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Khorramshahr multi warhead ballistic missile

Who has told you that Russia won't sell SU-30? Babak from twitter? We don't know the terms of the deal. But at the very least Iran wants production license in Iran. Maybe Russia is not willing to offer that.

Second of all does Iran even have the money for a major arms deal? Look around everything it is buying is being financed or having to loan from another institution. Furthermore, how serious is Iran even about upgrading its air force? Up till early 2000's Iran could have bought A LOT of things from Russia including a brand new airforce. Never materialized.

And the S-300 Deal is from precisely the time period when Russia was appeasing the West like I mentioned prior. Times have changed. Even Iran generals said Russia offered S-400 but they rejected it.

And no one says that Russia is building missiles for Iran, my point was that Russia could have supplied blueprints or technicians to North Korea to help it close bottlenecks in development and subsequently North Korea shared information via Iran on new design.

And again no one said that North Korea and Iran are nothing without China/Russia. You are just ignorant and fail to accept that both countries got help on their missile programs.



Again no solid proof that Russia won't sell Iran 4th gen fighters especially considering most of the region is loaded up on 4th gen fighters and Israel will have 5th gen soon. 4th gen fighters are probably not "game changers" especially if limited numbers.

Iran is not serious about funding its airforce and the amount of planes required to overhaul its airforce in a significant way raises questions about if they even have the money to fund such an acquisition.

Furthermore, Russia came in to syria for a variety of reasons including self interest. But if Russia did not come into Syria at the request of Solemani and Quds....at best Assad would have kept the coastal areas and Damascus and at worst would have lost everything. So if weakening Iran was Russia's first and most important interest they never would have entered Syria and at worst lost a antique small naval base. Iran is now much more powerful having won the Syria Civil war. It will reap rewards for its backing from Assad and will have solidified gains across the Middle East.

So again times change...now does this mean Russia and iran are going to best friends and Russia is going to give fancy toys to Iran for free? No, that's not how the world of geopolitics gets played.

Furthermore, my point was that Russia could have played a part in North Korea development and subsequently from NK shared information with Iran due to them being close on missile development. I didn't imply (or mean to) say that Russia came to Iran and magically offered them advanced missile tech. The more likely route is some form of assistance to Korea that somehow made its way back to Iran. Again I acknowledge that this could be completely false, not presenting it as fact. The purpose was to open discussion on the fast track of development.
TO be fair. Iran should have like 100billion in freed funds after sanctions are removed, and additionally, I think Russia will seel Su-30's to Iran, but Iran doesn't want em, they are not good enough for future threat assessments, and Russia won't sell anything higher. Additionally why would you use your own money for invesment when you can use other people money from credit lines. If iran wants to build up its airforce to what it used to be, they can with money. But it's obvious Airforce is not a priority
 
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A dream come true if these can be smacked off of submarines
Well I don't think it is quite that simple. The NKs may have developed the Musudan from the R-27 SLBM, but they lengthened it. So it might not fit.

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Furthermore, Russia came in to syria for a variety of reasons including self interest. But if Russia did not come into Syria at the request of Solemani and Quds....at best Assad would have kept the coastal areas and Damascus and at worst would have lost everything. So if weakening Iran was Russia's first and most important interest they never would have entered Syria and at worst lost a antique small naval base. Iran is now much more powerful having won the Syria Civil war. It will reap rewards for its backing from Assad and will have solidified gains across the Middle East.
Russian base in Syria is strategic for Russia and it is all Russia has in Mediterranean and Arab world... They were to protect it anyway... but ,at first, with the size and speed of terrorist invasion and developments in Syria, they were in doubt and would have preferred to negotiate with rebels to secure her base in Syria even without Assad but then Iran's soleimani goes there and CONVINCE Putin that we can wrap this chaos up and get everything back in order if Russia acts now and with Iran and we all know that this was a winning decision and Russia is way in a better position than 6 years ago regarding both safe guarding their base in Syria and global geopolitics.

