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[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It all boils down to the imbecilic leaders that Kashmiris have.

Why should a leadership struggling for the right to self-determination promised them at the alleged accession and in the UNSC be considered 'imbecilic'?

The only imbeciles here are the ones running Indian policy and supporting the continued occupation of Kashmir and its people, who care little for India as is obvious.

Gandhi, Nehru & Patel were 'imbeciles' by your logic then for struggling for independence from the British.

 

[MZUBAIR]

Innocent Kashmirie needs guns & weapons to crush these terrorists troops

 

[brahmastra]

They will have a future when they can live out of the shadow of 500,000 soldiers enforcing Indian occupation of the region.

They will have a future when they are allowed to determine their destiny through a plebiscite and promised them by India and the UN.

Lets do it.

This resolution was in the form of an assurance provided to India before the main U.N. Resolution of August 13, 1948, was to be implemented. The Resolution on Assurance said:-

1. Responsibility for the security of J&K rests with Government of India.

2. The sovereignty of the J&K Government over the entire territory of the State shall not be brought under question.

3. There shall be no recognition of the so-called Azad (Free) Kashmir Government.

4. The territory occupied by Pakistan shall not be consolidated to the disadvantage of the State of J&K.

5. The administration of the evacuated areas in the North shall revert to the Government of J&K and its defence to the Government of India, who will, if necessary, maintain garrison for preventing the incursion oftribesmen and for guarding main trade routes.

6. Pakistan shall be excluded from all affairs of J&K in particular in the plebiscite, of one should be held.

7. If a plebiscite is found to be impossible for technical or practical reasons, the Commission will consider other methods of determining fair and equitable conditions for ensuring a free expression of people’s will.

8. Plebescite proposal shall not be binding upon India if Pakistan does not implement Part I and II of the resolution of 13th August, 1948.

(The resolution had called upon Pakistan to withdraw troops from occupied Kashmir)

 

[ARCHON]

The first thing kashmiris need to come to terms with is the reality of their situation. Much as many kashmiris want independence, it would help to recognize that it is a political impossibility. No one in the world wants an independent kashmir — Not india, not pakistan, not the west, not china, not europe. In addition, an independent kashmir would not exist for more than a month, were it to become independent in the first place. When india’s 1.2mm army can’t defend borders of kashmir, how do yo expect a country with a total population of 5mm and no history of having its own armed forces, completely landlocked, with 3 nuclear armed, massive armies on its border to maintain its independence? So for a start, it would help if kashmir’s muslims would at least aim for/demand something realistic.

Second, no point blaming the indian army for abuses. They only became an overpowering presence after the 1990 armed subversion — there were no human rights abuses before 90. Unfortunately, you brought it upon yourself.

Third, if kashmir’s muslims really care about kashmir and its uniqueness, it would help if they took a more sensible approach to rebuild for the future. Pelting stones, raising cries of jihad, provoking violence is at the end of the vandalism, not nation building. The irresponsibile nature of kashmir’s political leadership is truly remarkable.

Fourth and last, lets not kid anyone by arguing that the kashmiri rebellion is anything but an attempt to establish an islamic state. The suppressing of kashmiri culture and inculcation of arab culture in kashmir has probably been the most depressing aspect of the turmoil in the last 20 yrs.

 

[MZUBAIR]

Azad Kashmir, Gilgit, Baltistan is our.....n peace is there

But Jammu n Kashmir is not urs (India)....

U cant go there.......if u will attempt to do, stones will welcome u from the people of Kashmir...

Look at closely, Jammu n Kashmir is the part of Pakistan by all means ......we already have Azad Kashmir, Gilgit , Baltistan, Karakoram Range ..etc

Inshallah we wil get back our remaining land (J&K)

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Lets do it.

This resolution was in the form of an assurance provided to India before the main U.N. Resolution of August 13, 1948, was to be implemented. The Resolution on Assurance said:-

1. Responsibility for the security of J&K rests with Government of India.

2. The sovereignty of the J&K Government over the entire territory of the State shall not be brought under question.

3. There shall be no recognition of the so-called Azad (Free) Kashmir Government.

4. The territory occupied by Pakistan shall not be consolidated to the disadvantage of the State of J&K.

5. The administration of the evacuated areas in the North shall revert to the Government of J&K and its defence to the Government of India, who will, if necessary, maintain garrison for preventing the incursion oftribesmen and for guarding main trade routes.

