Naofumi
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Lol, ad hominem. I expected it though.Your Indian origin shows your ignorance/cluelessness about the Arab world/Middle East, I see.
I did not said that every Syrian is an Arabified Arab, that would be a stupid assertation, given the centuries old migration of Arab tribes into the region. But they're markedly different from, say Yemenis - they're primarily Levantine.Arabs have an almost 3000 year old recorded history in Syria (853 BC). Arabs were recorded in what is modern-day Northern Syria during a battle between the Assyrian Empire and various allied Semitic city states and entities in what is modern-day Sham.
Arab created several kingdoms in what is today Syria millennia before the Rashidun. Ever heard about the Ghassanids who ruled Syria for 4 centuries prior to the Rashidun? About the Nabateans that ruled Southern Syria over 2000 years ago? About Philip the Arab, an Arab emperor from Southern Syria that ruled the Roman empire 400 years before the Rashidun?
Assyrian and Babylonian Royal Inscriptions and North Arabian inscriptions from 9th to 6th century BCE, mention the king of Qedar as king of the Arabs and King of the Ishmaelites.[90][91][92][93] Of the names of the sons of Ishmael the names "Nabat, Kedar, Abdeel, Dumah, Massa, and Teman" were mentioned in the Assyrian Royal Inscriptions as tribes of the Ishmaelites. Jesur was mentioned in Greek inscriptions in the 1st century BCE.[94]
Genetic tests on Syrians were included in many genetic studies.[51][52][53] The genetic marker which identifies descendants of the ancient Levantines is found in Syrians in high proportion.[54] Modern Syrians exhibit "high affinity to the Levant" based on studies comparing modern and ancient DNA samples.[55] Syrians cluster closely with ancient Levantine populations of the Neolithic and Bronze ages.[56] A Levantine ancestral genetic component was identified; it is estimated that the Levantine and the Arabian Peninsula/East African ancestral components diverged 23,700-15,500 years ago, while the divergence between the Levantine and European components happened 15,900-9,100 years ago.[57] The Levantine ancestral component is the most recurrent in Levantines (42–68%); the Arabian Peninsula/East African ancestral components represent around 25% of Syrian genetic make-up.[58][59]
The paternal Y-DNA haplogroups J1, which reaches its highest frequencies in Yemen 72.6% and Qatar 58.3%, accounted for 33.6% of Syrians.[60] The J2 group accounted for 20.8% of Syrians; other Y-DNA haplogroups includes the E1B1B 12.0%, I 5.0%, R1a 10.0% and R1b 15.0%.[53][61] The Syrians are closest to other Levantine populations: the Palestinians, Lebanese and Jordanians;[62] this closeness can be explained with the common Canaanite ancestry and geographical unity which was broken only in the twentieth century with the advent of British and French mandates.[63] Regarding the genetic relation between the Syrians and the Lebanese based on Y-DNA, Muslims from Lebanon show closer relation to Syrians than their Christian compatriots.[64] The people of Western Syria show close relation with the people of Northern Lebanon.[65]
Mitochondrial DNA shows the Syrians to have affinity with Europe; main haplogroups are H and R.[66] Based on Mitochondrial DNA, the Syrians, Palestinian, Lebanese and Jordanians form a close cluster.[67] Compared to the Lebanese, Bedouins and Palestinians, the Syrians have noticeably more Northern European component, estimated at 7%.[68] Regarding the HLA alleles, Syrians, and other Levantine populations, exhibit "key differences" from other Arab populations;[69] based on HLA-DRB1 alleles, Syrians were close to eastern Mediterranean populations, such as the Cretans and Lebanese Armenians.[70] Studying the genetic relation between Jews and Syrians showed that the two populations share close affinity.[71] Apparently, the cultural influence of Arab expansion in the Eastern Mediterranean in the seventh century was more prominent than the genetic influx.[72] However, the expansion of Islam did leave an impact on Levantine genes; religion drove Levantine Muslims to mix with other Muslim populations, who were close culturally despite the geographic distance, and this produced genetic similarities between Levantine Muslims and Moroccan and Yemeni populations. Christians and Druze became a genetic isolate in the predominantly Islamic world.[73]
I am not. I am stating a fact about the Mizrahi's worldview, you better go convince them to declare Israel as an Arab republic.You are pathetically trying to equate millennia old identities with some recent construct that began in 1947 and trying to claim that identical people (Arab Jews) whose only difference is their passport and religion (a closely fellow Semitic and Abrahamic religion native to the Arab world) suddenly makes Jewish Yemenis, identical genetically to their Arab brethren, magically turn into different people from the Yemeni Muslims. That is not how the world works.
I am informed but you see Turks will insist about their identity. Let me restate this, My primary argument is not who's who but who they think of themselves. Re-read this until it gets in your head.If they had lived in Turkey and intermarried for centuries upon centuries, that might have been the case but I want to inform you that there already exists an indigenous Arab community in Turkey that predates the Turkic migrations by millennia. Not to mention that modern day Turks have plenty of Arab/Semitic admixture as proven by DNA, in particular those in the South and East but not only.
If you've noticed, I replied to this statement originally.Not sure whether you are trolling (appears to be the case) but did I not write to you that the age of conquest is over and that political unification and unification as a whole can occur without conquest? Ever heard about how the UAE unified? Or Yemen in 1990? Or how Egypt and Syria joined hands to create a country? Or Jordan and Iraq? Or how Libya, Egypt and Syria joined hands in the 1970's officially?
Maybe you used the wrong word?It equals to KSA conquering Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Oman and Qatar.
Punajbi/Sindhis constitute the majority of the population of Pakistan.Native Pakistanis by a whole have little to do with Indians racially expect for Punjabis and Sindhis who only have a racial affinity with Indian Punjab and immediate neighboring regions. I think that practically every Pakistani user here will attest to that.
And these languages descended from Sanskrit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_peoples
And my point was Pakistanis won't call themselves an "Indic Republic", similarly Mizrahis won't declare Israel an Arab republic.