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[Bhairava]

well we are talking about Kashmir as a whole and the link you posted is just a propoganda against geelani ....
well geelani represents the majority in Kashmir ....

YES Geelani represents the Kashmire.... thats the tru picture correct yourself please

Fine I can only say the earth is round...Its for u to believe it or not..I cant prove it by taking u on a space ship and showing indeed its round when seen from space.

I told u the reality.Ur not accepting..Fine no problems for me as it doesnt change even an inch on ground.Bye

 

[karan.1970]

That is what Indians were saying ten years ago too, and this time around it is those who have benefited from 'developmental activities' -college students, professionals etc. - who are part and parcel of the protests.

And see how the 10 years have changed the complexion of the Kashmir Issue. 4500 people (civilians/Sec forces/Terrorists) killed in 2001 and 377 in 2009. You may think not, but from where I stand, I see 93% of reduction in the problem.

 

[karan.1970]

Kashmire is on UNO table with as disputed land b/w Pakistan and india .... no matter what indian say who cares for you.....

Kashmir is a part of Pakistan and we will get it one day what ever you indians say.... its our land...and its disputed land and IOK

When did UNSC last mention Kashmir in any resolution?

Make up your mind. Is it a part of Pakistan or is it disputed?

 

[EjazR]

Please note tha this is a local published paper so don't dismiss it as "Indian propaganda"

Check this madness

An unruly mob attacked the ambulance of Sub-district Hospital Pattan and roughed up doctors including the Block Medical Officer (BMO) near Singhpora Pattan Monday. Poor doctors including the BMO were physically manhandled with slaps and punches and showered with choicest abuses. Their only crime was that they had bothered to attend their duties and make themselves available to ailing people when majority prefers the safety of homes!

Had these people also stayed home, they would have been spared the insults and humiliation they faced. But they had come to the hospital, so they had to undergo nasty treatment at the hands of a mad mob, likes of which have been let loose on the Kashmir’s hapless population throughout its length and breadth. Besides the poor BMO, his other colleagues including a female doctor were abused and the ambulance damaged. This happened because the BMO had refused ambulance to a group of maverick youth who wanted to misuse it to escape curfew and restrictions so as to visit SKIMS Soura to enquire about the health of a local boy undergoing treatment there.
So let’s first decide: wasn’t the said BMO right in refusing ambulance for the purpose it was being asked for? Ambulances are no doubt public property, but this doesn’t mean that they should be available at will to any Tom, Dick and Harry for joy-rides or leisure trips. They are meant for medical emergencies and the sweet desire of a group of people to go and visit an ailing colleague undergoing treatment at the state’s best medical facility is certainly not so big an emergency for which a government ambulance running on government fuel should be made available and risked along with a government driver. What if the ambulance was given to them and while it was still away there was some medical emergency concerning someone’s life and death? Who would, and how could the non-availability of the ambulance in such a case have been justified?

What happened it sheer hooliganism and certainly not the ‘Azadi’ activism. Those involved in the incident must be taken to task. But here again the unfortunate question is who will do so. Ideally the police is meant for dealing with such matters, but partly because of its own follies and partly because of the secessionist politics, police remains discredited and relegated to be seen as an adversarial force which won’t be trusted with the job. So, if we don’t trust the police, then we will also have to figure out how to deal with such elements who are having a field day in the ‘absolutist anarchy’ that is ruling the roost in Kashmir now. An entire population cannot be left to the mercy of psychotic hooligans who go on victimizing people at will and yet remain remorseless for they as well as their patrons credit them with fighting for ‘Azadi’. It’s unfortunate that among the people who have taken over the role of commandeering public anger and outrage on roads and streets, are some self-styled “commanders” who are turning off a lot of people through their insolence, and bring disrepute to the entire “movement”.