You are talking about solid proof for Russia not selling any strategic weapon to Iran, let alone the 4th gen Su-30SMs... Well, the proof is that Iran is in utter need of modernization of its air force fleet and Russia is the only option and yet after years and years of rumors we have nothing...not even a simple negotiation is on going... while they easily and quickly sell such weapons and better ones to other not even as friendly and as ally as Iran countries... For this you don't need to be an expert... I think Iran gave up on Russia and China a long time ago in the strategic level and this is why Iran is investing heavy on missile forces and other alternatives... If you ask me, I say no foreign producer will ever sell any airforce equipment to Iran..not now and not in 20 years... Iran is all alone and needs to work it out itself... I also have great optimism that under the force of desperateness Iran will eventually make its own advanced fighter jets... meanwhile, strategic missile forces, irregular local allies are alternatives that Iran will master even harder...
 
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Khorramshahr - A Quantum Leap In Iranian Missile Technology

Saturday, September 23, 2017

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The recent Khorramshahr unveiling at the parade, the IRGC Commander Hajizadeh's statements, and the test footage have given us a raft of information and clues.
What do we know about Khorramshahr?

Surprisingly, quite a lot.

By looking at the images from the parade, we can observe that the Khorramshahr is almost certainly made in cooperation with North Korea, given its similarity to the HS-10 and the R-27 "Zyb" SLBM the HS-10 is based on. From this we can ascertain a bunch of things, like a diameter of 1.5 metres, engine type, fuel etc.

The commander said the Khorramshahr has a 2000 km range with a 1.8 ton payload, and can carry MIRVs.

From certain screenshots we can glean that there were actually 2 tests. In the below image, we can see differences in the sky, with a clear sky in the top image and clouds in the lower image. There is also a lack of mountains in the background, though that maybe be because of air quality. Furthermore, although both tests were in the same location, the first image depicts the exact TEL launch position further away from the windsock than the second image (it is not visible in the screenshot, but can be seen in the video).





Although the US claimed there was a failed test, at least 1 of the tests was a success, though because of the way the video was shot we can't tell which. This can be seen in the last few seconds of the below video, where the warhead is seen hitting the ground, with the man saying "Allahu Akbar" and "Mashallah", indicating a good test (though I concede that this may be the voice of simply a cameraman or non-technician). Again, I've given the link instead of embedding, because blogger is iffy with videos.


Perhaps obviously, the Khorramshahr is a liquid fuel missile, just like the R-27 and HS-10. And the clean burn indicates good fuel, almost certainly the UDMH/N2O4 mix used in the R-27, and recently, the Simorgh SLV.

We can also observe a few differences between Khorramshahr and the HS-10. The most obvious difference is the lack of folding Russian style grid fins to stabilise the missile in the launch phase.
What are the implications?

Absolutely enormous.

For one thing, the Khorramshahr in effect has a longer range than just 2000 km. It just does. Iran has gone very, very far with its political 2000 km limit to the point that it gives the Khorramshahr a 1.8 ton warhead to justify the 2000 km range, much larger than the 1 ton warhead in the Shahab-3 and the 650/750 kg warhead in the Emad and Sejjil. Though, in my opinion, they shouldn't have publicly released the warhead weight if they wanted to remain ambiguous and not give the Israelis and Americans any material to scare the Europeans with. Nevertheless, the significant throw weight can allow for impressive payloads that can contain MIRV, jammers, decoys, high grade guidance equipment, and other ABM evasion technology.

Khorramshahr is, in my opinion, an ABM killer. If given very accurate guidance technology, its MIRV tech, combined with a possible lofted trajectory granting higher speed, can make it a huge problem for Israeli and Saudi ABMs, especially given Saudi's recent interest in the THAAD. Alternatively, it can be used to penetrate highly defended areas to hit HVTs (High Value Targets), if precision is not sufficient to hit something as small as an ABM radar or TEL.

I've heard some doubt as to whether the Khorramshahr's 1.5 metre diameter is too small for MIRVs. To which I say:



R-27U SLBM, with fairing removed to reveal 3 MIRVs

Speaking of the diameter, this is the first Iranian missile with a larger diameter than 1.25 metres. The Simorgh - though not a missile - has a large diameter, but that has cluster of 4 Nodong engines. This has a single main engine, with a few steering engines. This shows Iranian liquid fuel rocket engine technology has advanced significantly from the Nodong series. The Khorramshahr's engine can be used in more advanced SLVs that could launch heavier, military grade Iranian satellites. In fact, there is evidence the HS-10's steering engine is used in the Simorgh. The Khorramshahr's main engine can also be used in more advanced missile designs.

