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This guy certain tore a new one for the lies and BS that Chidumbaram, Omar Abdullah, Rahul Gandhi, MMS and a few others are feeding the Indian masses and hiding the true extents of this current riot.
Omar & Rahul get stoned | Rahul Gandhi | Manmohan Singh | Indian Express
Perhaps 15 to 20 Kashmiris have been killed during demonstrations in the Valley this summer, and for the first time since 1993 the army has been asked to assist the civil administration. Plainly, the situation in Jammu and Kashmir has worsened since the days when indigenous militancy had petered out and the Valleys Muslims felt sad that A B Vajpayee was no longer prime minister. And while most commentators have been busy blaming Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, it is obvious that the UPA culprits who let Kashmir slip out of hand are Omars buddy Rahul Gandhi and his chauffeur (as a recent column in The Economist termed him), Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
The Kashmir issue as a matter of fact has been directly dealt with by prime ministers since Partition and Independence. It is true that J L Nehru got us into the international mess by taking the Pakistani tribal invasion to the United Nations in 1948, but it is also true that Kashmir was seen differently than the rest of Indias states by the rest of the world (you can blame British skulduggery or Sheikh Abdullahs Switzerland-type ambitions or the Cold War team-ups, but there it is: Kashmir was always seen as disputed, in the way that no one in the world thinks of Tibet as a natural part of China). It is also true that Nehrus home minister (the best one weve ever had, by far) Sardar Patel was not keen on retaining the Valley. Even recent prime ministers like P V Narasimha Rao and Vajpayee laid down a Kashmir policy, and to say that so far as azaadi is concerned the skys the limit is to make a political statement. Kashmir, as anyone who has had a serious look into the issue knows, is a political problem, not a military one; and it needs a political solution.
Whenever Manmohan Singh visits Kashmir, he mumbles something stale and uninspiring. You would think that this genius economist would have, after six years on the job, learned a thing or two about politics. The only thing it seems he has learned is how to keep his mouth shut and keep his boss, Congress chief Sonia Gandhi, happy. He has not learned that politics is a dynamic process; that what works today may not have worked in 1953; that politics involves a lot of talking almost all the time about everything to everyone and then taking your own decision; that politics cannot be substituted by an economic package or a military deployment; that no one can predict in whose favour time will work; and that in a democracy, you can only solve problems through politics. Manmohan Singh behaves ignorant of all this.
Instead, hes dumped the problem on Union home minister P Chidambaram who has proved that accountants posing as verbose intellectuals are best left in ministries like finance or commerce. Chidambarams pompous demeanour has infected even his bureaucrats, who tell the media that Omar Abdullah has been told to be resolute and bring trouble-makers to justice, and bring the Valley under control. Obviously Chidambaram has gotten such a hammering from the Maoists that he doesnt know where to look, and it is a measure of how things have gotten out of hand that today he sees the Kashmir problem as the soft one. He and his PM have been ambushed. All they can do is lay the blame for stone-throwing in Kashmir on the Lashkar-e-Toiba (left to the LeT it would be lobbing grenades, not stones). And talk of deploying the army, even if it is just a rhetorical measure to help cool down tempers on the street, is not something that will help you find the UN Security Council seat that you keep begging every foreign visitor for.
The worst is the home ministry telling Omar Abdullah what to do. Even in the Hindi heartland, the states do not like being told by the Centre what to do. It always looks bad, and it would seem to have knocked the bottom out of his government. He will not recover, unless something dramatic happens (and even if something dramatic does occur, it is doubtful that he will be involved or be the beneficiary). Omar probably shouldnt have been in the seat of government in the first place, and many commentators are now pointing out how his father Farooq Abdullah had been projected during the last elections as the National Conferences chief ministerial candidate. Many of these same people have always derided Farooq as an attention-deficit playboy, though he has proven to be one of the shrewdest politicians in India (disclosure: this columnist has written a biography of Farooq Abdullah). These commentators now point out that Omar got the top job because of his drag-racing buddy, Rahul Gandhi, who once again wanted to project a youth icon instead of concentrating on good governance.
For those voters who think that a 40-year-old still represents youth, Omars inability to keep control of public protests and to replace stone-throwing with dialogue should be an eye-opener to what kind of disastrous administrator and political leader Rahul Gandhi may turn out to be. It is true that Rahul has been touring the country to strengthen the Youth Congress and by extension his party organisation; it is true that he has increased membership and put up a good showing in UP in the last Lok Sabha elections; and the word from Bihar is that Rahul Gandhi may throw up a surprise or two in the coming assembly poll. However, it remains to be seen whether he can replicate the UP success in 2012, when the assembly elections take place, particularly given Mayawatis administrative and political work in the last one year. In Tamil Nadu his impact remains to be seen.
