Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[MYSTIC]

Let all the refugees return..muslim,sikh,hindu ect........the police can protect everyone.......the bogey of kashmir being turned into some iran with the mullah as leaders will never happen.
The political parties that use faith as a platform have always done really bad in pakistan and never really taken power unlike india where a hindu party has ruled.

Pakistan's founding father was Jinaah. Kashmir would have Hafiz Sayeed. The orchestrator of the Mumbai attack, and many others. Obviously not a secularist nor a peaceful being.

How is it going to work? India would never support a government run by the very same separatist we have been fighting for around 2 decades.

 

[MYSTIC]

i think its personally very introspective for indians to start thinking along these lines.

at the end of the day you guys are all aware of the ground situation, i mean the innate reality of the situation will "out" it self at some point into the mass indian conscience

you guys are all aware of the lessons of imperialism - well its india who have become the neo-imperialists so have a good think about these misadventures turn out.

violence begets violence, hatred begets hatred and the passion for freedom is still as strong as ever amongst the people of IOK.

would it not be wise to think more pragmatically?

Dear friend, how about a little introspection yourself. No country is clean. Even you have a lot of skeletons in your closet. Why would Balouchistan be any different? Didn't Pakistan promise them freedom. Why does you heart only go out for Kashmir and not for Balouch? Oh wait...because its an integral part of Pakistan...

 

[zeeshe100]

What would be considered as Kashmir? Would Gilgit-Balistan also fall into Kashmir? What about Jammu and Leh? Northern Areas?

What about the Indus water treaty? How do you think the water would be divided among the three countries. I am pretty sure Kashmir would reserve a lot for themselves as they are already complaining about less water at the moment?

Would Kashmir be declared a no military zone? One of India's main concern would be Kashmir cozying up to Pakistan Army as they have provided financial support to the separatist movement for so long. Kashmir has acted as a buffer for India for very long. If Pakistan would have any presence in Kashmir, it would not go well with India.

Secular or theocratic? What about Kashmiri Pandits and Sikhs? They were driven out by same separatist that would most likely rule Kashmir. How can they ensure safety of Hindus and Sikhs?

agar kashmir ko azadi dee jai or us main Gilgit-Balistan + Northern Areas bhe add hoon tuh pakistan ko yah kabhi manzor nahe hoo gaa ... meri nazar main us kashmir say acha aaj ka kashmir hee hai keu k agar kashmir pakistan ko nahe milta or usay ek alaag country banaya jai tuh wo pakistan k leia acha nahe ... agar kashmir azaad hota hai or Northern Areas us azaad honay walay kashmir main add hon tuh pakistan or china ka link khatam hoo jai gaa joo Pakistan ko kabhi manzor nahe ... or meri nazar main india or pakistan ko kashmir say kuth nahe bus "water" chaiya ..

 

[r3alist]

Dear friend, how about a little introspection yourself. No country is clean. Even you have a lot of skeletons in your closet. Why would Balouchistan be any different? Didn't Pakistan promise them freedom. Why does you heart only go out for Kashmir and not for Balouch? Oh wait...because its an integral part of Pakistan...

1. kashmir is apparently important because indians claim it to be integral, for many many pakistanis it IS integral because there are blood ties!!!

therefore kashmir is about your imperial ambitions and how best india can manage it - not about the thoughts and feelings of the kashmiri people - our affection and care is not superficial

kashmir is not a skeleton - its alive and kicking and in india's face.

indians need to INTROSPECT AND WAKE UP - violence begets violence, hatred begets violence, kashmir is boiling and you know it....


2. the baluchistan situations is simply not comparable - when has it ever been disputed territory - its more analogous to your naxalite problem, but on a much smaller scale

 

[Nagraj]

Didn't you guys forgot china????
how much part of kashmir does china want???

 

[karan.1970]

And I will get screamed at because of this, but all the talk about introspection and not being sub human should not be subject to a UN resolution which anyway does not allow for independence. Now if you do this with Kashmir (and I mean the whole of it), what next.

I think all of us know that there are other restive areas as well in the subcontinent. If you know what I mean

 

[KS]

I hope you ppl who are chuckling at Omar's words had seen this video which starts with the words "I am a Muslim and I am an Indian --------"

 

[karan.1970]

The killing of Kashmiri kids by the Bharati govt employed terrorist forces for throwing stones. That is the change.

