Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[justanobserver]

Compared to BR and all the other indian forums out there, this one is the most civilized and tolerant.

BR doesn't claim to be an international forum, Pakistani IPs are actually banned from registration. It is strictly an Indian forum

 

[Dance]

BR doesn't claim to be an international forum, Pakistani IPs are actually banned from registration. It is strictly an Indian forum

Well that just shows what kind of mentality the people have there

 

[KALKI]

Compared to BR and all the other indian forums out there, this one is the most civilized and tolerant.

USED TO BE

 

[LaBong]

Well that just shows what kind of mentality the people have there

There are other Indian 'international' forums, there are other only Pakistani forums.

 

[justanobserver]

Well that just shows what kind of mentality the people have there

Yep you don't have your usual bleeding heart liberals there, the population there is all hawk

However there is an Indian forum that is well moderated and accepts all nationalities. You may want to check that out (hint:it's not the one in the spam messages)

Anyways discussing other forums is against the rules, so no more offtopic posts from me

 

[Areesh]

Isn't it the whole point? That GoI has its own definition of 'azaadi'. I hope you do know the meaning of 'interlocutor'. If not, check the dictionary.

No this isn't the whole point. GOI might have it's wonderland, doesn't changes the fact that Azadi word has it's own specific meanings accepted world wide and also in IOK.

About interlocutors I would like to see any such statement about the word azadi from them like that unknown GOI official gave. Their statements about this word says something otherwise.

And yet you continue to respond to our comments. That is a strange way of showing not caring.

Answering the opponent doesn't mean we also care what they believe.

 

[Subramanian]

Kashmir alone has a huge potential to prosper and be a economically stable state. But if Kashmir is merged with India, the economic burden will increase due to share of revenues. Effectively stealing money out of Kashmir by greedy central government. This is why Kashmiris have been fighting for!

you think life is so easy.You are a landlocked valley between India,Pakistan and China and you want Independence.All this after the present incumbents themselves were invaders occupying the land for just 600 years.Independence,my ***.

 

[Pratik]

Ms Radha Kumar has lost her mind.

Constitution amendment would 2/3 majority ,on a controversial issue like Kashmir its impossible.

second thing , the whole Azadi issue means another Partition of india .
40% of j & K state is non Muslim.We had already the horrific consequence of 1947 partition, mass slaughter and exodus .Who wants a repeat of that??

India Govt and every sane person should emphasis in no uncertain terms on the futility of such an impossible dream like Azadi for Kashmir.

 

[GUNNER]

Half stories, half truths about Kashmir

Sanjay Kak is a Kashmiri Pandit who has made an evocative documentary, Jashn-e-Azadi, which captures various forms of protests in the Valley and traces the deep sense of alienation of Muslims.

The word azadi, in that film, acquires a meaning far deeper than just freedom or secession. The concept of azadi is so entrenched in the Kashmiri Muslim consciousness that neither State largesse nor repression can restore peace to the valley, if their struggle isn’t understood in human terms.

Kak’s documentary also brings out the angst of Kashmiri Pandits, their longing for a home from which they’ve been uprooted. A few years ago, I watched this disturbing human drama and, as a Pandit myself, admired Kak’s courage in confronting vested interests, including his own community.

As we came out of the theatre, a relative of mine lamented, “I feel guilty". This guilt did not arise, as mine did, from the realisation that the Kashmir issue is not a religious-fundamentalist movement, as the Indian state portrays. He, instead, felt that “by watching the film he was endorsing the outrageous, misleading propaganda his own community member (Kak) was spreading.” Kashmiri Pandit activists have prevented the screening of Kak’s film in Delhi through protests you can’t call peaceful.

This preamble is to put in perspective the story about last week’s seminar, ‘Azadi, the only way’, which has spawned many versions, each wildly different in its perception of what transpired. Syed Ali Shah Geelani’s call for azadi there has outraged Indians; they want him and Arundhati Roy — whom the middle class hates as much as V P Singh for his Mandal experiment — to be tried for sedition.

