Korea as Number One

[Martian2]

Wernher von Braun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Wernher Magnus Maximilian, Freiherr[1] von Braun (March 23, 1912 – June 16, 1977) was a German-born rocket scientist, aerospace engineer, space architect, and one of the leading figures in the development of rocket technology in...Germany during World War II and, subsequently, the United States.

In his 20s and early 30s, von Braun was the central figure in Germany's rocket development program, responsible for the design and realization of the V-2 combat rocket during World War II. After the war, he and some of his rocket team were taken to the United States as part of the then-secret Operation Paperclip. Von Braun worked on the United States Army intermediate range ballistic missile (IRBM) program before his group was assimilated by NASA, under which he served as director of the newly formed Marshall Space Flight Center and as the chief architect of the Saturn V launch vehicle, the superbooster that propelled the Apollo spacecraft to the Moon.[2] According to one NASA source, he is "without doubt, the greatest rocket scientist in history".[3] His crowning achievement was to lead the development of the Saturn V booster rocket that helped land the first men on the Moon in July 1969.[4] In 1975 he received the National Medal of Science."

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Hello, Gambit? Wernher Von Braun put the U.S. on the Moon, not Robert Goddard. Get your history straight.

 

[kawaraj]

what a heavenly joke thread? Korea? Discusting nation at best.

They are number one thief and superior slave on record. But I do admit they are at their peak since from now on Korea will go back to their constant history role as a bullied slave, they will be slaves of Japan for anther thousand year.

I got that word, Sansei Kaboku, Bannen Zokkoku.

 

[gambit]

I never claimed that the US didn't have its own input, but German technology played a significant role after WWII in the US space technology. That you can't deny!

Intellectually dishonest people like you do not have to claim so. All you have to do is omit. Deception by omission.

Too many to count, but the technology still kept on developing unlike the Space Shuttle that got mothballed and for the foreseable future there will be no Space Shuttle equivalent anywhere in the world and also no visible development in that direction.

But...but...but...I thought we are judging failure or success by death count?

Yes, in 1884 Berlin got the first power plant, by 1895 all big cities had their operating power plants, altogether 148 of them. The inne cities were the first part of the cities that were electified and the Kaiserstrasse is the centre of Frankfurt.

Unter den Linden (East part of Berlin) 1933

Today

Right...Let me guess...According to you, there are no unique behaviors associated with how power lines are located. No advantages and disadvantages of one method over the other. No financial factors involved. Nothing that may sway engineers to one or the other.

Wernher von Braun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Wernher Magnus Maximilian, Freiherr[1] von Braun (March 23, 1912 – June 16, 1977) was a German-born rocket scientist, aerospace engineer, space architect, and one of the leading figures in the development of rocket technology in...Germany during World War II and, subsequently, the United States.

In his 20s and early 30s, von Braun was the central figure in Germany's rocket development program, responsible for the design and realization of the V-2 combat rocket during World War II. After the war, he and some of his rocket team were taken to the United States as part of the then-secret Operation Paperclip. Von Braun worked on the United States Army intermediate range ballistic missile (IRBM) program before his group was assimilated by NASA, under which he served as director of the newly formed Marshall Space Flight Center and as the chief architect of the Saturn V launch vehicle, the superbooster that propelled the Apollo spacecraft to the Moon.[2] According to one NASA source, he is "without doubt, the greatest rocket scientist in history".[3] His crowning achievement was to lead the development of the Saturn V booster rocket that helped land the first men on the Moon in July 1969.[4] In 1975 he received the National Medal of Science."

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Hello, Gambit? Wernher Von Braun put the U.S. on the Moon, not Robert Goddard. Get your history straight.

And speaking of history...

Wernher von Braun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wernher von Braun used Goddard's plans from various journals and incorporated them into the building of the Aggregat (A) series of rockets. The A-4 rocket would become well known as the V-2.[22] In 1963, von Braun reflected on the history of rocketry, and said of Goddard's work: "His rockets ... may have been rather crude by present-day standards, but they blazed the trail and incorporated many features used in our most modern rockets and space vehicles."

 

[Götterdämmerung]

I have some pictures of a small city, Witten, around 1890 to 1940. A city hardly anyone of you have ever heard of and nowhere can you see messy and ugly utility poles even though by 1911 all of Germany was practically electrified.