The 1.5 metres diameter and shorter length of the Khorramshahr also lends itself to easier storage and transportation. It also seems to fit on the standard Iranian MRBM TELs, though they may require some modification. This is great news for cost savings and interoperability. Iran doesn't have to manufacture a whole new type of TEL to accommodate 1 missile type.

One would initially assume that the failed test is shown in the video. However, the Americans say it exploded. In the video, not only do we see an angular jet that could be a steering engine, but for a brief moment we can see this engine straighten out or shut down, indicating nothing more than a course correction. There is no explosion. The "jink" is seen from the ground, but from the quadrant of flight cameras we can see the jet. The straightening out/shut down is at 1 min 21 seconds in the video at the link:


The moment of the possible steering engine shutdown

Puzzlingly, an annotation at the quadrant section showing the angular jet says the depicted section of the video is the warhead separation. However, we do not see the warhead separate. Maybe the annotation is wrong, or the video doesn't show the actual separation, just the procedure before it.

The lack of fins is a huge plus. It indicates Iran is now sufficiently advanced with TVC technology, and increases both range and speed.

Conclusion

Khorramshahr is another example of Iranian-North Korean cooperation. As usual, North Korea goes ahead and deploys the product earlier. But Iran spends more time refining it, and comes up with a better design. North Korea has had a lot of failed tests with the HS-10, but Iran appears to have gotten a successful test already, and improved the design by removing the grid fins. The same case was with the Nodong series. North Korea had the Nodong. Now Iran has turned the Nodong into a much refined missile with a MaRV, called the Emad, able to evade ABMs and grant greater accuracy.

UPDATE

A video has emerged on Twitter showing the warhead separation from the missile body, taken by the onboard cameras.


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As you can see 3 of the squares turn blue and say "loss". I think this means the top left square is showing the missile body falling back from the warhead, the camera in the top left being attached to the warhead itself. This indicates that the power supply is in the warhead itself, and when cut off from the missile body, the cameras stop working. This is good, as it proves there is very likely a terminal guidance system. A turn is also made by the warhead, pointing the business end towards the direction of travel.
 
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Let me add the following to Amirs article:
The truck TELs real reason is not cost or easy development and production.

The real reason is that in war conditions for every real Khorramshahr TEL team, there will be 10 other fake ones, indistinguishable for the enemy. This mean nothing else than the need for 10 times higher resources to counter it...
Footprint is the key reason.
So a 10x10 Zoljanah TEL may add off-road capability, but it's not worth it, it just looks cooler...
 
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Any chance North Korea and Iran can do a simultaneous , testing just coordinated test
Just for #DOTARD sake

I just wanted to see what will happen if North Korea / Iran do a Nuclear Test almost coordinated at same time

thank you
 
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Congratulations to Iran on this milestone ... Our Ababeel say, WELCOME TO THE CLUB BRO :)
 
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Russian base in Syria is strategic for Russia and it is all Russia has in Mediterranean and Arab world... They were to protect it anyway... but ,at first, with the size and speed of terrorist invasion and developments in Syria, they were in doubt and would have preferred to negotiate with rebels to secure her base in Syria even without Assad but then Iran's soleimani goes there and CONVINCE Putin that we can wrap this chaos up and get everything back in order if Russia acts now and with Iran and we all know that this was a winning decision and Russia is way in a better position than 6 years ago regarding both safe guarding their base in Syria and global geopolitics.

You are talking about solid proof for Russia not selling any strategic weapon to Iran, let alone the 4th gen Su-30SMs... Well, the proof is that Iran is in utter need of modernization of its air force fleet and Russia is the only option and yet after years and years of rumors we have nothing...not even a simple negotiation is on going... while they easily and quickly sell such weapons and better ones to other not even as friendly and as ally as Iran countries... For this you don't need to be an expert... I think Iran gave up on Russia and China a long time ago in the strategic level and this is why Iran is investing heavy on missile forces and other alternatives... If you ask me, I say no foreign producer will ever sell any airforce equipment to Iran..not now and not in 20 years... Iran is all alone and needs to work it out itself... I also have great optimism that under the force of desperateness Iran will eventually make its own advanced fighter jets... meanwhile, strategic missile forces, irregular local allies are alternatives that Iran will master even harder...

