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[Dash]

Yeah Indian already delivered prototype democracy and people of Kashmir are evaluating it. Kashmir freedom is surrounded by state sponsored life saving guards.....

You should visit this thread

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/70256-protesters-kashmir-face-stones.html

Regards,

 

[afriend]

To me this piece is an effort to assuage the bruised egos in BJP..The fact is that IUST students have stunned the bjp by thier frank demand of azaadi and seeing these smartly dressed girls and guys so eloquently asking for Azaadi would have shattered thier confidence to hold on to kashmir . All this noise about confusion in student ranks seems to be effort to an attempt at fake contempt to hide bruised egos.

Trust me nobody in india is stunned at the call for azadi..!! We hear more about it than the coloured and pirated version you get We continue to hear the minority voice... just becoz of the indian consitituition.. else these voices might have been silenced long before.. hail indian democracy..and hail indian freedom..!!!!

 

[hillman32]

If someone does not know what Azadi or freedom means, he or she should consult a dictionary.

Present Kashmiri movement is led by youth, without support of ISI or hardened Freedom Fighters.

Once youth join a movement it is destined to success. This fact is well known in Indian Hierarchy and that is why they are trembling with fear.

Kashmir may or may not join Pakistan, but it is not going to live with India anymore.

Kashmiri youth has gripped the neck of Indian Establishment who is wrongly proud of some billions of dollars in their kitty.

 

[SQ8]

Unbiased and true.

Yes, especially since last night a flight of Pigs flew across India from Goa to Kashmir and performed a beautiful dance number based on "Hagg de India".

 

[hillman32]

who wants AZADI when we have the best,Judiciary,Freedom, democracy in the world ? and my Kashmeeri brothers will soon realise this

You think you have best system that can deliver goodies to Muslims of Kashmir !!!

Have you read the " Sachar Report on Status of Indian Muslims" ?

Probably NOT !!!!!!!

Plz click of following link and enlighten yourself about your system for Muslims :-

Summarised Sachar Report on Status of Indian Muslims

 

[INS]

If someone does not know what Azadi or freedom means, he or she should consult a dictionary.

Present Kashmiri movement is led by youth, without support of ISI or hardened Freedom Fighters.

Once youth join a movement it is destined to success. This fact is well known in Indian Hierarchy and that is why they are trembling with fear.

Kashmir may or may not join Pakistan, but it is not going to live with India anymore.

Kashmiri youth has gripped the neck of Indian Establishment who is wrongly proud of some billions of dollars in their kitty.

Ok as you say Present Kashmiri movement is led by youth without support of ISI so in past ISI support insurgency in Kahsmir ???

 

[Chandler]

Present Kashmiri movement is led by youth, without support of ISI or hardened Freedom Fighters.

Once youth join a movement it is destined to success.
Kashmiri youth has gripped the neck of Indian Establishment who is wrongly proud of some billions of dollars in their kitty.

Have you ever read about the Children's crusade ? A nice beginning would be from the Wiki's page here. Though the authenticity of the occurrences are questionable, the underlying message is painstakingly clear ; A germ of an idea that has no definite goal or vision can never work. And this is precisely why the youth in trying to reach to their "Holy Land" could drown in the sea of misery.

Kashmiris want "Azadi" ; But then they should not take a myopic view of the few in the Valley ; The idea encompasses the people in Jammu, Ladakh, Azad-Kashmir and Northern Areas as to WHAT is their roadmap for the future in case Kashmir decides for self-independence ? Also, the current UN resolutions do not allow for the Independence clause applicable to the state of J&K. If UN itself does not support it, then will they revolt against UN ? Who will argue their case in such a flawed perspective ?

Think over it ; Sometimes, emotions may run high, But nations are built on a bedrock of goals and visions, not jingoism.

 

[HAIDER]

Well, Indian should admit few facts,which are cause of havoc in the region.
1. Bangladesh meddling.
2. Occupy Siachin Glacier, which was chain reaction of Kargil.

So, simple at the end of cause of dispute, we find bad intention of Indian govt.

 

[Chandler]

You think you have best system that can deliver goodies to Muslims of Kashmir !!!

This is precisely the myopic, fundamentalist and sort-of bigoted point of view from your side. Why cannot you, hailing as you do, from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, see the right to "Azadi" from the Kashmiri pov rather than a Kashmiri-Mulsim pov ? Don't you think that in this fight for Azadi other religions do have a say ? Or do you think that only Kashmiri-Muslims feel oppression and others don't ?

I request you once again, please come out of the bigoted view of Muslim-Kashmir and Non-Muslim Kashmir ? Lands are not divisible by religions, People are.

 

[r3alist]

anecdotal and insignificant, just another article by an indian/hindu on kashmir, what does it mean? nothing.