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[gambit]

I have some pictures of a small city, Witten, around 1890 to 1940. A city hardly anyone of you have ever heard of and nowhere can you see messy and ugly utility poles even though by 1911 all of Germany was practically electrified.

So according to you, buried power lines are the results of German superiority and overhead power lines have no advantages whatsoever. I just want to make sure where you are coming from.

 

[Martian2]

Intellectually dishonest people like you do not have to claim so. All you have to do is omit. Deception by omission.


But...but...but...I thought we are judging failure or success by death count?


Right...Let me guess...According to you, there are no unique behaviors associated with how power lines are located. No advantages and disadvantages of one method over the other. No financial factors involved. Nothing that may sway engineers to one or the other.


And speaking of history...

Wernher von Braun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think you're taking Von Braun's words out of context. He was being gentlemanly to acknowledge the work of those that preceded him. Also, he was working for the U.S. government. He was almost obligated to saying something positive about an American scientist.

The New York Times wrote a scathing article and criticized Goddard for tinkering with tiny rockets in his backyard.

In my opinion, it is ludicrous to compare Goddard's backyard tinkering (which I have seen the photos) with Von Braun's achievement of the Saturn V Booster Rocket. They are world's apart in difficulty.

Von Braun is an absolute giant in rocketry (e.g. designer of Saturn V to put man on the Moon). Goddard was a backyard hobbyist. They are not comparable.

 

[gambit]

I think you're taking Von Braun's words out of context. He was being gentlemanly to acknowledge the work of those that precede him. However, the New York Times criticized Goddard for tinkering with tiny rockets in his backyard.

In my opinion, it is ludicrous to compare Goddard's backyard tinkering (which I have seen the photos) and Von Braun's achievement of the Saturn V Booster Rocket. They are world's apart in difficulty.

Goddard died before von Braun was captured by the US. In terms of technical creativity, both men were of equal stature. So what this means is that if Goddard was von Braun's contemporary, the US would not need von Braun. By your argument, the Wright Brothers' backyard tinkerings were nothing, right?

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Intellectually dishonest people like you do not have to claim so. All you have to do is omit. Deception by omission.

It's rather you running out of argument.

But...but...but...I thought we are judging failure or success by death count?

False conclusion. The death count didn't stop the development because people saw so much potential in the jet technology while the Space Shuttle stopped developing all over the world because people don't see much future potential and thus a dead end development.

Right...Let me guess...According to you, there are no unique behaviors associated with how power lines are located. No advantages and disadvantages of one method over the other. No financial factors involved. Nothing that may sway engineers to one or the other.

We have been burying our power lines underground from day one because we have a sense of esthetic and safety. In terms of money, isn't the US for such a long time the richest country in the wolrd? The funny part is, in rich neighbourhoods in the US like Beverly Hill and Bell Air and business districts, those lines are also underground.

 

[gambit]

The New York Times wrote a scathing article and criticized Goddard for tinkering with tiny rockets in his backyard.

I do not care what a newspaper opined way back then. Nevertheless, we would like to see your source.

Goddard

Goddard, Robert Father of American spaceflight...

...developed and patented many of the technologies later used on large rockets and missiles--including film cooling, gyroscopically-controlled vanes, and a variable-thrust rocket motor...

V-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The V-2 was guided by four external rudders on the tail fins, and four internal graphite vanes at the exit of the motor.

In other words, the V-2's exhaust deflection fins were taken from Goddard's work.

 

[Martian2]

Goddard died before von Braun was captured by the US. In terms of technical creativity, both men were of equal stature. So what this means is that if Goddard was von Braun's contemporary, the US would not need von Braun. By your argument, the Wright Brothers' backyard tinkerings were nothing, right?

You're blind and no one agrees with you. Going to the Moon is not the same thing as shooting a few toy rockets in your backyard. I hate it when you make b.s. theoretical comparisons and ignore the reality.

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Goddard's work in rocketry (backyard hobbyist):

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Wernher Von Braun's contribution to rocketry (designer of Moon rocket):

 

[gambit]

It's rather you running out of argument.

Nope. Plenty left.

False conclusion. The death count didn't stop the development because people saw so much potential in the jet technology while the Space Shuttle stopped developing all over the world because people don't see much future potential and thus a dead end development.

