Featured KF-X's New Customer May Be Egypt

[IblinI]

@Tai Hai Chen

replying to your post that J-20 is superior to TX-F.. Not even F-35s is superior to TX-F what makes you think J-20 is superior then TX-F

@MMM-E

Why are we even comparing when one isn't even flying yet, not even a prototype being built.

 

[MMM-E]

South Korea built FA-50 since early 2000s and even today they can't make KF-21 fly. Turkey never built anything and TF-X is far more sophisticated than KF-21. It's a simple math.

10 years ago Nobody expected so great performance from Turkish Defense İndustry for UCAV technologies

as of 2020 Turkey was become Drone Super Power in the World with The US , İsrael and China
( TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI ... also TB-3 and MIUS are coming )
Combat proven Turkish UCAV technology

even in 2022 Turkish AKINCI UCAV will be the best turboprob UCAV in the World

low quality Chinese UCAVs not even close
same situation could be similar to Fighter Jet comparison ... we will see what will happen in 2030




btw Turkish Aerospace Industries to start manufacturing the indigenous advanced light attack Jet at the end of this year

-- work on HURJET started in august 2017
-- the conceptual design was completed in april 2018
-- the preliminary design and critical design activities ended in July 2019 and february 2021
-- to start manufacturing of first prototype in december 2021
-- the first flight in december 2022
-- to start mass production in 2025-2026


HURJET advanced light attack Jet

Length : 14 m
Height : 4.2 m
Wingspan : 9,8 m
Wing area : 24 m2
Max speed : mach 1.4
Service ceiling : 13.716 m (45,000ft)
Payload capacity : 2.721 kg
Range : 2,222km (1,200nm)

The HÜRJET will be able to perform +8G/-3G maneuvers and will be capable of sustaining 5.5Gs at an altitude of 15,000ft and up to mach 0.9 speed

able to perform a Close Air Support (CAS) role

 

[Wilhelm II]

I am not talking about Egyptian F-16 and Rafale ... ( USA and France dont sell BVR missiles to Egypt )
S.Korean KF-21 also will use American AIM-120 BVR air to air missile


I am talking about Turkish TF-X air superiority Fighter Jet armed with 100+ km GOKDOGAN BVR air to air missiles and 275 km SOM-J air launched Cruise Missile for the Egyptian Air Force in 2030s

no need permission from anyone

You don't know mica is bvr or you don't know Egypt have mica
No wonder always you wrong

 

[MMM-E]

You don't know mica is bvr or you don't know Egypt have mica
No wonder always you wrong

60 km MICA has no any chance against İsraeli Airforce 120km AIM-120C7 and 100+ km I-DERBY-ER

Turkish GOKDOGAN BVR also will have range of 100-120 km in near future
and Turkish F-16s armed with 120km AIM-120C7 BVR air to air Missiles


good luck with your 60km MICA ......

 

[Wilhelm II]

I am not talking about Egyptian F-16 and Rafale ... ( USA and France dont sell BVR missiles to Egypt )
S.Korean KF-21 also will use American AIM-120 BVR air to air missile


I am talking about Turkish TF-X air superiority Fighter Jet armed with 100+ km GOKDOGAN BVR air to air missiles and 275 km SOM-J air launched Cruise Missile for the Egyptian Air Force in 2030s

no need permission from anyone

You don't know mica is bvr or you don't know Egypt have mica
No wonder always you wrong

60 km MICA has no any chance against İsraeli Airforce 120km AIM-120C7 and 100+ km I-DERBY-ER

Turkish GOKDOGAN BVR also will have range of 100-120 km
and Turkish F-16s armed with 120km AIM-120C7 BVR air to air Missiles


good luck with your 60km MICA ......

