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Why the refusal to hold a plebsicite in all of J&K then, and why renege on your commitments to the UNSC resolutions?

1. Bad security situation
2. Hunderereds and thousands people, maily Pundits, have left the valley and many cant be traced who would surely vote for India.
3. Referendum? No political party in India would commit suicide by holding referendu. It's not that India would loose, it's about giving in to Pakistan's demand and let UN hold on indian terratory.

You would call this offtopic and I would call it parrallel situation. I dont see your support for Chinese muslims.
 
@ jana:

Stop embarassing your self with picture slids and calling it video.
 
may be this is the reason why actual people of kashmir donot support separatists.

 
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Amusing....however lets just state that the Indian army has never been implicated in Genocide....that cannot be said of our neighbors.
 
Report: Kashmiri women raped before killing
Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:54:31 GMT


A forensic report confirms that the two women who died under suspicious circumstances in the Indian-administered Kashmir had been sexually assaulted.

The report given by experts confirmed that 17-year-old Asiya and her 22-year-old sister-in-law, Nilufar were sexually assaulted in the volatile valley before their death last week, The Hindu reported on Monday.


The doctors who conducted the autopsy said that the bodies had visible marks of violence and further investigations were to be carried out to see if it was a gang rape.

The report would bring embarrassment to the government that had rejected the charges, claiming that preliminary investigations showed the two women had drowned.

The protesters and the families of the victims allege that the two women from the southern district of Shopian were gang-raped and subsequently killed by Indian troops last Friday.

The bodies of the two women were recovered the next morning near a canal in the troubled region.

This is while daily life in Indian Kashmir remained paralyzed for the seventh consecutive day as a consequence of a general strike.

An insurgency against Indian rule in Kashmir has left thousands dead over the past two decades.

Press TV - Report: Kashmiri women raped before killing
 
1. Bad security situation
Why not a statement stating clearly that a plebsicite would be held once the security situation improves?

In addition, the security situation/insurgency is bad BECAUSE of the Indian decision to renege on its commitment to the UNSC resolutions and a plebiscite and unilaterally annex J&K to India.

2. Hunderereds and thousands people, maily Pundits, have left the valley and many cant be traced who would surely vote for India.

A program, under the auspices of the UN and other international agencies, can be undertaken under which such people are traced out and recorded so that they can cast their votes. In any case, this issue comes into play only if the result is narrow enough to allow for the numbers who have migrated to be decisive.
3. Referendum? No political party in India would commit suicide by holding referendu. It's not that India would loose, it's about giving in to Pakistan's demand and let UN hold on indian terratory.
That is what your nation committed to and agreed to in the UNSC.

Your argument is essentially that of a child, 'he says it so I won't do it'.
You would call this offtopic and I would call it parrallel situation. I dont see your support for Chinese muslims.
Chinese Muslims are not on internationally recognized disputed territory or a conflict that Pakistan is a party to - completely off topic.
 
Amusing....however lets just state that the Indian army has never been implicated in Genocide....that cannot be said of our neighbors.

Please look into the East Pakistan atrocity and genocide threads - plenty of rebuttals have been provided to the claims made about East Pakistan, and stay on topic please.
 
Excellent Video Brahmastra. This is how innocent Kashmiris are mislead by Jehadi terrorists into some misplaced idea of "azadi", which is nothing but slavery under religious extremism.
 
3/16/09
Indian army mocks inquiry report

Shame on the biased Indian media



The occupation forces showed their true colors today and inadvertently divulged the truth about all inquiries that have ever been called by the so-called government of Kashmir.

The following statement of the army has been reported by most dailies,"...the army’s Brigade command has informed the government that such an inquiry was not valid under the Army Act". Although this attitude of the occupation army does not surprise Kashmiris at all because we have known their colonial attitude all along. What is evident from this statement is that it exposes the fact that all previous inquiries were in fact shams. We have known this since the first Kashmiri fell prey to the bullets of the criminal Indian Army, and the first ever inquiry, that still has not been concluded, was called many decades ago. This statement just reinforces what we had known all along - that the inquiries are a mere lip service to pacify an agitated population.

The present inquiry into the deaths of Javed and Amin of Bomai was an anomaly in the long list of inquiries because it was infact concluded and submitted within the promised time. Another big anomaly was that it implicated the army in this crime, which the occupation forces had not anticipated, and caught them off-guard. So the Indian occupation forces have improvised their approach and started to backpaddle.

The Army act!

Delayed reflexes of the occupiers - that's how I characterize this latest antic. And because the inquiry officer, Baseer Ahmad Khan, did not succumb to Indian pressure to alter his report, and surprisingly Omar Abdullah is holding his ground, the Indian occupation forces have changed tactics and started feeding the media that they "will not participate in the inquiry". Too late for that. One thing about criminal minds is that their reflexes are usually slow. The world already knows that the Indian army officers testified before the inquiry officer and had even tried to pressurize him to alter the inquiry report in their favour. And now that the inquiry report has already been concluded and has indicted the Indian army, they want to give the impression that their officers never testified before the inquiry officer. But it is too late for that, unless they can destroy all news reports of February 26, 2009, when the commandants of that base camp testified before the commisioner, then their attempts to backpaddle are futile. (click here to read the news report of that day).

