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Thanks to you and other Indians that have admitted that their was bloodshed and genocide by India in IOK for past sixty years and it was not 1987 revolt after which things gone worst. Thanks for this admission Karan and other Indians. It was really unexpected. I was talking about the killings of youth in past three months but you admitted that you are killing Kashmiris for the past sixty years. Thanks again. :azn:
1. You do need to brush up on you language comprehension I guess. Or you pretend to be weak there intentionally. What ever..

Irrelevant I guess.
2. Wrong guess


Want to learn Urdu. Take admission in some urdu academy in New Dehli. They will teach you what it is. :D

We aren't having urdu learning classes here. Sorry buddy but can't help you on this right now... ;)
Go to Point 1


It is on topic dear. The one and the major reason that Omar said something near to truth for the first time in his whole life.

:)

Whatever floats your boat dear. Let me know when the Pakistani dream of capturing Kashmir becomes plausible. And as some one said, till then, lets discuss hell freezing over since that will happen sooner..
 
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He is correct, It was not merger, it was accession. To my view merger was with Bengal, Mumbai Presidency, Rajputana. Other states were still princely state who accede to India.
 
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Because 50% of the population (Non Muslims) may not want to reside in the state



Have you forgotten what has happened after Babri Mosque and Godhra. Please give me one example where partition happened peaceful



Aren't you also assuming. Anyway the recent riots in J&K had clear religious hues. The Separatist movement in the Valley is solely based on religious affinities



Kashmir being non-military zone would not stop other countries from exerting power; moreover how would anybody stop non state actors from using military methods (example Taliban) thus making Kashmir a military zone



Water is scare. First everyone would use water for their own development then would leave the remaining for others. That was the reason why treaties such as Indus water threat have been agreed upon to protect countries who are at disadvantage

:cheers::cheers:

Firstly let us not bring Taliban into the picture when we talk of Kashmir. Kashmiri separatist and Taliban have nothing in common between them. Neither are Kashmiris Taliban sympathizers.

Secondly what if Kashmiris elect a secular a government instead of a theocratic one. Would there still be communal violence? During the partition of 1947, it was the Punjab region that saw most violence. Migration from Sindh region was rather peaceful. I think post-godhra people of India have become a lot more mature and deny political parties to spew religious hatred amongst the people.
 
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It should be I am a Muslim and I am an Indian govt puppet or servant. But since according to you guys it is politics he didn't said it clearly. Politics you know. ;)

It shoud have been..but it was not.

Live with it.:wave:
 
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agar kashmir ko azadi dee jai or us main Gilgit-Balistan + Northern Areas bhe add hoon tuh pakistan ko yah kabhi manzor nahe hoo gaa ... meri nazar main us kashmir say acha aaj ka kashmir hee hai keu k agar kashmir pakistan ko nahe milta or usay ek alaag country banaya jai tuh wo pakistan k leia acha nahe ... agar kashmir azaad hota hai or Northern Areas us azaad honay walay kashmir main add hon tuh pakistan or china ka link khatam hoo jai gaa joo Pakistan ko kabhi manzor nahe ... or meri nazar main india or pakistan ko kashmir say kuth nahe bus "water" chaiya ..

What if each regions was to hold a plebiscite and asked to choose one the three options: 1) Join India, 2) Join Pakistan, 3) Independence.

What would the result be from these following region
a) IOK (valley)
b) *** (AJK)
c) Gilgit-Balistan
d) Jammu
e) Leh
f) Northern Areas

Who would end up loosing more land? India would only loose the valley while Pakistan would loose ***, Gilgit-Balistan and Northern Areas.
 
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Pakistan should rather think of saving Baluchistan from Taliban rather than saving Kashmir. It might end up loosing both. Pakistan is just stretching the rubber.

And maybe you indians should be thinking about Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Meghalaya, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland, Tripura ect before you start worring about kashmir.....you might lose all the above states in the process.
 
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It shoud have been..but it was not.

Live with it.:wave:

It is politics dear. As you guys said. ;)

1. You do need to brush up on you language comprehension I guess. Or you pretend to be weak there intentionally. What ever..

Sometimes lame arguments out of emotions backfire. Try to adjust with it.;)

2. Wrong guess

If killing of 100+ youth is off topic than it is also irrelevant.