That base you refer to prior to civil war was an obsolete small rundown naval port, hardly the strategic naval base a global power would use. It was rotting away and was used ocasionally By Russia. Nothing strategic about it other than its location.

The syrian conflict Russia felt it had nothing to do with themselves and thus didn't want to get involved and risk Russian lives. Solemani convinced Russia that they could keep losses at a minimum by just bringing in the airforce and letting Iran be the boots on the ground. Putin then thought this would be a good time to test Russian airforce readiness using training funds and at the same time show Russia is a power on the main stage. Thus Russia entered the fray to the worlds surprise. Or else Russia would let Syria fall like it let Saddam fall like it Ghadaffi fall.

The only reason Solemani went to russia is because IRGC finally learned after 3 decades it needed an airforce to win the war. They were stubborn about this, but mounting losses by IRGC, Hezbollah, and Shiite miltias finally made them realize what they probably knew all along. Air power was needed.

As much as users here like to blame Russia and China for Iran's military hardware problems they should also take a look at Iran. Iran's military much like the pillars of its society is mafia based with corruption rampant and power circles all preaching their own point.

Iran may say it would like an airforce but sometimes that is just talk and they make unrealistic demands to China and Russia that they know are going to be rejected or they say we don't like the quality of this country's fighter. All excuses. When Iran was serious about air defense we saw how quickly they upgraded their air defense systems as well As radars. Same applies to Air Force, if Iran is truly serious about upgrading airforce they would make changes.

But if the IRGC learned anything from the Syrian civil war it should be that Air Force is absolutely critical even when going up against asymmetrical force. I think that's why you have seen IRGC develop an airforce division and why F-313 suddenly revived. The IRGC needs close air support planes for future conflicts.
 
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it's not for Iranian missile but for NK H10 , link
thx

That base you refer to prior to civil war was an obsolete small rundown naval port, hardly the strategic naval base a global power would use. It was rotting away and was used ocasionally By Russia. Nothing strategic about it other than its location.

The syrian conflict Russia felt it had nothing to do with themselves and thus didn't want to get involved and risk Russian lives. Solemani convinced Russia that they could keep losses at a minimum by just bringing in the airforce and letting Iran be the boots on the ground. Putin then thought this would be a good time to test Russian airforce readiness using training funds and at the same time show Russia is a power on the main stage. Thus Russia entered the fray to the worlds surprise. Or else Russia would let Syria fall like it let Saddam fall like it Ghadaffi fall.

The only reason Solemani went to russia is because IRGC finally learned after 3 decades it needed an airforce to win the war. They were stubborn about this, but mounting losses by IRGC, Hezbollah, and Shiite miltias finally made them realize what they probably knew all along. Air power was needed.

As much as users here like to blame Russia and China for Iran's military hardware problems they should also take a look at Iran. Iran's military much like the pillars of its society is mafia based with corruption rampant and power circles all preaching their own point.

Iran may say it would like an airforce but sometimes that is just talk and they make unrealistic demands to China and Russia that they know are going to be rejected or they say we don't like the quality of this country's fighter. All excuses. When Iran was serious about air defense we saw how quickly they upgraded their air defense systems as well As radars. Same applies to Air Force, if Iran is truly serious about upgrading airforce they would make changes.

But if the IRGC learned anything from the Syrian civil war it should be that Air Force is absolutely critical even when going up against asymmetrical force. I think that's why you have seen IRGC develop an airforce division and why F-313 suddenly revived. The IRGC needs close air support planes for future conflicts.
Then what advise do you have on how Iran should Modernize its airforce? It can take a decade to develop a new up to date Aircraft which they are trying to do and Russia and China refuse to sell them the latest Aircraft
 
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boss they can use smaller rv's as they don't have nuclear loads (yet)... but they are perfecting the tech which is great
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They can mount conventional bombs of smaller dia. While we cannot reduce or increase Nuclear warhead Dia without extensive design changes which take years.
 
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