Looooool
You even don't know mica range is 80 km not 60 km
No need to more
That shows your claims credit

 

[MMM-E]

You don't know mica is bvr or you don't know Egypt have mica
No wonder always you wrong

Looooool
You even don't know mica range is 80 km not 60 km
No need to more
That's shows your claims credit

MICA-RF has range of up to 60km .. not 80 km

MICA Air-to-Air Missile System - Airforce Technology

Missile d’Interception, de Combat et d’Autodéfense (MICA) is a solid propellant-fuelled, multi-mission, air-to-air missile that can be integrated onto medium-to-lightweight,…

www.airforce-technology.com

MBDA MICA

weaponsystems.net

ignorant boys also says we have 110 km R-77 on Egyptian MIG-29M2
in reality 80 km RVV-AE ( export variant of R77 )

 

[Wilhelm II]

MICA-RF has range of up to 60km .. not 80 km

MICA Air-to-Air Missile System - Airforce Technology

Missile d’Interception, de Combat et d’Autodéfense (MICA) is a solid propellant-fuelled, multi-mission, air-to-air missile that can be integrated onto medium-to-lightweight,…

www.airforce-technology.com

MBDA MICA

weaponsystems.net

ignorant boys also says we have 110 km R-77 on Egyptian MIG-29M2
in reality 80 km RVV-AE ( export variant of R77 )

Finally you googled something
80 km Wikipedia
An ignorant boy always say we have bla bla and bla bla and no one can do any bla bla with us
That boy is boring and need to stay out of Arabic threads just for his mind health

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

10 years ago Nobody expected so great performance from Turkish Defense İndustry for UCAV technologies

as of 2020 Turkey was become Drone Super Power in the World with The US , İsrael and China
( TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI ... also TB-3 and MIUS are coming )
Combat proven Turkish UCAV technology

even in 2022 Turkish AKINCI UCAV will be the best turboprob UCAV in the World

low quality Chinese UCAVs not even close
same situation could be similar to Fighter Jet comparison ... we will see what will happen in 2030




btw Turkish Aerospace Industries to start manufacturing the indigenous advanced light attack Jet at the end of this year

-- work on HURJET started in august 2017
-- the conceptual design was completed in april 2018
-- the preliminary design and critical design activities ended in July 2019 and february 2021
-- to start manufacturing of first prototype in december 2021
-- the first flight in december 2022
-- to start mass production in 2025-2026


HURJET advanced light attack Jet

Length : 14 m
Height : 4.2 m
Wingspan : 9,8 m
Wing area : 24 m2
Max speed : mach 1.4
Service ceiling : 13.716 m (45,000ft)
Payload capacity : 2.721 kg
Range : 2,222km (1,200nm)

The HÜRJET will be able to perform +8G/-3G maneuvers and will be capable of sustaining 5.5Gs at an altitude of 15,000ft and up to mach 0.9 speed

able to perform a Close Air Support (CAS) role
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Are you seriously comparing a prop drone with a high end 5th gen jet? Israel can make a prop drone since decades ago. So can Iran. Yet they cannot make a high end 5th gen jet.

 

[MMM-E]

Are you seriously comparing a prop drone with a high end 5th gen jet? Israel can make a prop drone since decades ago. So can Iran. Yet they cannot make a high end 5th gen jet.

You said that Turkey has zero experience to develop Fighter Jet
I said that Turkey also had zero experience to develop UCAV but in 10 years Turkey was become Drone super power in the world ( only USA , İsrael , Turkey and China )

so in 2030 Turkey will have its own TF-X Fighter Jet too


btw dont compare Turkey with İranian low quality weapons and cheap Persian propaganda
and İsrael can develop 5th gen Fighter Jet but The US blocked İsrael even to produce 4th gen Fighter Jet

( never forget that İsrael gave J10 technology to China via LAVI )

Israeli LAVI from 1987

 

[MMM-E]

80 km Wikipedia

wikipedia is shit

all military websites says MICA-RF has range of up to 60km

I am saying again
ignorant boys like you also said that we have 110 km R-77 on Egyptian MIG-29M2
in reality 80 km RVV-AE ( export variant of R77 )

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

We have russian and French BVRs

Bro, given the amount of money Egypt has been spending on such purchases, I was curious about the resources being spent on the domestic defence industry.

Does Egypt have any internal projects going on for fighter jet program given the massive numbers it maintains?

Thanks

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

( never forget that İsrael gave J10 technology to China via LAVI )

modern J-10 is nothing like early J-10

 

[Wilhelm II]

wikipedia is shit

Not good excuse

Salaam




Bro, given the amount of money Egypt has been spending on such purchases, I was curious about the resources being spent on the domestic defence industry.