Off topic and not linked to the issue being discussed.. But I am not surprised..

 

[karan.1970]

Why should I? The past three months are enough to predict the future of IOK.

And last 60 years are not??

Also didnt some Pakistani members comment that 3-4 years is a very short time to judge if Pakistani economy is really in a non recoverable nose dive. But suddenly now 3 months are enough..

What was that saying about Billi and cheechda or some thing??

 

[Jade]

There would hardly be any mass migration issues. Our constitution has prevented people outside Kashmir to reside in the state. And there are not many Kashmiris living outside Kashmir, at least in Mumbai there are not many. Probably in Delhi the number might be larger (lot of Kashmiri Pandits migrated).

Because 50% of the population (Non Muslims) may not want to reside in the state

Why do you think there would be communal violence. Have you just presumed that we are barbaric? Don't you think we have grown over the past few decades. Why can the partition be peaceful?

Have you forgotten what has happened after Babri Mosque and Godhra. Please give me one example where partition happened peaceful

Some good points but largely on assumption that it would turn out to be a radical islamic state. What if it adopts a secular democracy like India? They will be looking toward the west (US) to set up the country, which would require them to behave themselves. Unless the west has other plans for them (which is unlikely), it would turn out to be alright.

Aren't you also assuming. Anyway the recent riots in J&K had clear religious hues. The Separatist movement in the Valley is solely based on religious affinities

About the three powers exerting pressure on Kashmir, I already suggested Kashmir being a neutral non-military zone. If Europe can have Switzerland, why can't we have Kashmir .

Kashmir being non-military zone would not stop other countries from exerting power; moreover how would anybody stop non state actors from using military methods (example Taliban) thus making Kashmir a military zone

The Indus river will still be flowing. If you stop the water, the entire valley will be submerged.

Water is scare. First everyone would use water for their own development then would leave the remaining for others. That was the reason why treaties such as Indus water threat have been agreed upon to protect countries who are at disadvantage

 

[Areesh]

And last 60 years are not??

Thanks to you and other Indians that have admitted that their was bloodshed and genocide by India in IOK for past sixty years and it was not 1987 revolt after which things gone worst. Thanks for this admission Karan and other Indians. It was really unexpected. I was talking about the killings of youth in past three months but you admitted that you are killing Kashmiris for the past sixty years. Thanks again.

Also didnt some Pakistani members comment that 3-4 years is a very short time to judge if Pakistani economy is really in a non recoverable nose dive. But suddenly now 3 months are enough..

Irrelevant I guess.

What was that saying about Billi and cheechda or some thing??

Want to learn Urdu. Take admission in some urdu academy in New Dehli. They will teach you what it is.

We aren't having urdu learning classes here. Sorry buddy but can't help you on this right now...

Off topic and not linked to the issue being discussed.. But I am not surprised..

It is on topic dear. The one and the major reason that Omar said something near to truth for the first time in his whole life.

 

[zeeshe100]

Accession with Pakistan Geelani’s 1st choice
is main ISI ka hath hai

 

[Jade]

1. kashmir is apparently important because indians claim it to be integral, for many many pakistanis it IS integral because there are blood ties!!!

therefore kashmir is about your imperial ambitions and how best india can manage it - not about the thoughts and feelings of the kashmiri people - our affection and care is not superficial

kashmir is not a skeleton - its alive and kicking and in india's face.

indians need to INTROSPECT AND WAKE UP - violence begets violence, hatred begets violence, kashmir is boiling and you know it....

Now how come Pakistanis have blood ties with Kashmiries?...as far as I know, there are not many marriages happening Pakistanis and Kashmiries

Is not it that Pakistanis INTROSPECT AND WAKE UP - violence begets violence, hatred begets violence and you know it....

 

[Jackdaws]

If Kashmir were a sovereign state then it would ideally include all 3 parts of Kashmir - Indian, Pakistani and Chinese. Given that it would be "sovereign" as you put it - then as a sovereign state, it would be free to decide its own course. If it decides to alienate its own Buddhist and Hindu citizenry by becoming a theocratic nation state, there is nothing anyone can do.

 

[Areesh]

I hope you ppl who are chuckling at Omar's words had seen this video which starts with the words "I am a Muslim and I am an Indian --------"
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It should be I am a Muslim and I am an Indian govt puppet or servant. But since according to you guys it is politics he didn't said it clearly. Politics you know.