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My fellow Indians, I have called the fire department, all Indians that are on fire from this truth, just hang on, help is on the way for you and also for the Kashmiri Freedom Movement Oppressors. Do not forget to use anti-burn cream and some red cillies on top. Hope you feel better.
 
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You quoted the same man who went to war to prevent secession and to preserve the Territorial Integrity of America and in the process denied the Right of Self Determination to the Confedarate states.

A rich irony and good role model for India to emulate :rolleyes:

The war was centered over slavery... no need to omit facts to suit your propagandist agenda.:rolleyes:
 
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Well Indian government follow really good method to ignore her :rofl: Bechari

No free attention for her

@ Pakistani members we dnt want to arrest her dnt wary ..... After criticizing India she can still live in India thts the democracy and freedom of speech


Jai Hind :tup:

Freedom is allowed by the Pakistani Defence Forum alone and not any source in India can match that. You get banned in one day, if Pakistanis express their opinions on Indian Defence Forums, so do not get me started on the freedom in India.
 
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The Jammu and Kashmir situation: What after the Obama visit? (Part 1) | National News

New Delhi, Nov.15 : A question frequently asked in Jammu and Kashmir is where do we (India) go from here. An equally valid question in the Valley now is where do the separatists go from here.

The Obama visit was being looked upon with anticipation of some major development, as the climax of the five month long agitation. It was supposed to have put the Kashmir issue firmly on the international map and drowned India in a chorus of opprobrium led by the world’s most powerful man. Net result would have been to force India to start talking about conceding Azadi.

The people had been led to believe that since Obama had talked about Kashmir in the run-up to the presidential elections in 2008, he would, on Indian soil, certainly articulate his vision about it.

Instead, Obama came; he praised India to high heaven, offered a global partnership and a seat on the high table of the UNSC. In the bargain he took back badly needed jobs for the US economy and talked about human rights in Burma.

Salt was rubbed on their wounds when Obama expressed support for India’s membership of the Security Council despite the separatist chat of non-implementation of the UN resolutions on plebiscite in Kashmir

The Valley was stunned, the separatist leaders even more so. They were embarrassed at having been found out, at having led the ordinary people up the garden path, at having disrupted their lives, causing huge economic losses and worse, causing the death of 111, mostly young, people. There is a palpable sense of disillusionment and betrayal with the separatists.

he people of the Valley are now asking searching questions and demanding answers from the separatists. Quite suddenly even the tech-savvy faceless Facebookers seem to have faded, leaving the masses in the lurch just like the separatists have left them.

The separatists have a tough time in trying to explain why Obama did not comment about the 111 deaths since June 11 while he waxed eloquent about Burma. Not a word of sympathy for those who had lost loved ones?

Clinging to morsels, the separatists are flogging the point, indeed celebrating it, that Obama recognized Kashmir as a long-standing dispute that needed to be resolved. Geelani credited this to the recent uprising and the sacrifices made by the people in the last five months. Mirwaiz, with his two lakh signatures seeking US intervention, saw in this as a sign of US facilitation. Yasin Malik welcomed the statement as helping in the resolution of the dispute.

But the people are aghast that this response to a question was being touted as a victory by the separatists. 111 deaths for a mere reiteration of a long-standing US position and too, in reply to a question? Did so many have to die for this? People are openly questioning if so many sacrifices and such massive economic loss was needed only for this statement.

Worse, it has not escaped notice, that Obama underlined that the starting point of the Indo-Pak dialogue should not be ‘that particular flashpoint” (i.e. Kashmir), echoing the consistent Indian position. He also made it clear that the US was not interested in unsolicited intervention on the subject. Topping it ll was his praise for Indian democracy and secularism

The separatists have clearly been discredited. Not only the Obama visit, but there are other signs of change, too. Despite Geelani’s resistance, schools reopened on Sept. 27 and were marked by gradual increase in attendance. More recently, scores of people protested in Lal Chowk against shutdowns. There has been dismay when in Shopian, two civilians died when the vehicle in which they were travelling turned turtle following acts of stone pelting. Many traders and transporters have defied the protest calendar and carried on their business as usual.
With the obvious declining impact of total shutdowns, Geelani has been forced to tone down drastically his protest calendar with only 2-3 days of strikes in the latest 12-day period. In the past, the equation was the reverse.

What has been noticeable is that the shutdowns started running out of steam soon after the arrest of Masarrat Alam on October 18, 2010. This further reinforces the perception that it is not Geelani that is/has been in control.

Geelani, of course, is making his way to his house in New Delhi’s upmarket Malviya Nagar for the winter, leaving the hapless stone-pelters and the distraught parents of those who lost loved ones to their own devices.