 

[Chandler]

anecdotal and insignificant, just another article by an indian/hindu on kashmir, what does it mean? nothing.

Exactly, Very Insignificant and then we wonder why Pakistani diplomats start losing sleep, when the EU Report by Emma Nicholson brings down their castles of
"Kashmir Independence" tumbling down or the Chatham house report that says only around 2% in the whole of J&K state want to join Pakistan.

It definitely was a wake-up call for India, but sadly since our government wakes up only to hustles rather than nudges like the Chatham report, it is in a state of fire-fighting. However, i feel that If Kashmiri people give vent to the right set of problems like Unemployment and Corruption, then the Government will definitely be ready to lend a ear to such issues ; But it is barking up the wrong tree with choirs of "Azadi".

 

[sasuke]

you guys keep on repeating Azadi Azadi .... please define azadi? What do you intend to do after it ... It shouldn't be a single person view and it shouldn't be your view and it shouldn't be Pakistan's view .... the view should represent the vision of whole Jammu & Kashmir.

Just stop talking about stuff that you guys don't understand. If you understand try to assess other people views more objectively than trying to live in a shell.

Many movements are started by youth .... the question being raised is: Do they have a vision in mind or they just on adrenaline rush? While the other students are making their live better the people in the valley are not just progressing forward just because of the constant violence instigated by themselves and by the militants.

Just look at the recent protests.... thats a huge impact on many people who live on daily markets .... you protest today ... don't do your job and the next day you can't blame the country for your plight.

People have to stop blaming others for their mishaps.

 

[r3alist]

Exactly, Very Insignificant and then we wonder why Pakistani diplomats start losing sleep, when the EU Report by Emma Nicholson brings down their castles of
"Kashmir Independence" tumbling down or the Chatham house report that says only around 2% in the whole of J&K state want to join Pakistan.

It definitely was a wake-up call for India, but sadly since our government wakes up only to hustles rather than nudges like the Chatham report, it is in a state of fire-fighting. However, i feel that If Kashmiri people give vent to the right set of problems like Unemployment and Corruption, then the Government will definitely be ready to lend a ear to such issues ; But it is barking up the wrong tree with choirs of "Azadi".

ha. and the LSE had a report using unnamed and unknown sources claiming this that and the other about isi and pakistan.


i am sure some in chatham house also believe iraq had wmd,is that the best you have? to borrow credibility by leaning on the "name" of other institutions....you joker

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btw, pakistani posters, this is just a response to the heat india is getting in kashmir, please dont take the bait, and let this thread die.....

 

[civfanatic]

Have you ever read about the Children's crusade ? A nice beginning would be from the Wiki's page here. Though the authenticity of the occurrences are questionable, the underlying message is painstakingly clear ; A germ of an idea that has no definite goal or vision can never work. And this is precisely why the youth in trying to reach to their "Holy Land" could drown in the sea of misery.

Kashmiris want "Azadi" ; But then they should not take a myopic view of the few in the Valley ; The idea encompasses the people in Jammu, Ladakh, Azad-Kashmir and Northern Areas as to WHAT is their roadmap for the future in case Kashmir decides for self-independence ? Also, the current UN resolutions do not allow for the Independence clause applicable to the state of J&K. If UN itself does not support it, then will they revolt against UN ? Who will argue their case in such a flawed perspective ?

Think over it ; Sometimes, emotions may run high, But nations are built on a bedrock of goals and visions, not jingoism.

It is your view that the Kashmirs freedom movement does not have clearly defined goals and vision . And your opinion and seems to be motivated and clouded by usual Bias that a nationalistic Indian is supposed to have .Coming back to Tarun Vijays piece It is clear that it is an extreme effort at self gratification and self indulgance .

 

[civfanatic]

you guys keep on repeating Azadi Azadi .... please define azadi? What do you intend to do after it ... It shouldn't be a single person view and it shouldn't be your view and it shouldn't be Pakistan's view .... the view should represent the vision of whole Jammu & Kashmir.

Just stop talking about stuff that you guys don't understand. If you understand try to assess other people views more objectively than trying to live in a shell.

Many movements are started by youth .... the question being raised is: Do they have a vision in mind or they just on adrenaline rush? While the other students are making their live better the people in the valley are not just progressing forward just because of the constant violence instigated by themselves and by the militants.

Just look at the recent protests.... thats a huge impact on many people who live on daily markets .... you protest today ... don't do your job and the next day you can't blame the country for your plight.

People have to stop blaming others for their mishaps.

I will simply tell you one thing that when you call a freedom movement that has sustained itself for 60 years , hundred thousand killings , rapes, forced disappearances in the most millatarised zone on planet as adrenaline rush you reveal your deep rooted biases and nothing more .