Now that things did not go as they had planned, they want to spin it the other way and invoke some "Army act" to discredit the inquiry report, which fortunately they will not succeed in because Kashmiris are a million times smarter then these petty criminal Indian officers.

Guess who bought this line of their newest nonsense? The biased, communal minded and illogical Indian media.

Here is what a reporter named Sumir Kaul reported for the Press Trust of India (PTI) "Army refuses to be part of govt probe into J&K killings" was the headline, and this is how the story starts, "Army has refused to participate in the inquiry being conducted by the Jammu and Kashmir government...." (click here to read this biased reporting). It is very unlikely that a news organisation like PTI would be unaware that the army had already testified in the inquiry and that the inquiry has already been concluded and submitted to the government. The fact that they chose to report this story as though the inquiry was still ongoing, clearly exposes their bias and malicious intentions.

If people are not able to see through this mockery as a spin and an attempt to rewrite the outcome of the inquiry, then they need to pay a bit more attention. The Indian media is too biased and blinded by their hatred against Kashmiris to have the ethics to report honestly.

Contrast the above biased reporting with how Greater Kashmir, a Kashmiri newspaper, accurately reported the same story:

Here is what GK reported, "ARMY ‘REJECTS’ BOMAI PROBE", was the headline, and this is how they developed the main part of the story, "The inquiry report is reported to have blamed the army personnel for not verifying the claims of their informers before shooting down the innocent civilians." (click here to read the full article)

I will leave it to the readers to decide for themselves whether they feel the Indian media is infact biased and unreliable.

Shame on Indian democracy and their biased media.


Kashmir Truth Be Told Blog: Indian army mocks inquiry report
 
Kashmiri people want ‘azadi’ from India: IHK CM


By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: The Kashmiri people want ‘azadi’ (freedom) from the Union of India, Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) Chief Minister Omar Abdullah has said.

In an interview with the strategic journal, Force, Abdullah said he would facilitate engagement between New Delhi and the ‘azadi’ sentiment. However, he added that people wanted freedom from New Delhi, not him or Ghulam Nabi Azad or Mufti Muhammad Sayed. He said trade across the Line of Control (LoC) was disappointing, describing it as “not trade, but barter”. “If I send them stuff and am unable to call and track my payment, I am not in a position to supply goods to them,” he said.

Unfriendly atmosphere: The chief minister said poor relations between India and Pakistan were the biggest hurdle to peace and development in Kashmir. He said relations between the two neighbours directly impact the levels of infiltration and violence in IHK. He also said the outcome of the Indian general elections would have a direct bearing on the situation in Jammu and Kashmir. “If the government at the Centre changes, that can prove to be a little bit of a stumbling block along the way,” he added.

Listing his priorities after the Lok Sabha elections, Abdullah said he would ensure the visible presence of military personnel was reduced, while state police adopted a more proactive role. He also called for the establishment of quick response teams to fight militancy.

No consistency: He also criticised successive regimes in New Delhi for lacking consistency in dealing with pro-freedom elements. “Sometimes they are good, sometimes they are not. Sometimes we want to give them passports, sometimes we don’t. I think there is a need to change this attitude,” he said. Agreeing with the European Union (EU) assessment that Kashmir was not an administrative issue, he said the political dimensions of the issue need to be addressed. “We made the mistake in the past of assuming the money was flowing in, the democratically elected government was in place, the violence levels were down so there was no Kashmir issue,” he said, adding that regardless of the level of tourism, the flames of militancy would continue to rekindle without full understanding of the political dimensions.

Army role: On the recent standoff between his government and the army over the killing of two civilians, he said he wanted punishment for the guilty soldiers. “We want the army to send out the right message. But if they want to respond in routine by transferring the guilty to another theatre, we will also respond in routine,” he added.


Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
3/16/09
Indian army mocks inquiry report

Shame on the biased Indian media



The occupation forces showed their true colors today and inadvertently divulged the truth about all inquiries that have ever been called by the so-called government of Kashmir.

The following statement of the army has been reported by most dailies,"...the army’s Brigade command has informed the government that such an inquiry was not valid under the Army Act". Although this attitude of the occupation army does not surprise Kashmiris at all because we have known their colonial attitude all along. What is evident from this statement is that it exposes the fact that all previous inquiries were in fact shams. We have known this since the first Kashmiri fell prey to the bullets of the criminal Indian Army, and the first ever inquiry, that still has not been concluded, was called many decades ago. This statement just reinforces what we had known all along - that the inquiries are a mere lip service to pacify an agitated population.

The present inquiry into the deaths of Javed and Amin of Bomai was an anomaly in the long list of inquiries because it was infact concluded and submitted within the promised time. Another big anomaly was that it implicated the army in this crime, which the occupation forces had not anticipated, and caught them off-guard. So the Indian occupation forces have improvised their approach and started to backpaddle.