In seeking continued sacrifices from the people, Geelani and company have failed to recognize that Obama’s focus was the economy and job losses in the US. The world sees a ‘risen’ India in a very different light than what Geelani would like to see India in. Perhaps the salubrious winter in Delhi will help him rethink his strategy for 2011 and come up with an alternative to getting innocent people killed so that he can continue to retain his hold.

However, disillusionment with the separatists and with Obama’s silence coupled with petering of agitations should not be seen as the problem having gone away. Clearly, prolonged hartals have lost their sale by date. As Omar Abdullah called it ‘hartal fatigue’. But the political problem remains.

This has significant and potentially dangerous implications for the future of the Valley. These will be elaborated in Part II of this article. by Salim Haq (ANI)

Attn: News Editors/News Desks: Mr. Salim Haq has authored the above article and the views expressed in tem are his.

My dear friend Ejazr posted this in some other forum, beautiful article.
 
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The Jammu and Kashmir Situation-What after the Obama visit (Part II)

By Salim Haq

New Delhi, Nov.16 (ANI): As the disillusionment with the separatists grows and the Valley hunkers down for the winter, it is necessary that the lessons of the past five months are understood and policies designed that would factor in the developments.

The agitations were premised on the hope that an unarmed struggle against a mighty state apparatus would capture the imagination of the international community. Pak-sponsored violence over the past two decades had discredited the ‘movement’ without being even close to ‘Azadi’. The only thing to show for it was the loss of an entire generation and almost every house in the Valley mourning its dead in state or terrorist violence.

However, an unarmed struggle without the baggage of Pak-sponsored terrorism, would find support internationally, especially, if the Indian security forces responded ham-handedly and the body count mounted. This international support would force India to start talking about conceding Azadi.

The climax of the agitation and the body count was to be the visit of President Obama. For three days, people of the Valley, like elsewhere in India, sat glued to their TV sets, anticipating the moment when the dreams sold to them by the separatists would fructify.

That moment never really came. Despite whatever mileage the separatists may have tried to extract from Obama’s response to a question referring to Kashmir as a long-standing dispute, the people now know that the dreams sold to them were just that, dreams.

The immediate question that arises is whether the hope that the Kashmir issue can be resolved peacefully will fade away? And, will it get replaced by the third generation picking up the gun? Will the gun-toting hawks, backed by Pakistan, dominate again?

Those in authority must realise the confusion in young minds. On the one hand, after having been compared to the intifada, after being lavished with praise for staring down armed security forces with nothing more than stones, their brief struggle was ignored by the international community. On the other hand, fed on a daily diet of hatred of India, they saw for themselves the most powerful man in the world praise India for its democracy and secularism.
As winter sets in, hartal fatigue takes over and the separatists desert them. Where does it leave them and their struggle?

It would be very easy to exploit this vulnerability, this sense of hurt, by Pak-sponsored, self-seeking hawks peddling violence as the only way out. Already, in the past few days, there has been a spurt in terrorist violence and attacks in the Valley. Obama’s admonishment about terror safe havens in Pakistan notwithstanding, this violence is the terrorists’ way of saying that all is not lost and violence is very much an option.

The government has won a reprieve, but it is just that, a reprieve, and not because of its own policies. It cannot, and must not, rest on hartal fatigue but press home the advantage to further narrow the space for the separatists. Here are a few suggestions:

First, the vulnerable youth must be given an alternative slogan and the hope that peace is the only way forward and their aspirations can be accommodated by a country that has just been lavished generous praise for its democracy and pluralism.

Second, the eight-point package must be implemented in toto. It is essential that those jailed over the last three months for stone pelting be released after doing the necessary checks. It is even more crucial that there should no fresh deaths in incidents of firing by the security forces. Mercifully, the days of prolonged curfew are a thing of the past and it must be ensured that this remains so. Protests should be held peacefully and managed imaginatively without provocation or violence.

Third, the two mainstream state parties have a huge role to play. They have to come out from the shadows, take to the streets and once again regain the political space they had surrendered to the separatists in the summer. They will have to stop scoring points against each other, which only benefits the separatists. While the National Conference has to take the PDP on board, the PDP, in turn, has to stop adopting postures that seeks to take advantage of the situation.

Fourth, the perception in the Valley that Delhi cares only for those who challenge the validity of the 1947 accession must be reversed. The Home Minister’s statement that Jammu and Kashmir had acceded to India in unique circumstances, the State had a unique problem and requires a unique solution; Omar Abdullah’s erroneous assertion about a difference between accession and merger etc, strengthen the separatist claims that there was something wrong with accession. This has to stop.