Go to Point 1

Already done... :)

Whatever floats your boat dear. Let me know when the Pakistani dream of capturing Kashmir becomes plausible. And as some one said, till then, lets discuss hell freezing over since that will happen sooner..

OK. Deal. Good to see traditional unbreakable part rant fizzling out. :azn:
 
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Journalism threatened in Kashmir protests


Since July 2010, more than 100 people have died in clashes between security forces and anti-government demonstraters in Indian-administered Kashmir, and sometimes it is the journalists trying to cover the demonstrations that have become the targets themselves.

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An indefinite curfew has been in place in Srinagar since September


When I met Farooq Shah he was lying under a blanket in the corner of his living room in obvious discomfort.

Friends and neighbours were sitting on cushions scattered across the floor. Someone was serving tea and biscuits.

Farooq had a broken arm and stitches on his head.

The previous evening, when he heard that the curfew had been relaxed, he had made the mistake of wandering down to the main road at the end of his lane.

The police were beating passers-by with long wooden sticks, he recalled.

He told them he was a journalist - a photographer with a local newspaper, Rising Kashmir. So they beat him, too.


It has been a long, hard summer for journalists who ply their trade amid the beguiling beauty of the Kashmir Valley.

They have had to cover the deaths of civilians from their own communities, while dodging bullets, rocks and tear gas shells.

Blows 'raining down'

Months of street clashes have seen more than 100 young men lose their lives - nearly all of them shot dead by the police.

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Resentment has been growing against Indian rule


And for some time now, the police have been turning on the people who are telling this story to the world.

Curfew passes have been ignored or torn up.

Journalists have been threatened and intimidated. And the national press in India has not paid a great deal of attention.

The BBC has not been immune. Our Urdu service reporter, Riyaaz Masroor, was beaten earlier this year, a hairline fracture on his arm courtesy of a police baton.

And last week - the latest victim: Merajuddin, a veteran TV cameraman working for the Associated Press, was trying to reach the state assembly with his son Omar, another cameraman.



TV news channels have been taken off air, and newspapers have been prevented from publishing or distributing for weeks at a time



The police ignored their passes and when they protested the blows came raining down. Merajuddin took one on the side of the neck which left him lying in a heap on the road.

Colleagues helped him away before further damage could be done.

Kashmir's chief minister, Omar Abdullah, rang him to apologise. In fact he said sorry three times, which is all well and good.

But there seem to be plenty of people in the valley who do not want the local media to get their stories out.

TV news channels have been taken off air, and newspapers have been prevented from publishing or distributing for weeks at a time.

Vendors have been threatened, and copies seized from street corners. The chief minister says it is nothing to do with him. Which begs the question - who is running the show?

"I've covered Kashmir for more than 20 years," said a leading local journalist Shujaat Bukhari, "and I've never seen such restrictions."

"For us, the last three months has been the worst period ever."

Overbearing security

Efforts to suppress the news have not really worked. Newspapers have been out every day online, and social networking sites have been alive with angry debate.

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It is hoped that reducing the overt security presence will calm tensions


Still the campaign against the news providers seems to be continuing.

And that is sad, because there have been positive developments in Kashmir recently.

An all-party delegation from Delhi visited Srinagar to listen to local complaints and suggestions.

As a result, people detained for throwing stones have been released from custody.

And now a number of police posts and bunkers in the centre of the city have been dismantled and removed. Confidence building measures they say.

It has been pretty obvious for some time that the overbearing security presence in Srinagar had become counter-productive.

The militant insurgency of the early 1990s has long gone, but at times it seems as if the authorities have not got the message.

Armed police stand guard at every street corner - enforcing curfew, searching bags, and acting as a visible reminder for the weary local population - Life here is not normal.

I spent an hour or so at one police post in the old town a few weeks ago, sandbags and barbed wire surrounding a pretty ramshackle hut.

Stones thrown by teenage protesters were rattling off tin rooftops and bouncing into the shuttered shop-fronts of an empty street. Not desperately threatening, but a constant irritation.

"It's their game," sighed the policeman on duty, staring down a rubble-strewn back-lane at the silhouettes of the stone-pelters.

"It's like this every day."

"So what would happen if you weren't here?" I asked.

"They'd probably be playing cricket instead," he replied. "Problem solved."

If only Kashmir as a whole were that simple.

It is not, and it has been a tough time for everyone in the valley over the last few months.

But blaming the local media is not part of the solution.