The Army act!

Delayed reflexes of the occupiers - that's how I characterize this latest antic. And because the inquiry officer, Baseer Ahmad Khan, did not succumb to Indian pressure to alter his report, and surprisingly Omar Abdullah is holding his ground, the Indian occupation forces have changed tactics and started feeding the media that they "will not participate in the inquiry". Too late for that. One thing about criminal minds is that their reflexes are usually slow. The world already knows that the Indian army officers testified before the inquiry officer and had even tried to pressurize him to alter the inquiry report in their favour. And now that the inquiry report has already been concluded and has indicted the Indian army, they want to give the impression that their officers never testified before the inquiry officer. But it is too late for that, unless they can destroy all news reports of February 26, 2009, when the commandants of that base camp testified before the commisioner, then their attempts to backpaddle are futile. (click here to read the news report of that day).

Now that things did not go as they had planned, they want to spin it the other way and invoke some "Army act" to discredit the inquiry report, which fortunately they will not succeed in because Kashmiris are a million times smarter then these petty criminal Indian officers.

Guess who bought this line of their newest nonsense? The biased, communal minded and illogical Indian media.

Here is what a reporter named Sumir Kaul reported for the Press Trust of India (PTI) "Army refuses to be part of govt probe into J&K killings" was the headline, and this is how the story starts, "Army has refused to participate in the inquiry being conducted by the Jammu and Kashmir government...." (click here to read this biased reporting). It is very unlikely that a news organisation like PTI would be unaware that the army had already testified in the inquiry and that the inquiry has already been concluded and submitted to the government. The fact that they chose to report this story as though the inquiry was still ongoing, clearly exposes their bias and malicious intentions.

If people are not able to see through this mockery as a spin and an attempt to rewrite the outcome of the inquiry, then they need to pay a bit more attention. The Indian media is too biased and blinded by their hatred against Kashmiris to have the ethics to report honestly.

Contrast the above biased reporting with how Greater Kashmir, a Kashmiri newspaper, accurately reported the same story:

Here is what GK reported, "ARMY ‘REJECTS’ BOMAI PROBE", was the headline, and this is how they developed the main part of the story, "The inquiry report is reported to have blamed the army personnel for not verifying the claims of their informers before shooting down the innocent civilians." (click here to read the full article)

I will leave it to the readers to decide for themselves whether they feel the Indian media is infact biased and unreliable.

Shame on Indian democracy and their biased media.


Kashmir Truth Be Told Blog: Indian army mocks inquiry report


Dear Jana, Pls give us some reliable source and donot put comment from any thread or blog, because there are many thread only bashing India like this one.
 
Kashmiri people want ‘azadi’ from India: IHK CM


By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: The Kashmiri people want ‘azadi’ (freedom) from the Union of India, Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) Chief Minister Omar Abdullah has said.

In an interview with the strategic journal, Force, Abdullah said he would facilitate engagement between New Delhi and the ‘azadi’ sentiment. However, he added that people wanted freedom from New Delhi, not him or Ghulam Nabi Azad or Mufti Muhammad Sayed. He said trade across the Line of Control (LoC) was disappointing, describing it as “not trade, but barter”. “If I send them stuff and am unable to call and track my payment, I am not in a position to supply goods to them,” he said.

Unfriendly atmosphere: The chief minister said poor relations between India and Pakistan were the biggest hurdle to peace and development in Kashmir. He said relations between the two neighbours directly impact the levels of infiltration and violence in IHK. He also said the outcome of the Indian general elections would have a direct bearing on the situation in Jammu and Kashmir. “If the government at the Centre changes, that can prove to be a little bit of a stumbling block along the way,” he added.

Listing his priorities after the Lok Sabha elections, Abdullah said he would ensure the visible presence of military personnel was reduced, while state police adopted a more proactive role. He also called for the establishment of quick response teams to fight militancy.

No consistency: He also criticised successive regimes in New Delhi for lacking consistency in dealing with pro-freedom elements. “Sometimes they are good, sometimes they are not. Sometimes we want to give them passports, sometimes we don’t. I think there is a need to change this attitude,” he said. Agreeing with the European Union (EU) assessment that Kashmir was not an administrative issue, he said the political dimensions of the issue need to be addressed. “We made the mistake in the past of assuming the money was flowing in, the democratically elected government was in place, the violence levels were down so there was no Kashmir issue,” he said, adding that regardless of the level of tourism, the flames of militancy would continue to rekindle without full understanding of the political dimensions.

Army role: On the recent standoff between his government and the army over the killing of two civilians, he said he wanted punishment for the guilty soldiers. “We want the army to send out the right message. But if they want to respond in routine by transferring the guilty to another theatre, we will also respond in routine,” he added.


Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Ha ha ha....

I thought Omar wants India and perticular Manmohan singh for J&K.
 
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Exactly. J&K will be a model state in India, unlike Pakistani occupied part, which is still in the dark ages.
 
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