Do you know how many people predicted the death of the helicopter back then? You accuse me of coming to a false conclusion. But it is YOU who have been making false leaps of logic.

We have been burying our power lines underground from day one because we have a sense of esthetic and safety. In terms of money, isn't the US for such a long time the richest country in the wolrd? The funny part is, in rich neighbourhoods in the US like Beverly Hill and Bell Air and business districts, those lines are also underground.

Aaahhh...So it is a sense of aesthetics and nothing at all to do with physics. I just want to make sure.

You're blind and no one agrees with you. Going to the Moon is not the same thing as shooting a few toy rockets in your backyard. I hate it when you make b.s. theoretical comparisons and ignore the reality.

Yup...This mean China with the J-20 is clearly the superior to the US because the US started with the Wright Brothers with their backyard bicycle toys.

Wernher Von Braun's contribution to rocketry (designer of Moon rocket):

So now von Braun contributed but not Goddard, even though von Braun used Goddard's work in the V-2. Further, like the Wright Brothers, Goddard financed his work with his own money, while von Braun had the Nazi German and later the US governments to finance his work.

Intellectual dishonesty knows no bounds.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

So according to you, buried power lines are the results of German superiority and overhead power lines have no advantages whatsoever. I just want to make sure where you are coming from.

The only advantages I can see are cheap and fast installation, cheap and easy to repair after a natural desaster. We just don't want cheap and easy, we want safety and esthetic, thus a good city planing.

Nope. Plenty left.

Sure by dodging my arguments.

Me: we have superior city planing, e.g. no messy and ugly utility poles.

Gambit: that's because we bombed you back to stone age and you rebuilt with our money.

Me: Our cities never had utility poles and looked much better than after the war. Show picture of around 1890.

Gambit: you didn't have electricity in 1890.

Me: By that time all big cities already had electricity. Show pictures of small city from 1890 to 1940 without any utility poles to be seen.

Gambit: Don't you see the advantages, cost, etc. ...

Sure, there are many arguments left if one doges the argument incessantly. Talking about dishonesty.

Do you know how many people predicted the death of the helicopter back then? You accuse me of coming to a false conclusion. But it is YOU who have been making false leaps of logic.

So what? But the development of the helicopter never stoped unlike your so succesful Space Shuttel that nobody continued to developed, not even your USA. Who is making false leap of logic here?

Aaahhh...So it is a sense of aesthetics and nothing at all to do with physics. I just want to make sure.

Err, you forgot that I was talking about esthetic from the very beginning, e.g. not messy and ugly looking streets? What physical constrains are we talking about? All over Europe, we have all kinds of terrain, geological situations, climate, etc. and still you would hardly find any city with ugly and messy utility poles.

BTW, what about my argument about the big ticket items like washing machines, fridges and other white goods? Do you have anything like Miele Miele: Immer Besser, Gaggenau www.gaggenau.com, Siemens Siemens Home | Kitchen | Cooking Appliances | Ovens | Cooktops | Refrigerator Freezer | Microwaves | Ventilation Hoods | Ranges | Dishwashers | Coffee Maker | Washer Dryer | Laundry, Liebherr Domestic appliances?

The answer is: NO!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yeah, if Hitler wasn't foolish to attack everyone, Germany would definitely put the first man on the Moon.

It is foolish to compare Germany with a third world nation with absolutely no history of its own.

 

[doidoi2]

One thing I might add is that Koreans do not see China as a rival either. Like Taiwan, Chinese do not have what it takes to challenge Koreans in high-value market segment.

It's interesting that the US sees China as direct threat to its dominance, but the Koreans think China is no big deal? In any case, I hope that's true. It's always good to be underestimated by potential competitors.

But then again, your words ring hollow because you're Taiwanese pretending to speak for Korea. The Koreans I know actually take competition from China very seriously.

You're absolutely right about one thing, however. Taiwan has regressed. Taiwan used to have talent, but they're too busy infighting and worrying about unification vs separation to see that there's really only one way forward. They don't realize that most Chinese don't really care about Taiwan anymore either. They care much more about the economy than whether a distant land is recovered or not. The Taiwanese politicians are fighting yesterday's battles.

The politicians really should be fighting about whether Taiwan can make it in the new world economically, rather than the same old tired unification vs separation deal.

 

[S10]

Getting spanked by North Korea once in a while is the only number one South Koreans can get.