but what's the point...Either you are just frustrated and want to get it out on internet or you genuinely want to enter into a meaningful debate. I cannot think of another reason to get into a page long post. Since you consider whatever i have written as bable then what it makes you???
You exactly know what i am up to, so let's cut the chase.
Please read the post again. In your haste to hit the reply button you have missed some key points... We inducted MKI's way back in late 90's...may i know what counter you fielded??? Even our Mig21-Bisons were BVR capable when your top-notch knew nothing about BVR fight. In short with CSD in the background one cannot slip in matching the adversary if parity needs to be maintained irrespective of the economic conditions. Am i clear????
No you are not clear.
Man i never knew india, the mighty india, the having-superiority-in-every-field-of-defence-india can hold us from our balls and can make us do whatever it wants whenever it wants. Man, india can crush us with its air superiority, with its superior strategies and shinier weaponry darn they can do it with 9%-growing-every-year economy. Alas, they are just waiting for the ABM, and then they are all done, right?
Is that what you wanted to say, because that's the only thing i can make out of your above quoted post.
i wonder if india is indeed so strong and hefty in all spheres, what's stopping you from getting Kashmir back, stopping 'terrorists' from crossing over and taking over remainder of Siachen. i dont understand though, why would india need Obama's mouth to say Pakistan 'needs to control it's terrorist heavens'?
Also i dont know if MKIs and BVRs would solve the dud grenade problem of yours or if it would help decrease the night blindness of your Army.
When was the last time you increase your defence budget even when your country was in such a shabby economic condition??? Are you saying increase of almost 25-30% is steady increase??? Whom are you trying to fool xeric????
And who are you trying to fool, boy?
What exactly did we buy from the 25-30% hike in the budget? Even if we bought something what bearing exactly does that equipment have on your CSD? Who the fcuk are you trying to fool, while we fight a full fledged war in our West and increased more defence budget?!
I see you are a Think Tank....Are you thinking about only present??? Don't you think it is flawed???? I am not talking about 50 years from now...I am talking about next 5-10 years. This is very valid period from defense perspective. The big ticket items that i am talking about are not dreams. They are facts and work is in progress. You will have to start countering them now. If you think in 5 years Pakistan would become super-duper economy then i am sorry, such wishful thinking have no takers in real world...Yes such words look great in a forum....but you being a think tank and pretty offensive in your replies you should be a little careful about them. There is no point in mis-leading people...
^^ There's a fcuk lotta difference between 'thinking' 50 years ahead and taking steps that would give realization to your 50-years-ahead thinking.
india is making 155 its standard calibre, india is going100% mechanized soon, india is going to the biggest plane buyer in the world, man you would be welcome to BS me when india would actually do something to this effect and i have told this thing a 100 times to you guys. If that be the case then on the revelation of every modernization plan that country had nothing else to do other then sitting around watching the enemy die its own death! But then there's something know as being realistic and considering things that are tangible!
Ohhh comon Xeric. Don't talk nonsense here. what the hell you mean by surviving sanctions??? Who said India will eat Pakistan???
May be Op Prakaram and 2009 wanabe stand of was just a love bite.
i have already told the ways and means that you people would use to present yourselves as an angle.
Of course us being a bigger economy have more might to limit the impact of sanctions. You being a smaller economy will face the brunt of sanctions much more than us. Are you saying that sanctions did not impact Pak at all???? Are you going to be that naive????
Oh shyt, now it seems i am talking to some kid off the block.
i was referring to the sanctions post the A bomb explosions.
What the heck you mean by that the sanctions did not impact us? It did hurt us, we did suffer and we had problems, but that's not the issue. The issue is that we are still standing. Our F-16 still flew when the sanctions were imposed on spares and we still pull up Kargil.
We are having a bad time, BTW when was the last time we had a guud time?
When 2005 earthquake struck people said we'll just collapse. We halted the new GHQ construction, isnt it still underway now?
We faced dire power shortage, we have poor economy but arent we still committed on the Western border? Had things been so bad we must have packed our bags and came back to the barracks.
The war in the West, the CSD on the East and then the floods in the middle...mercy God mercy..!! But see, we still give you nightmares as evident from your leaders behavior during Obama's visit.
In short what i meant to say was that we survived and we still are surviving. We have seen the worst!
Exactly my point....In short with thriving economy and new geo-political might complemented with India's offensive doctorine like CSD you will have to do all that even more. As said you don't have luxury of time. Any mumbai like attack and no US can stop an Indian onslaught. This is reality. If you wanna ignore it be my guest
We'll see to that.