Do not shoot the messenger. And do not beat him up either.


BBC News - Journalism threatened in Kashmir protests
 
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Most deaths in Valley by bullet injuries, says Omar


Most of the civilian deaths during the recent protests in the Valley were caused by bullet injuries, Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah said today.

Of the 98 civilians killed from June 11 to September 21 this year, 82 died due to bullet injuries received during the protests, Mr. Omar said in a written reply to a question of Murtaza Ahmad Khan in the Legislative Council.

“Since the beginnig of June 2010, till September 21, 87 civilians were killed who were part of the violent mobs and protests during the engagements between protesters and the deployment on the ground and succumbed to their injuries,” the Chief Minister, who also holds the Home portfolio, said.

Two others, including a teenage student Tufail Ahmad Mattoo - whose death on June 11 triggered a series of protests, were killed after getting hit by tear smoke shells.

As per data, 11-year-old Irshad Ahmad Parray died after suffering injuries caused by pellets fired from Pum Action Gun (PAG).

One person, Rafiq Ahmad Bangroo, died due to serious injuries suffered after he was allegedly beaten by the CRPF personnel, the government records show.

Two other deaths, including that of a 24-year-old woman, government said were caused by ‘stray’ bullets.

The government said most of those killed in the protests were young boys, either teenagers or in their twenties.

The oldest man killed during the protests was Ali Mohammad Khanday of Pattan in north Kashmir’s Baramulla district. He was 60.

According to government figures, two persons were killed in the attacks by stone pelters while three youth drowned after being chased by security forces and two persons were killed in stampedes.

Most of those killed were students (39) followed by labourers (12) and farmers (nine). Rest of the deceased were businessmen, skilled workers, employees in public and private sector and salespersons.

Kashmir valley has been in a grip of protests since June 11 following the killing of Mattoo, who succumbed to injuries after being hit in the head by a tear smoke cannister fired by a policeman near Rajouri Kadal in interior city.


The Hindu : States / Other States : Most deaths in Valley by bullet injuries, says Omar
 
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Govt to continue moral, diplomatic support to Kashmir cause: Gilani


* PM urges international community to take note of human right violations in IHK

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani and Parliamentary Committee on Kashmir Chairman Maulana Fazlur Rehman on Saturday discussed in detail the Kashmir issue and the PM reiterated the government’s resolve to continue to extend moral, diplomatic and political support to the people of Kashmir, in their struggle for self-determination.

Speaking during the meeting held at the PM’s House, Gilani urged the international community to take notice of the gross human rights violations in Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) and to pressurise the Indian government to put an end to the repression of the Kashmiri people.

Durable peace and stability in South Asia is linked to a peaceful resolution of the Kashmir dispute, in line with the UN’s resolutions and aspirations of the Kashmiri people, he added.

Fazlur Rehman apprised the prime minister on the committee’s meeting with leadership of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference. He said that during the meeting, the delegation had thrown light on the indigenous and people-led character of the recent uprising in IHK against atrocities of the Indian security forces. He added that the Parliamentary Committee on Kashmir had assured the Hurriyat delegation of Pakistan’s complete support and solidarity with the Kashmiri people in their just cause.


Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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Firstly let us not bring Taliban into the picture when we talk of Kashmir. Kashmiri separatist and Taliban have nothing in common between them. Neither are Kashmiris Taliban sympathizers.

Neither are most Afghans or most Pakistanis sympathizers of Taliban.

Secondly what if Kashmiris elect a secular a government instead of a theocratic one. Would there still be communal violence? During the partition of 1947, it was the Punjab region that saw most violence. Migration from Sindh region was rather peaceful. I think post-godhra people of India have become a lot more mature and deny political parties to spew religious hatred amongst the people.

Neither was Pakistan a Islamic state when formed
 
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How large is the similarities between the suffering of Kashmiris and the suffering of the Palestinians . . .Even their enemies . . .Using the same weapons
 
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How large is the similarities between the suffering of Kashmiris and the suffering of the Palestinians . . .Even their enemies . . .Using the same weapons

Both are same. The Israeli and Indian State Terrorism in these Countries that is Kashmir and Palestine is the same.


The two terrorist states i.e Israel and India are indeed collaborating in terms of weapons and terror tactics used on people of Kashmir and Palestine.

Check the record you will see same amount of killings of the innocent by these terrorist states
 
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