However, if Rahul can find time to quietly go abroad and celebrate his 40th birthday, then he can certainly find time to give a press conference and take a stance on long-standing policy issues. As The Economist put it, the question remains is what Mr Gandhi believes in. He perhaps thinks he is being clever by not staking out a position and alienating voters. All he is doing is reinforcing the perception that while our young politicians, like Omar, look good, they are incapable of delivering the goods.
So what does this mean for Kashmir? Nothing, and that is saddening. Expect no initiatives while Manmohan Singh and the UPA remain in saddle. And expect that in the way that the Tibet riots shamed China just a month before the Beijing Olympics, the stone-throwing and retaliatory deaths will do the same for us before the Delhi Commonwealth Games three months from now.
Omar & Rahul get stoned | Rahul Gandhi | Manmohan Singh | Indian Express
Perhaps 15 to 20 Kashmiris have been killed during demonstrations in the Valley this summer, and for the first time since 1993 the army has been asked to assist the civil administration. Plainly, the situation in Jammu and Kashmir has worsened since the days when indigenous militancy had petered out and the Valleys Muslims felt sad that A B Vajpayee was no longer prime minister. And while most commentators have been busy blaming Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, it is obvious that the UPA culprits who let Kashmir slip out of hand are Omars buddy Rahul Gandhi and his chauffeur (as a recent column in The Economist termed him), Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
The Kashmir issue as a matter of fact has been directly dealt with by prime ministers since Partition and Independence. It is true that J L Nehru got us into the international mess by taking the Pakistani tribal invasion to the United Nations in 1948, but it is also true that Kashmir was seen differently than the rest of Indias states by the rest of the world (you can blame British skulduggery or Sheikh Abdullahs Switzerland-type ambitions or the Cold War team-ups, but there it is: Kashmir was always seen as disputed, in the way that no one in the world thinks of Tibet as a natural part of China). It is also true that Nehrus home minister (the best one weve ever had, by far) Sardar Patel was not keen on retaining the Valley. Even recent prime ministers like P V Narasimha Rao and Vajpayee laid down a Kashmir policy, and to say that so far as azaadi is concerned the skys the limit is to make a political statement. Kashmir, as anyone who has had a serious look into the issue knows, is a political problem, not a military one; and it needs a political solution.
Whenever Manmohan Singh visits Kashmir, he mumbles something stale and uninspiring. You would think that this genius economist would have, after six years on the job, learned a thing or two about politics. The only thing it seems he has learned is how to keep his mouth shut and keep his boss, Congress chief Sonia Gandhi, happy. He has not learned that politics is a dynamic process; that what works today may not have worked in 1953; that politics involves a lot of talking almost all the time about everything to everyone and then taking your own decision; that politics cannot be substituted by an economic package or a military deployment; that no one can predict in whose favour time will work; and that in a democracy, you can only solve problems through politics. Manmohan Singh behaves ignorant of all this.
Instead, hes dumped the problem on Union home minister P Chidambaram who has proved that accountants posing as verbose intellectuals are best left in ministries like finance or commerce. Chidambarams pompous demeanour has infected even his bureaucrats, who tell the media that Omar Abdullah has been told to be resolute and bring trouble-makers to justice, and bring the Valley under control. Obviously Chidambaram has gotten such a hammering from the Maoists that he doesnt know where to look, and it is a measure of how things have gotten out of hand that today he sees the Kashmir problem as the soft one. He and his PM have been ambushed. All they can do is lay the blame for stone-throwing in Kashmir on the Lashkar-e-Toiba (left to the LeT it would be lobbing grenades, not stones). And talk of deploying the army, even if it is just a rhetorical measure to help cool down tempers on the street, is not something that will help you find the UN Security Council seat that you keep begging every foreign visitor for.
The worst is the home ministry telling Omar Abdullah what to do. Even in the Hindi heartland, the states do not like being told by the Centre what to do. It always looks bad, and it would seem to have knocked the bottom out of his government. He will not recover, unless something dramatic happens (and even if something dramatic does occur, it is doubtful that he will be involved or be the beneficiary). Omar probably shouldnt have been in the seat of government in the first place, and many commentators are now pointing out how his father Farooq Abdullah had been projected during the last elections as the National Conferences chief ministerial candidate. Many of these same people have always derided Farooq as an attention-deficit playboy, though he has proven to be one of the shrewdest politicians in India (disclosure: this columnist has written a biography of Farooq Abdullah). These commentators now point out that Omar got the top job because of his drag-racing buddy, Rahul Gandhi, who once again wanted to project a youth icon instead of concentrating on good governance.
For those voters who think that a 40-year-old still represents youth, Omars inability to keep control of public protests and to replace stone-throwing with dialogue should be an eye-opener to what kind of disastrous administrator and political leader Rahul Gandhi may turn out to be. It is true that Rahul has been touring the country to strengthen the Youth Congress and by extension his party organisation; it is true that he has increased membership and put up a good showing in UP in the last Lok Sabha elections; and the word from Bihar is that Rahul Gandhi may throw up a surprise or two in the coming assembly poll. However, it remains to be seen whether he can replicate the UP success in 2012, when the assembly elections take place, particularly given Mayawatis administrative and political work in the last one year. In Tamil Nadu his impact remains to be seen.