What happened at Singhpora is not an isolated incident. Such incidents keep happening day in and day out; it’s only that some make it to the news while majority go unreported. Last month a group of young people intercepted a car from Tarzoo Sopore headed for a wedding ceremony at Wadipora, Handwara. The three men and four women travelling in the vehicle were ruthlessly herded out, beaten and slammed with ****** invectives for having dared to venture out “in defiance” of shutdown. The women faced still worst when a broom of nettle was brushed on their bellies and backs after pulling up their shirts. So harsh was this nasty and torturous humiliation that a woman victim fainted and had to be rushed to hospital for treatment. The doctors who attended on the women confirmed that they had nettle rashes on their backs and bellies.

Now one may ask how can such a shameless behaviour be justified and allowed to go unchecked. People who indulge in or espouse such pornography of violence, damaging ambulances and other public property, beating and humiliating people who have to venture out because of some emergency, as “revolutionary acts”, are actually hiding their psychosis behind a political mask they have so conveniently confused with ‘Azadi’!

angry youth is ready to hit a civilian car to enforces strike at Bemina By-pass.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

And see how the 10 years have changed the complexion of the Kashmir Issue. 4500 people (civilians/Sec forces/Terrorists) killed in 2001 and 377 in 2009. You may think not, but from where I stand, I see 93% of reduction in the problem.

Your figures only reflect the nature of the agitation changing, with a lot of support from Pakistan I might add, from violent insurgency based to protests and political activism based.

The desire to end Indian occupation however has not changed, and in fact the demographics of the latest protests indicates that educated and younger Kashmiris are in fact continuing the struggle of their parents generation.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

apart from being Muslim majority; it is also an existential battle I feel. In fact, a lot of the youth tend not to be very religiously radical. They are just doing what they feel is the right thing to do --and that is to stand up against indian occupation which at times like now is more brutal than it ever has been for quite some time

it is natural for Kashmiris to resist; and they are perfectly within their right to do so

 

[xyz]

just wait till we have UnSC membership.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

what will that do? win you more free hand to kill and maim in Kashmir?

 

[SekrutYakhni]

God Help Kashmir!!
Freedom fighters, we are with you!!!!

 

[BATMAN]

 

[LaBong]

IBNLive.com > CNN IBN Live Streaming

watch Kashmiri pandit students and Kashmiru muslim students debate.

 

[civfanatic]

Srinagar/Islamabad, Aug 18:
One person sustained bullet injuries and more than a dozen were injured in police and CRPF action on Wednesday as government clamped curfew in Srinagar and major towns of Kashmir to foil the marches called by Syed Ali Shah Geelani-led Hurriyat Conference against the killings in the Valley. The recent unrest marked by almost continuous shutdown across the valley completed 69 days today.
Police and CRPF swung into action in Narbal on Srinagar-Varmul highway to disperse a huge protest rally which was demonstrating against killing of a local boy, Muhammad Umar Dar, in firing by CRPF four days ago. One person was shot in Tarigam village of Kulgam district when police and CRPF fired at a protest rally.
Geelani had asked people of summer capital to march towards HMT here and those from other districts including Varmul and Islamabad to respective district headquarters and houses of those killed in police and CRPF firing.

CENTER KASHMIR
A huge protest rally was taken out in Narbal on Srinagar-Varmul highway against the killing of Umar. Carrying placards with his pictures, the protestors including women and youth shouted pro-freedom and anti-India slogans. Though the angry protestors burnt worn-out tyres at many places on the highway, there was no stone pelting incident reported from the area.
However, eyewitnesses said situation worsened when police and CRPF fired several teargas canisters and resorted to aerial firing to disperse the procession. Among the injured are Umar Habeeb, Adil Ahmad, and Hanief Malik.
Authorities sealed all roads leading to HMT with heavy presence of police and CRPF on roads lined by barbed wires, barricades and drop gates. Strict curfew was imposed in other areas of the city including the outskirts like Chanapora, Sonwar which connect the summer capital with other districts. In downtown here heavy deployment of forces on roads and inner streets of Mohallas prevented people from venturing out of their homes.
People attempted to carry out protest rallies in Natipora and Barzulla here which were thwarted by the forces. Reports about protest demonstrations were also received from Nishat and other areas of the city.
Massive protests erupted at HMT on the city outskirts this afternoon with people attempting to take out a protest rally. However, police and CRPF which was deployed in large numbers in the area swung into action and resorted to aerial firing and fired several teargas canisters to disperse the protestors, reports said.
The high-handedness of CRPF triggered massive protest demonstrations in Sidiqabad Batamaloo. Eyewitnesses told Greater Kashmir that CRPF troopers barged into residential houses, beaten up inmates and ransacked the household items without provocation. After the incident, scores of youth took to streets and fought pitched battles with troopers, which last for many hours.
Protests were held in different areas of Budgam district including Kralpora, Wathora, Chadoora and Charar-i-Sharief. However there was no report of any untoward incident.
Complete shutdown was observed in this district. Police chased away scores of youth who had gathered at Dudarhama to protests against the killing, triggering stone pelting by protesters.
Chanting pro freedom slogans, people staged protest demonstration at Srinagar-Leh highway near Dursum Haripora. However, police resorted to lathi-charge to disperse them.