6. Pakistan shall be excluded from all affairs of J&K in particular in the plebiscite, of one should be held.

7. If a plebiscite is found to be impossible for technical or practical reasons, the Commission will consider other methods of determining fair and equitable conditions for ensuring a free expression of people’s will.

8. Plebescite proposal shall not be binding upon India if Pakistan does not implement Part I and II of the resolution of 13th August, 1948.

(The resolution had called upon Pakistan to withdraw troops from occupied Kashmir)

Subsequent resolutions and UN commissions offer far more detail than that, and why Pakistan is not in violation of the UNSC resolutions, and that has been discussed on the UNSC resolutions thread - continue that discussion there after reading through the thread please.

In any case, at the moment India is point blank refusing plebiscite, let alone asking Pakistan to implement any one of the demilitarization plans recommended by various UN commissions, all of which were rejected by India.

 

[Break the Silence]

@ Muzbair comeon give it a try, why using terrorists and seperatist as indirect weapons,...

 

[indushek]

Yeah Yeah have been hearing this for a long time man. Whatever makes u happy and go to sleep.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Second, no point blaming the indian army for abuses. They only became an overpowering presence after the 1990 armed subversion — there were no human rights abuses before 90. Unfortunately, you brought it upon yourself.

Incorrect - India caused the 'armed subversion' by reneging on her commitment to self-determination for the Kashmiris. When you forcibly occupy a people, some of them are bound to get frustrated.

 

[MZUBAIR]

@ Muzbair comeon give it a try, why using terrorists and seperatist as indirect weapons,...

Pakistan flag in Srinagar

Indian glag burned in Kashmir

n u got the answer

 

[Break the Silence]

Innocent Kashmirie needs guns & weapons to crush these terrorists troops

Koi kasar chhod rakhi hai....????what the f*** happened with me, why I have opened this thread... Spoiled my morning..

 

[gubbi]

It is not India's territory to claim sovereignty over. The Kashmiris were promised a plebiscite, and the UNSC, including India, endorsed and committed to that right.

India's reneging on that commitment and occupation and attempted subjugation of the Kashmiris is indeed a shameful and morally bankrupt act, surpassed only by those who call for yet more oppression and atrocities to cement an existing occupation of a people and their land.

It is not Indian land, it is not recognized internationally as Indian land, and it never will be until Pakistan signs off on the dispute as 'resolved', or the Kashmiris are allowed to exercise self-determination and choose India.

Contrary to what you want to believe, Kashmir is and will remain an integral part of India.

Btw, Pakistan on one hand wants right of self determination to Kashmiris. Fair enough. But why is Pakistan poking its nose in what is truly India's internal affairs? Isnt that none of Pakistan's business?

On the other hand isnt Pakistan's description of the area as a disputed territory an implicit acknowledgement of Pakistan's desire to covet the piece of prime real estate? Isnt that gluttony on Pakistan's part? Pakistan cannot even control all the territories it claims and yet covets Kashmir which it can never control, given India being right next door!!

What is it that Pakistan wants exactly, and why? After 60 plus years, isnt it about time that one atleast learns to manage one's own affairs and house?

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Pakistan flag in Srinagar

Seriously, cant you recognize your own country's flag? What a shame!

 

[Break the Silence]

Pakistan flag in Srinagar

if that is Pakistan's flag, then which country's flag is this-

 

[NWO]

After 60 plus years, isnt it about time that one atleast learns to manage one's own affairs and house?

Did you guys have the Soviets knocking on your back door, and a unstable neighbor like Afghanistan? Yeah, I thought so. You guys can't control your country better then we can, you've just gotten luckier then we have.

 

[brahmastra]

Incorrect - India caused the 'armed subversion' by reneging on her commitment to self-determination for the Kashmiris. When you forcibly occupy a people, some of them are bound to get frustrated.

Incorrect.
You tried to get 'Badlaa'(revenge) after what happened in '71 war.

You first tried to separate Punjab. You failed and your try ended in '84.
then you started the same ugly game with Kashmir in '89. but you will fail. Again.