Does Egypt have any internal projects going on for fighter jet program given the massive numbers it maintains?

Thanks

Alaikum u salaam brother
Don't worry about money Egyptian economy is growing we have money
In this modern days fighter jet project is very very expensive and hard issue
Buying is cheaper for Egypt

 

[Zarvan]

The way Egypt is on buying spree sorry but I now seriously believe in another conflict with Israel. Egyptian Air Force will fail miserably. Three new types of fighters jet like Rafale and SU 35 and one other plane is more then enough specially if they are with BVR. This gathering of 6 to 7 different jets will only create more trouble. Plus Egypt has very focus on AWACS and EW planes.

 

[Wasteland]

I just wanted to clarify something, Egypt's F-16s do not lack BVR capabilities, in fact, the BVR capabilities are pretty decent, the AIM-7P Sparrow has a range of 70km, the earlier version of the missile 'AIM-7M' scored many kills in the Gulf War, out of 44 missiles fired, 30 (68.2%) hit their targets, 19 kills were obtained beyond visual range

Wayback Machine

AIM-7P is an upgraded version of the AIM-7M from Gulf War, with improved guidance and improved resistance to countermeasures and jamming, the AIM-7Ps have technology from the AMRAAM missiles, such as the midcourse datalink guidance:

BAe Active Skyflash and AIM-120 AMRAAM

Active Skyflash, AIM-120, AMRAAM, BVR

www.ausairpower.net

AIM-7 Sparrow

www.globalsecurity.org

"The AIM-7 Sparrow missile is a medium-range, all-weather, all-aspect, semi-active guided missile used in multiple roles by multiple services. Performance improvements in this combat-proven system include look-down, shoot-down in heavy clutter environments and much lower altitude engagement. Additionally, it is more time immune to the ever challenging countermeasures threat."

F/A-18 Air Dominance | Raytheon

With more than 35 years' experience supporting the F/A-18 Hornet, Super Hornet and the E/A-18G Growler, Raytheon's technology experts know that today's multi-role aircraft require multi-role technology to maintain combat superiority. From radars and electronic warfare to targeting pods and...

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Many countries still operate AIM-7! Even countries that have AMRAAMs such as Turkey and the US, they still use the AIM-7s along with the AMRAAMs! For example you will still see the AIM-7s are still used on F-18 Hornets in US navy!

Marvin to provide 770 sidewinder and AMRAAM air-to-air missile launchers for Navy F/A-18 combat jet

Electrical interfaces between LAU-127 and F/A-18 air crew also supports preflight orientation and control circuits to prepare and launch the missiles.

www.militaryaerospace.com

Of course all of that still doesn't mean that Egypt's F-16s are not at a disadvantage! they do have a disadvantage when it comes to the range of engagement, but it's not that big of a deal as some make it out to be! And it can be compensated for with tactics! Some of you even went as far as saying the F-16's are only good for ground attack! because instead of having a 100km range AMRAAM they rely on a 70km range AIM-7!

220 F-16's with AIM-7P Sparrows (90's technology btw) are still very capable of defensive and even offensive action, and taking into consideration all the defensive measures, warning systems, and everything fighter aircraft are equipped with today, including the limitations of the radar to actually pick up the target from a long distance, it will be easy to overcome the range disadvantage. The only real disadvantage is the Fire And Forget capability, missiles like AMRAAM which provide the capability to engage multiple targets simultaneously (if fired within the 20km fire and forget range), but otherwise AMRAAMs require radar lock from the launching aircraft until the missile is within the active seeker range. And Egypt does have the fire and forget capability for Mirage 2000, Mig-29 and Rafale, they only lack it in the large F-16 fleet.

Bottom line is, the US didn't deny Egypt BVR capabilities for their F-16 fleet, they do have BVR capability, but Egypt was denied the capability to engage multiple targets simultaneously, that's the reason Egypt was denied AMRAAMs, not to limit their engagement range, but to restrict their ability for major offensive action, you are not allowed to focus on 2 or more jets at once, you are only allowed to focus on 1. And again, this only applies if the target is within the active seeker range on the AMRAAM (20km), otherwise AMRAAM requires radar lock just like any semi-active radar homing missile.