SOUTH KASHMIR
Curfew remained enforced in almost all towns of south Kashmir even as police and paramilitary forces used force to disperse peaceful protests which erupted in many villages. While Islamabad town continued to remain under curfew for the 6th straight day, Tral township was put under curfew for second consecutive day.
Elsewhere in Pulwama, Kakpora, Kulgam, Bijbehara and Mattan curfew was re-imposed after a day’s gap. However, massive demonstrations broke out in many villages even as government forces used force to disperse the protesters injuring several of them.
Following Tuesday’s firing on a procession in which a dozen people were injured, curfew was strictly enforced in Kokernag and its adjoining areas of Biddar and Hangalgund. However, people from many other villages including Naripura, Watinad, Sagam, Boochu, Zalangam, Hilad, Dehran, Harpora, Badasgam, Mohripura, Naar, Khalihar and Nagam staged massive pro-freedom demonstrations.
Paramilitary CRPF men and police used force on the peaceful processions at Boochu, Sagam, Zalangam and Hilad. They resorted to aerial firing, baton charge and fired several tear gas canisters. At least eight people sustained injuries in the action by government forces.
Police and CRPF men, residents alleged, then unleashed a reign of terror in the area by barging into several houses, ransacking the house hold goods, smashing the window panes and beating up the inmates including women and children.
Meanwhile, the condition of Irfan Ahmad Khan of Naripura Watinad, injured in CRPF firing on Tuesday, continues to be critical in SKIMS.
Several people were injured in Achabal, when police and CRPF men resorted to baton charge and fired tear gas canisters to disperse a peaceful procession. Reports of protest demonstrations were received from Dooru, Shangus and Verinag.
People of Islamabad town alleged that police and CRPF men barred them from offering prayers in many Masjids. They accused forces of barging into their houses and damaging household items. In the evening when the restrictions were eased youth took to streets at various places including Khanbal, Naibasti, Laizbal, Gulshanabad and old town areas of Lal Chowk, Reeshi Bazar, Malkahnag, Cheeni Chowk and staged protests.
They engaged police and CRPF in pitched battles who retaliated by lobbing tear gas canisters and firing several rounds in air. Acting upon the call of Hurriyat (G), people of the town late in the evening marched towards Laizbal to pay tributes to slain youth, Ishad Ahmad Latoo, killed in CRPF firing five days back.
Curfew was strictly clamped in Mattan and Bijbehara towns also.
In Tarigam village of Kulgam, people offered Zuhar prayers on the roads. However, eyewitnesses said as the payers were concluded huge contingent of police and CRPF arrived on the scene and resorted to firing, tear gas shelling and baton charge.
One person identified as Basheer Ahmad Rather son of Ghulam Rasool Rather, 33, received bullet injury. He was admitted in district hospital Kulgam. Several youth some of whom were identified as Bashir Ahmad Bhat, Irshad Ahmad Sheikh, were detained by the police.
“The CRPF men went berserk and broke the window panes of several houses in a nearby Buchroo village. The window panes of a masjid were also broken by the CRPF men,” eyewitnesses said.
Curfew was strictly enforced in Kulgam and Qaimoh towns with reports of protest demonstrations from Khudwani, Redwani, Frisal, Ashmuji and Yaripora. People offered prayers on roads in these areas. In Tral township, where about a dozen people were injured in CRPF firing on Monday evening, curfew was strictly enforced with reports of pro-freedom demonstrations pouring in from the adjoining villages.
Curfew was clamped in Pulwama and Kakpora towns also. While in Pampore, Awantipora and Shopian only restrictions were imposed and people took out pro-freedom processions and prayed on the roads.

