Kiyani Demands US Limit Drone Attacks and Operations

[tallboy123]

So finally they stopped.....Good move by army chief

 

[iPhone]

buddy, before afghan came to your country, i mean before the disaster 3 decades ago, our country was alot safer and secure than your tribal areas and KPK, it is the tribal areas and KPK which have the gun culture, we in afghanistan didnt have that culture. Flow of gun started to come from paksitan to afghanistan, not the other way around,[\b] and you know what, we were first set on fire, but now that fire have spread to your home as well, we are experiencng this disaster for more than 35 yrs, but you have now started to see only a small percentage of it. When americans started to set fire in our home, pakistan was quite happy that time because you got the money and your country was safe and sound-no complain about americans and it was all buddy buddy situation, now the fire is burning you and you are complaining. Afghan refugees are not traitors because they are not pakistani nationals, and yes i agree with you, we must leave your country, your gov also make sure to expell us ASAP. We are thankful to the people of countries who have let us in their countries but not your gov.

If 30yrs ago afghan was better and peaceful place than Pakistan was 10 times better. It's a fact upon accepting afghan regugees there was a heavy influx of opium from afghan. It's also known to everyone which country was and still grows opium. Once narcotics started coming in so did weapons from aghan, the large and large quantity of ak-47s the Russians left behind - where there are drugs there are weapons-

Our cities were littered with heroin and automatic rifles from afghan and our one generation of youngsters lost to heroine addiction - all results of weapons and opium coming from Afghanistan.

Iran on the other hand accepted afghan refugees, too but limited and isolated them to their borders areas, didnt invite them into their cities unlike Pakistan and they were much better off.

Spread your lies else where. Mr the reality and truth won't change no matter how many lies are smeared at it.

 

[Hulk]

Well Kayani is right in demanding stopping Drone attacks in response US will demand operations in NW.

 

[SMC]

SMC, in one of the debates, we had before I got banned a dozen times, you have con-seeded that ISI uses terrorism to get its job done. Forget media, you have said the same things in as many words. Pakistan supporting Taliban in the 90s is just a small blip in front of what you yourself have admitted.

And India supported Mukhti Bahini and LTTE. What point are you trying to make or get at by saying the above? WE're talking about the recent allegations against ISI.

 

[jahangeer yousaf]

Well Kayani is right in demanding stopping Drone attacks in response US will demand operations in NW.

and as if kiyani gonna do it right away .....

 

[Aslan]

Maybe not but he sure must have called Mrs. Clinton before he decided to go public. Don't you think ?

Once a troll always a troll!

 

[monitor]

Are The Drone Attacks Over?

ISLAMABAD: Ever since condemnation of drone attacks by the chief of army staff last month there has been no Predator attack in the country during the past three weeks.

The CIA has been launching drone attacks on almost a daily basis but a substantial decrease was witnessed after the arrest of Raymond Davis, the CIA undercover agent who killed two Pakistanis in Lahore on January 27 this year. On the release of Raymond Davis, a major drone attack took place in the Dattakheil area of North Waziristan Agency that claimed the lives of over 40 civilians. The COAS General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani strongly condemned the drone attack.

The Conflict Monitoring Centre (CMC), a watchdog that closely monitors the drones and other anti-state militancy, says that ever since the COAS condemned the drone attacks, the CIA has stopped its drone operations in Pakistan.

A spokesman of the CMC also says that drone attack had almost dried up during Davis’s detention but soon after his release a major attack was conducted in North Waziristan which was condemned by General Kayani for the first time.

According to a Reuters’s report, a senior Pakistani intelligence officer was quoted as saying that joint US-Pakistan intelligence operations have been halted since late January. ‘Uneasy US-Pakistani ties have become even tenser after a string of diplomatic disputes so far this year, including a massive drone strike in March and the case of Raymond Davis, a CIA contractor who shot dead two Pakistanis on January 27 in Lahore’, Reuters reported.

It is worth mentioning here that drone campaign had killed 938 people in 132 attacks during the year 2010. On the average, each month of the last year witnessed 11 drone attacks and killings of 77 people. As such, there was no significant change in intensity of drone attacks in the New Year till Raymond Davis issue emerged. The US had intensified drone attack campaign since the beginning of the last year as the first month of the year 2010 had witnessed 12 drone attacks and killings of 107 persons. Earlier, 1,114 people were killed in 96 drone attacks from 2004 to 2009. An unprecedented increase in drone attacks was observed during the last four months of the year 2010. During this period, 451 people were killed in 51 drone attacks. On the average, each month 113 people were killed in 13 attacks. The number of attacks during the month of January 2011 showed no change in the intensity of the drone strikes.