Fifth, the government must factor in that the agitation of the stone pelters have forced the separatist leaders to dilute the pro-Pakistan tilt. Gen Next does not see a future with Pakistan, realizing that something very wrong is happening there. It is not slogans of ‘Kashmir Banega Pakistan’ that rent the air but of ‘Azadi’. This has implications for any dialogue with Pakistan.

The fact that this has got Pakistan worried is evidenced by the fact of their bringing out Amanullah Khan from retirement and making him launch a ‘Quit Kashmir’ movement in P-O-K in an attempt to take control of the movement in the Valley.

Finally, Geelani and company, have to be shown up for what they are - self-seeking leaders wanting to grab next day’s headlines at the expense of the people. A litmus test for the separatists would be the care they take of families of those who died in the recent violence.

It would be an anathema for separatists if people started exploring alternatives to protests and violence in the Valley.

Hence, Geelani would persist with his protest calendar, even a toned down one, to ensure that a conducive and peaceful atmosphere is not created. He has no alternatives, victim as he is of his own pronouncements. And since his bread and butter is dependent on separatism, nothing the government can or will do will satisfy him and his ilk.

Therefore, the government has to ensure that the protest calendar fails and fails every-time. The government will have to reach out to those who don’t want to follow the calendar, but are afraid of resisting. The government will have to ensure their safety. Above all, the government must extend a helping hand to those unfortunate families who lost loved ones and those who were injured.

What about the interlocutors? Unfortunately, they began as if they were in a 20-20 game rather than for a long haul five-day test match. They have acted as if they had ready-made answers to a complex issue that has defied solution for 63 years.

After being admonished by the Home Minister and the media, they seem to be settling down to a 50 overs match, but mentally still not in Test match mode.

They also have to craft a role for themselves- Are they players, extras, on field umpires, third umpires or scorers? Lack of clarity about their role or rather an exaggerated sense of their role, has also led to some astounding statements and claims. (ANI)

Attn: News Editors/News Desks: The views expressed in the above article are that of Mr. Salim Haq.
 
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In a way this agitation is very good for India. Looking at what the current situation is it has sent an important message.

Even after 6 months of protest and stone pelting you can gain nothing.
This is important, like people get boared of terrorism as it was achieving nothing, they will now know stone pelting will not yeild anything either.

Basically any movement will gain momentum if people feel they can get results and opposite will happen if the result is not forthcoming.
 
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For those questioning Farhan Haq based on the incident earlier this year, keep in mind that the Indian media was strongly criticized by the UN for slandering Haq and clarified that he had done nothing wrong.

The statement in the Pakistani media is sourced to the UN spokesperson and therefore is completely credible.
 
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How does it matter? Its still not listed in UN List...and Mr Haq cannot get it sorted out...Hope pakistanis can celebrate ED in peace and hope they don't go on a rampage in their own country first!!
 
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where is the champagne bottle

champagne for every one!!!!!!!!!!1haaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahaha

the best eid gift we had
 
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where is the champagne bottle

champagne for every one!!!!!!!!!!1haaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahaha

the best eid gift we had

Buddy its still not listed, though I believe its a mistake!!:cheesy:

However, have Non-alcoholic champagne on ED :rofl::rofl:
 
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even if UN rejects kashmir as a dispute, we dont care as long as kashmiris are willing to be liberated from tyranny, its the strive that counts, countless UN resolutions and bhuka nanga hindostan doesnt want to respect the UN treaty, india has already said UN fk you we dont give you damn, UN has no value, countries just need to get out of UNo mania, and every thing is fine, UN is not the worl;d organization, its just puppet voice of america.. as hamid kerzai is

pakistan hasnt produced for kashmir through UN, if u make kashmiris contended for hindustan then we will say its true victory for it..
 
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even if UN rejects kashmir as a dispute, we dont care as long as kashmiris are willing to be liberated from tyranny, its the strive that counts, countless UN resolutions and bhuka nanga hindostan doesnt want to respect the UN treaty, india has already said UN fk you we dont give you damn, UN has no value, countries just need to get out of UNo mania, and every thing is fine, UN is not the worl;d organization, its just puppet voice of america.. as hamid kerzai is

Point Taken! Then as per your own logic same goes for all the states in Pakistan who are fighting for Azadi and in your own words:

And I quote:

They are willing to be liberated from tyranny, its the strive that counts, countless UN resolutions and bhuka nanga Pa...... doesnt want to respect the UN treaty, Pa........... has already said UN fk you we dont give you damn, UN has no value, countries just need to get out of UNo mania, and every thing is fine, UN is not the worl;d organization, its just puppet voice of america.. as hamid kerzai is

:azn:
 
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