NORTH KASHMIR
Strict curfew was clamped in Varmul town and adjoining areas to thwart the march program. Authorities late Tuesday night made announcements on loudspeakers about today’s curfew. Large contingent of police and CRPF forced people to stay indoors.
Late in the evening, minor clashes were reported between the youth and police near Azadgung bridge in Varmul.
Strict restrictions were imposed in Sopur, Kupwara and other areas of north Kashmir. Large contingent of forces were seen deployed on roads to prevent people from coming out of their homes.
Residents of Trehgam alleged that paramilitary CRPF troopers and police “unleashed reign of terror” in the area.
They alleged that troopers were not allowing them to pray at Jamia Masjid.

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2010/Aug/19/namazis-fired-at-in-kulgam-1-hurt-50.asp

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Protesters have to do it with out violance..they have to respect the majority kashmiris who live peacefuly and happily and in full support of indian and jammu kashmir govt.
it is govt's duty to ensure the safety of public and private property and lives of general public.
when mob throws stones and burn and destroy everything NO MATTER WHETHER IT'S KASHMIR,TIBET,BALOOCH, WHERE EVER..RESPONSE IS THE SAME.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Both countries are not in favour of independent Kashmir. Both don't want to lose land area. Solution in my opinion is neither plebiscite nor independence from both countries. The only solution is to accept LOC as international boundary. That's the only way to bring peace in region.

Are you pakistani ?

 

[GUNNER]

Deadly Protests in Kashmir Test India’s Inclusive Ideals

By LYDIA POLGREEN

SRINAGAR, Kashmir — It is hard these days to find a far-flung corner of the world’s largest democracy that is not caught up in some fractious struggle. On India’s northeastern fringes, ethnic minorities agitate for independence. In its forested heartland, a Maoist uprising seeks to overthrow the government. Caste, religion, gender and poverty — these are all fault lines that tear at India’s fabric.

Yet if India is the land of a million mutinies, in V. S. Naipaul’s famous phrase, it is also the land of a million accommodations — creative, if often messy, solutions to seemingly intractable problems.

Speaking to the multitudes gathered at New Delhi’s Red Fort on Sunday to commemorate India’s Independence Day, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh declared, “India’s democracy has the generosity and the flexibility to be able to address the concerns of any area or any group of the country.”

Throughout its history India has managed to accommodate an extraordinary degree of diversity within its much disputed but nevertheless sacrosanct borders. Many ethnic, linguistic and religious groups have tried to prove, by word and deed, that they are not Indian, yet somehow India has managed to envelop them in its capacious embrace.

But as the past two months have shown, Kashmir is the one blood-soaked exception. Nearly 60 civilians have died in angry protests against India’s military presence there, and the cry for self-rule seems to grow stronger with each new body interred in this city’s growing Martyrs Graveyard. India has tried brute military force, Indian-style democracy and pork-barrel spending. Nothing has worked.

Why has India’s charm, so effective elsewhere, failed it here?

It is Indian political boilerplate to say that Kashmir is an integral part of India. In his Independence Day speech, Mr. Singh uttered this mantra in practically the same breath as he called for dialogue to resolve the crisis in Kashmir. The trouble, analysts and historians say, is that India’s claim on Kashmir is hardly ironclad.

