Torpedo Countermeasures System (Emulator/Decoy)

Armament: 6 Fwd Torpedo Tubes (Push-Out Type) with capability to manage a combination of up to 6 + 8:21 inches (533 mm) Wire Guided Torpedoes; Antiship / Strike Missiles

No interest…


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[Yzd Khalifa]

Let's go for the Scorpènes bro

Just make sure it will be as twice powerful as the original one is.

Scorpène-class submarine (French)

Name: Scorpène

Builders: DCNS

Operators:
- Chilean Navy
- Indian Navy
- Royal Malaysian Navy
- Brazilian Navy (planned to 2015)

Cost: $450 million

Building: 2
Planned: 19
Completed: 4
Active: 4

General characteristics

Class & type: Scorpène class

Type: submarine

Displacement:
- 1,565 tonnes (1,725 short tons) (CM-2000)
- 1,870 tonnes (2,060 short tons) (AM-2000)
- 2,000 tonnes (2,200 short tons) (S-BR)

Length:
- 61.7 metres (202 ft) (CM-2000)
- 70 metres (230 ft) (AM-2000)
- 75 metres (246 ft) (S-BR)

Beam: 6.2 metres (20 ft)

Draught: 5.4 metres (18 ft)

Draft: 5.8 metres (19 ft)

Propulsion: Diesel-Electric, Batteries, and AIP (Air-independent propulsion)

Speed:
- 20 knots (37 km/h) (submerged)
- 12 kn (22 km/h) (surfaced)

Range:
- 6,500 nautical miles (12,000 km) at 8 knots (surfaced)
- 550 nmi (1,020 km) at 5 knots (submerged)

Endurance: 50+21 days (AIP)

Test depth: >350 metres (1,150 ft)

Complement: 31

Armament: 6 x 533-mm torpedo tubes for 18 Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei Black Shark heavyweight torpedoes or SM.39 Exocet anti-ship missiles, 30 mines in place of torpedoes


Continue… See old links :

KSA with France sail towards the ocean and space

KSA with France sail towards the ocean and space

UAE Considering a Submarine Capability


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S1000-class submarines (Italy - Russia)
(2014 - In project) Dream On…

S1000 Class submarines are a joint development by Russia and Italy. It is said to be an advanced version of the Amur class submarine of Rubin Design Bureau. The Joint development is between Rubin Design Bureau of Russia and Fincantieri of Italy.

History

It was reported in 2005 that Fincantieri of Italy had entered into a partnership with Russia's Rubin Design Bureau to design a new diesel-electric submarine based on the Russian Amur class submarine and featuring AIP (Air Independent Propulsion) technology. In October 2006 at the Euronaval international arms show in France, Russia and Italy presented a mock-up model of a new-generation diesel submarine called S1000.


General characteristics

Type: submarine

Displacement: 1,100 tons (submerged)

Length: 56.20 m

Propulsion: Diesel-Electric, Batteries, and AIP

Speed: >14 knots (26 km/h) (submerged)

Range: 3,000 nmi (5,600 km) at 4 knots (submerged)

Test depth: >250 meters

Complement: 16

Sensors and processing systems:
- 5 Multifunction CMS Consoles Integrating sensors and navigation 1 Passive/Active Sonar Suite (Conformal Array, Intercept Array, Mine Avoidance, ONA); Integrated Navigation System

Electronic warfare & decoys: Torpedo Countermeasures System (Emulator/Decoy)

Armament: 6 Fwd Torpedo Tubes (Push-Out Type) with capability to manage a combination of up to 6 + 8:21 inches (533 mm) Wire Guided Torpedoes; Antiship / Strike Missiles

No interest…


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[IAKhan]

Saudi Arabia, UAE Eye Fincantieri Submarine Acquisitions; Achille Fulfaro Comments
Feb 10th, 2014 · 0 Comment
Italian shipbuilder Fincantieri plans to hold submarine acquisition talks with government customers in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, Defense News reported Sunday.

Awad Mustafa writes Saudi Arabia also wants to purchase more than a dozen German-built Type 209 submarines worth $3.4 billion combined.

German newspaper Bild originally reported the details of that transaction.

Achille Fulfaro, Fincantieri Middle East naval executive and general manager of Etihad Ship Building, said the two countries will assess small- to medium-sized submarines, according to Defense News.

“With the experience of the Italian navy and with the existing cooperation with the UAE, we can create a program for the development of small submarines,” Fulfaro said.

Fulfaro also said the potential order could be for submarines weighing between 300 and 1,000 metric tons, according to the report.

Mustafa writes that Fincantieri plans to develop the fleet at the Abu Dhabi-based facilities of Etihad, a joint venture with Al Fattan Shipyard and Melara Middle East.

- See more at: Saudi Arabia, UAE Eye Fincantieri Submarine Acquisitions; Achille Fulfaro Comments

As a part of Fincantieri and Etihad Ship Building it will be our great pride and honour to be a part of such sophisticated programme.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Let's hope you guys can offer something similar to the Type-212. It will be a great opportunity to both of us.

As a part of Fincantieri and Etihad Ship Building it will be our great pride and honour to be a part of such sophisticated programme.

I'm just a little skeptical about the Russian contribution to this project.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

As a part of Fincantieri and Etihad Ship Building it will be our great pride and honour to be a part of such sophisticated programme.

No need to be enthusiastic.

This proposal is ‘a pure scam’. Italians do not have a real expertise to build submarines.

The future submarines - with ToT - will be German (Huge doubts - relationship Germany Israel -), French or South Korea.


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[rockstar08]

@Yzd Khalifa is there any chance for KSA for consider for co-orporation in PN submarine program ?
that will be good option for KSA no ?? they have experience working with PN and an ally they can trust ...

 

[jarves]

is there any chance for KSA for consider for co-orporation in PN submarine program ?
that will be good option for KSA no ?? they have experience working with PN and an ally they can trust ...

Which PN submarine program you are talking about??

 

[rockstar08]

Which PN submarine program you are talking about??

the nuclear submarine program ...

 

[SQ8]

the nuclear submarine program ...

There is NO nuclear submarine program. There is only the Chinese AIP SSK program.

 

[rockstar08]

There is NO nuclear submarine program. There is only the Chinese AIP SSK program.

what ??? what happen to the news of Pakistan building a nuclear sub , there was on news all over ... that navy is building one and will be ready in 5-8 years ..................................

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

There is NO nuclear submarine program. There is only the Chinese AIP SSK program.

Man, I can't tell you now much I wished to see the PN operating 3 T-214 subs.

They could have deferred the Quing class for later.

 

[SQ8]

what ??? what happen to the news of Pakistan building a nuclear sub , there was on news all over ... that navy is building one and will be ready in 5-8 years ..................................

Nope.. just as there was news for more F-16s.. Gripen and all that..its been shoved into wishful thinking. Nuclear subs come via something called money.