The first US drone attack inside Pakistan was carried out against the Taliban commander Moulvi Naik Muhammad on June 18, 2004. It was the only attack during the year. There were only nine attacks reported from 2004 to 2007. Out of them, six were carried out in North Waziristan. President Bush had intensified the Drone campaign inside Pakistan during the last year of his tenure. Consequently, 34 such attacks and killing of 296 people were reported during the year 2008. It was expected that newly elected President Obama would review US drone policy. But he not only continued it but also intensified to the unprecedented level. US killed 709 people in 53 drone attacks in the year 2009. Due to weak public and government reaction to these attacks in Pakistan, the US government was encouraged to increase the intensity of drone attacks to unprecedented level in 2010 killing 938 people in 132 attacks. So far – from 2004 to April 10, 2011 – US drone campaign has killed at least 2,300 persons in 245 attacks in Pakistan.

 

[Riz]

Just in .............4 Dead in Drone attack in South waziristan...........

 

[Ahmad]

Just in .............4 Dead in Drone attack in South waziristan...........

when ?

 

[Ahmad]

Just in .............4 Dead in Drone attack in South waziristan...........

PESHAWAR: Six people died in first US drone strike on Wednesday after Pakistani intelligence chief General Shuja Pasha returned home holding important meeting with the CIA chief Leon panneta, DawnNews reported.

Pakistani intelligence officials said two US missile strikes have killed at least six people near the Afghan border.

The two strikes, which came minutes apart, hit a vehicle and a motorcycle in a forested area of South Waziristan.

The identities of those killed were not immediately clear.

The two officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

Such attacks are carried out by CIA, but Washington rarely acknowledges them.

Pakistan has officially protested such strikes, saying they violate its sovereignty and deepen anti-US sentiment in the country.

 

[53fd]

^^^ We knew very well that drone strikes wouldn't completely come to a halt, but I believe the ISI Chief's meeting in the US was to accomplish the following things:

1. Reduce the number of drone strikes

2. Limit/decrease the area in which the drone strikes are taking place (the US had been expanding the area of attack, which the Pakistani military did not like)

3. Share intelligence with Pakistan on the locations for future drone strikes (which they haven't done for a long time)

4. Reduce the number of CIA operatives in Pakistan

I believe the trip from the ISI chief to the US is indicative of the 'power struggle' between the ISI & CIA, & reflects on the ISI trying to gain the upper hand over the CIA. I think it is very clear from recent events that the ISI believes that objectives America has for the region are clearly not in the interests of Pakistan's long term stability.

 

[Guest01]

PESHAWAR: Six people died in first US drone strike on Wednesday after Pakistani intelligence chief General Shuja Pasha returned home holding important meeting with the CIA chief Leon panneta, DawnNews reported.

Pakistani intelligence officials said two US missile strikes have killed at least six people near the Afghan border.

The two strikes, which came minutes apart, hit a vehicle and a motorcycle in a forested area of South Waziristan.

The identities of those killed were not immediately clear.

The two officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

Such attacks are carried out by CIA, but Washington rarely acknowledges them.

Pakistan has officially protested such strikes, saying they violate its sovereignty and deepen anti-US sentiment in the country.

So in the light of this today's strike then. 12 pages of educated analysis down the drone.

 

[clmeta]

This is not the thread title I created. U.S. Drone attacks should never happen in Pakistan. Whoever allows U.S. (or any other country) to attack Pakistan even once, then that man is a traitor and should not be given respect by the Pakistani people.

For God's sake Pakistan is not Afghanistan or Iraq. Pakistan is a nuclear power and a nation with the 6th largest population and the 5th largest army in the world. We have a developed Air Force, a developed Navy, a developed Army. Then why a foreign country is attacking Pakistan and Pakistani generals and government officials are scared to stop it completely.

What do you mean pakistan is no Iraq or Afghanistan? Should drones be allowed on nations who don't have nucleur power and developed army??
the fact is Pakistan has created militants it has no control over. the whole word(including india) should learn a lesson here. Militants groups created by any state for short gains give long time pain. US and Pakistan know this best. India has tasted it too. (LTTE).

 

[clmeta]

And I guess COAS personally called you to tell you that.

Do you think America is firing these missiles without any consent from your army?
Does it happen anywhere in the world? Imagine what would happen if America fires missiles at say India, Iran or any country.
Who killed thugs like Baitulllah? American drones right? That's the reason your army doesn't oppose them. Fighting these criminals on ground is very costly and lead to a lot of army casualties. If Pakistan had something like drone, they would never have struck such a deal with US.

 

[Aslan]

Do you think America is firing these missiles without any consent from your army?
Does it happen anywhere in the world? Imagine what would happen if America fires missiles at say India, Iran or any country.
Who killed thugs like Baitulllah? American drones right? That's the reason your army doesn't oppose them. Fighting these criminals on ground is very costly and lead to a lot of army casualties. If Pakistan had something like drone, they would never have struck such a deal with US.

One should not assume when the knowledge is as limited as you have. Yes the drones have taken out some targets of Pakistani interest. The way it had happen is suspicious to start with, and the timing with in its self can be debated on. Why then why not when they were given the locations of the same roaches before. And why does it happen more often then not that the sames drones which are being operated under armies supervision end up killing more pro Pakistani tribesmen then the other way around.