“This is a genuinely international dispute,” said Ramachandra Guha, a historian whose book, “India After Gandhi,” details the messy process by which Kashmir became part of India after partition in 1947. “India has a case for its position, but it is not foolproof.”

At independence Kashmir was one of hundreds of princely states that had to be won over by either India or Pakistan. A Hindu maharajah ruled Kashmir, but its people were predominantly Muslim. The maharajah, a polo-loving playboy named Hari Singh, wanted independence, but faced with an invasion by tribal Pathans from Pakistan he agreed to join India in exchange for military help.

But Pakistan claimed the region, too, and India eventually approached the United Nations, which led to a Security Council resolution that a plebiscite be held to determine whether Kashmiris want to join India or Pakistan. At Pakistan’s insistence, independence was not included as an option. That plebiscite never took place, and now an unsettled, quasi border called the Line of Control divides Kashmir.

India’s first prime minister, Jawarhalal Nehru, was of Kashmiri origin and badly wanted Kashmir to remain with India, yet, as he wrote to the maharajah, “However much we may want this, it cannot be done ultimately except through the good will of the mass of the population.”

In the decades after independence, Kashmiris might not have been particularly happy with Indian rule, but violent revolt against it seemed unthinkable.

It was not until the 1970s and ’80s, when India’s democracy was most deeply imperiled, that a series of stolen elections and broken promises planted the seed of rebellion. Pakistan, eager to wrest the region from India by force, helped start an insurgency in 1989. As soon as the struggle for independence, as genuine and native as it might have been, was tainted by Pakistani involvement, Kashmir was cast in a much darker light.

During the insurgency 60,000 people died. Kashmiri Hindus, who had once lived comfortably beside Muslim neighbors, fled in droves. Political Islam crept in. Relations between India and Pakistan cratered, and the blowback hit Kashmir. In 1999 there was the Kargil War, in 2001 the attack on Parliament by Pakistani militants, and finally the terrible attacks on Mumbai in 2008.

Today the Kashmir insurgency has been all but vanquished. A recent survey conducted by a researcher at Chatham House, a research institute in London, found that no more than 7 percent of people in the most anti-India areas wanted Kashmir to join Pakistan. The question India faces now, analysts say, is how to convince Kashmiris that even if independence were an option, being a part of India is a better choice. Kashmir would be a tiny, vulnerable nation at the crossroads of Asia’s three major nuclear powers. It would almost certainly be dominated by Pakistan and China.

“Today, the goal is freedom, independence,” said Mehbooba Mufti, a leader of Kashmir’s main opposition political party. “We mainstream politicians have to find a way to reconcile the aspirations of the people while balancing the national interest.”

Kashmiris have a habit of correcting visitors who refer to them as Indians — they are, they insist, Kashmiris. But India also has fallen into the habit of not treating Kashmiris like Indians. Life in Kashmir is full of indignities and inconveniences imposed in the name of security. Endless curfews shutter people indoors. Text messaging, beloved by teenagers and mob organizers alike, is often shut down.

The security forces are shielded from scrutiny by special laws, allowing them to use deadly force with little regard for the consequences. While any government has the responsibility to maintain law and order, nearly 60 deaths of unarmed civilians strike most here as excessive force.

Malik Sajad, a cartoonist for Greater Kashmir, an English-language daily newspaper published in Srinagar, said that if India wanted Kashmiris to think of themselves as Indians they needed to start treating them like citizens, not subjects.

“The presence of India in Kashmir is the troopers and army and nothing else,” he said in an interview in his studio here, where he has been cooped up for weeks during the curfew. “What is India doing to prove that our future lies with them? They are just bringing more troops to crush us.”

In recent comments on Kashmir, Mr. Singh and other Indian officials have avoided referring to the protesters as agents of Pakistan.

Acknowledging that the people of Kashmir have legitimate grievances and genuine aspirations is a welcome change, said Amitabh Mattoo, a professor of Strategic Studies at Jawarhalal Nehru University and a Kashmiri Hindu. But that is not enough.

“If you want to hold on to Kashmir, it will require a real perestroika and glasnost put together,” he said.