Like i said first you have to fulfill the two requirements that i wrote before another terrorist dares to attack india
Then stop reading BS. because you are not talking like a think tank here. What was the total expenditure for full-fledge deployment for Pakistan??? What was your GDP at that time??? Weren't you under sanctions at that time??? So in short it hurt you more than us....Are you denying that???? Nobody said that it will kill Pakistan, people just said it is going to hurt them more than us, which is reality....
It did hurt us, whois denying that. But as you probably are trying to portray that a hike in defence budget would (allegedly in response to CSD) would shatter Pakistan. No Sire, we would eat grass and still fund the military. Dont believe in what our uber-elites have to say on some blogs. We are sacrificing guud living standards since our inception and we still dont mind carry on like that. If you think otherwise you are quite mistaken.
Another BS. Are you saying Indians were not aware that you had a bomb???? B/W why 1999??? We had our first explosion in 1974 when you knew nothing about abc of nuclear bomb. So please keep such imaginary nonsense to yourself...
Duh..??
What's the point exactly?
Time has changed and every thing changes. Those who don't want to believe this end up being surprised. The reality is we are fine with status quo. Pakistan is just a nuisance to us and that's all. We are improving as we speak. One that was applicable 2 decades back is not applicable now...Please do a reality check.
If nuisances would commit majority of the armed forces both during peace and war (as it had and would in future), we would love to keep that status
BTW, that was such a U turn, sir.
Look i am not interested in games. I am just telling you that how CSD is going to dent your coffers. CSD, limited and two front wars are reality of South Asia. Anything above them is complete destruction....So these concepts are very real. Now are you capable to match the new threats i will leave it for you to decide. As far as i am concerned i am working hard so teach enemy a good lesson in case they comit something grave....
Like i always say, CSD has is spread over us like a cancer, and we wont survive it the next instance. Happy?
Please make up you mind first. What's exactly your stance:
1-There's no CSD, it never existed.
or
2-CSD would be Pakistan's end if another attack happens.
or
3-CSD is a 'brilliant' psyops shyt against Pakistan.
or
4-Or you are just another confused soul mixing it up all over and shifting the poles as it suits the discussion?
It is absurd that you are totally ignoring the numerical superiority that we always enjoyed over you. It is absurd that you are ignoring 126 top-notch fighters as few MRCA's and other big ticket items. Moreover it is highly absurd that you are rejecting that all this will put a big hole in your budget.
Man, i are you nuts or what?
Since when Pakistan had anything more than india?
Nor do i remember Pakistan spending a lower share of GDP over defence, so then what's fuss about? We as a Nation are burdened by the defence expenditures, but that's not our worry; the question is, is the Nation willing to allow more expenditure on defence even at crucial times? If yes, then you people are screwed!
Xeric, time is changing. You guys are ignoring India's rising geo-political might. These days countries are talking about giving us permanent seat in UNSC something that we could not even dream about 2 decades back....Think mr think tank, think....
Lolz...india has been leaning towards this status since the day i learned to read, and you have portrayed as if its something new out of the box. Listen Mr, till the time we are holding the US from its balls, you aint getting a tosh. think mr not-a-think-tank!
The US is up for pleasing you but it wont do take a such that would cause sudden and dire imbalance in the region. Making a step child out of three nuclear powers in the region is as stupid as it can get.
No man, there is not going to be any terrorist attacks. and if at all you will see action. There should not be any two thoughts on this one....
i wish i see some action against you people before i shed away the khaki! It's been quite a while since i moved back from the LoC.
Xeric make up your mind. There is a common saying that common sense is not common. Now either you are thinking that Yanks are fools or you are making a fool out of yourself. If this is common sense that till Yanks are there India cannot dare to move a single tank on your side then how are you using CSD as a tool to push back US pressure on moving troops???? Look US is a super-power and there is no denying the fact but saying that US can arm-twist India when it comes to foreign policy is just empty rhetoric. Do i need to remind you the stark difference b/w what Obama said prior to Indian tour and in Indian Parliament?? What you and many Pakistani members here ignore is the ever increasing geo-political might of India...No offense but India is not Pakistan that can be forced to have a U turn on foreign policy by a mere call....
No doubts that you have displayed more restraint then Pakistan in dealing with the yanks, but then they know who to keep you tied up. We'll see if you people can do a single thing other than fiery speeches, absurd and aggressive statements and virtual threats till the time the US is stuck in Afg and i;ll again say, it doesnt require a brain to figure this out.
Imagine, you people fingering us one more time and we moving our entire forces towards East and the WoT goes for a six. How not so charming. i am sure those high ups of yours sure have a brain to make use of.
Like i said, there aint happening a 'terrorist' attack in india till the time the US is dependent upon our support.
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