As a witness to the event, I must admit that the 400-strong audience, comprising mostly young Kashmiris, erupted in frenzied applause every time a speaker referred to the oppression by the Indian state in Kashmir. There were speakers from the ultra left too, who underlined the brutal suppression of just mass struggles across India. Their speeches were equally anti-State, but they weren’t hate speeches nor did they advocate violence.

In this charged atmosphere, the problem began when Roy began to speak. She was heckled, for ignoring the injustices against Kashmiri Hindus, as she blasted the Indian State. The taunts of the hecklers, numbering just a dozen, were drowned in the thunderous applause of the majority, which wanted the seminar to continue.

A brief pause later, Roy raised some pertinent points for the separatists to ponder. She argued that the Kashmiris should join protest movements against injustices all across India and not care only about their own cause. She also demanded to know what kind of state the separatists envisage — whether the minorities, like the Pandits, would have equal rights and made to feel a sense of belonging in Kashmir, unlike now.

As the crowd lapped up each word Roy spoke, I felt proud that our democracy has become mature enough to allow leaders of radical movements to express themselves in the very heart of India. But my pride ebbed when Geelani began to speak — a handful of protesters began to raise cries of Bharat Mata ki jai, unfurl the tricolour and make threatening advances towards the stage. They were asked to listen peacefully or leave. Ultimately, the police escorted them out.

Geelani, the ‘incorrigible hawk’, appealed to India to talk to Kashmiris in the language of insaniyat. Responding to Roy’s query, he said an independent Kashmir will grant equal rights to all. He reiterated his demand for a referendum in the undivided J&K, promising to abide by the verdict, even if it went in India’s favour. He expressed hope of India becoming a superpower, outstripping even the US and China.

This was what I heard and saw. But the story in the media was quiet different — there was only the heckling and humiliation of Geelani and Arundhati Roy.

That the Kashmir story has an alternative narrative, which Kak’s Jashn-e-Azadi depicts and the seminar in Delhi fleetingly touched upon, needs to be told to India’s masses without hecklers hijacking the agenda.


Half stories, half truths - Hindustan Times

 

[roach]

Interesting read, I would like to see this documentary.

There is much more in Kashmir than meets the eye. My brother-in-law just got posted out of J&K- was participating in CI ops. He says "Koi nahi chahta ki insurgency khatam ho, dono sides ki apni bahut matlab hai isme."

 

[Last Hope]

Do you have a link for the documentery?
If yes, please i would like to have that!

Seems like qiute interestinG!

 

[KS]

Yeah right you think I was expecting some sane attitude from Bharatis and fan boys present on this forum. Or if we care about the comments of Indians about a news.

Lol bhai.....You get what you give.

Asking for something that you can't exhibit is unfair on your part.

 

[KS]

In this charged atmosphere, the problem began when Roy began to speak. She was heckled, for ignoring the injustices against Kashmiri Hindus, as she blasted the Indian State. The taunts of the hecklers, numbering just a dozen, were drowned in the thunderous applause of the majority, which wanted the seminar to continue.

So the just demands of the Kashmiri Pandits (referred to as 'hecklers') becomes "taunting" while the hate speech becomes a call for justice.

Isnt it a bit unfair on the parts of the Pandits to be labelled as such,especially given the conditions they underwent in the early 90s where this saint Gellani didn do as much as lift a finger to save them.

As the crowd lapped up each word Roy spoke, I felt proud that our democracy has become mature enough to allow leaders of radical movements to express themselves in the very heart of India. But my pride ebbed when Geelani began to speak — a handful of protesters began to raise cries of Bharat Mata ki jai, unfurl the tricolour and make threatening advances towards the stage. They were asked to listen peacefully or leave. Ultimately, the police escorted them out.

Did the author know what the "mature" audience were shouting in a equal frenzy - "Azadi ka matlab kya - la ilaha illallah".So that is justified.But unfurling the national flag and proudly saying "Bharat mata ki Jai" becomes unruly and something to be ashamed of.

A true example of biased journalism.

 

[GUNNER]

A true example of biased journalism.

It's an opinion piece Karthic. Not news.

You may disagree with the author's opinion.

 

[indushek]

Pretty sick idea you got man.

What are your thoughts about the post right above yours, i guess it must have pleased u immensely??