However, if Rahul can find time to quietly go abroad and celebrate his 40th birthday, then he can certainly find time to give a press conference and take a stance on long-standing policy issues. As The Economist put it, the question remains is what Mr Gandhi believes in. He perhaps thinks he is being clever by not staking out a position and alienating voters. All he is doing is reinforcing the perception that while our young politicians, like Omar, look good, they are incapable of delivering the goods.
So what does this mean for Kashmir? Nothing, and that is saddening. Expect no initiatives while Manmohan Singh and the UPA remain in saddle. And expect that in the way that the Tibet riots shamed China just a month before the Beijing Olympics, the stone-throwing and retaliatory deaths will do the same for us before the Delhi Commonwealth Games three months from now.
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Killing them while protesting.. and rolling tanks on them...
tell me the difference between the two in the democratic sense that you have
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well repeat these lines to yourself when other "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" strike!!
"kashmir is our internal problem"
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protest should also be democratic in nature not like pelting stones on forces. only curfew is imposed in kashmir not like marshal law which was imposed 3 times in the history of pakistan. keep it upKilling them while protesting.. and rolling tanks on them...
tell me the difference between the two in the democratic sense that you have
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well repeat these lines to yourself when other "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" strike!!
"kashmir is our internal problem"
Dude.. look carefully where strikes are taking place and how frequently. I dont want to get into comparing the size of corpse piles, but before warning others about FF strikes, look inside your own undisputed provinces to begin with.
Subconciously you are so used to these terror attacks, that 100 people dying in a twin bomb blast merits a mere 4 page discussion on this forum. And you then come here surmonizing Indians on Kashmir and asking them to wait for other FF strikes. with an rofl.
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Curfew back in Srinagar; Army on standby
Jammu and Kashmir Government will consider the option of withdrawing deployment of the army from the valley after the Martyrs' Day on July 13 and the situation as of now was well under control, state Chief Minister Omar Abdullah said on Saturday. "Even now the army has not been brought into the city.
It is only in the periphery, that too it was deployed two days ago," he said in an interview.
Conceding that it was the most difficult decision for him to seek the assistance of Army from the Centre, the 40-year-old Chief Minister, the youngest in the country to occupy the post, said that it was one decision that he would not like to repeat in his term in the office.
Asked when his government would consider withdrawing the Army, which was called out on Tuesday night after escalation in violence in the valley, Abdullah said that it would be done when the government has that level of confidence.
"The situation is being monitored on a daily basis. We will consider that option after July 13 and take a decision," he said in a reference to the observance of Martyrs' Day which is commemorated in memory of those who died fighting the Dogra rule.
Abdullah ruled out quitting the post and also dismissed speculation that his father and Union Minister Farooq Abdullah would step into his shoes.
"A host of people would like me to quit but I am not contemplating such a decision," he said when asked if he had at any time thought of stepping down.
Asked about his father's arrival in the city in the midst of the current situation and reports that he would like to take over as chief minister, Abdullah said there was criticism when his father was not in Kashmir.
"And now that he is coming for his mother's death anniversary tomorrow, my detractors are speculating."
He declined to comment on suggestions that he and his father should swap places and also on reports questioning whether he enjoyed the support of his party.
Abdullah was at pains to point out that the army was deployed only near the airport on the first day and the second day and was no longer deployed anywhere.
The government has not formally cancelled the request for army's assistance but the option is still there.
"While we sought the help, we are firm that the army will not be in direct confrontation with protesters and therefore we asked them to conduct a flag march. That was the need of the hour," he said.
Asking political parties to stop playing "divisive" role, the Chief Minister said the decision of seeking army's help was taken after thorough consultations with coalition partners, cabinet ministers and authorities in a bid to prevent any further loss of innocent lives.
"I have always welcomed healthy criticism but I am averse to criticism which stinks of divisive politics. I do not wish to see trouble on streets but the situation on Tuesday was tense," he said replying to questions about criticism on the decision to call in the army.
"I have police force and paramilitary personnel who are over stretched because of the ongoing Amarnath Yatra. I cannot withdraw from my Counter Insurgency Grid because that will give chance to terrorists to enter the mainland in the Valley.
"Therefore, my government, after consulting with state and central leaders, decided to seek army's help for assisting in maintenance of law and order situation."
He went on to say "only the wearer knows where the shoe pinches".
The Chief Minister said that he had consulted Home Minister P Chidambaram and Defence Minister A K Antony about the situation and the deployment of the army.
Asked about the conversation intercepts of a few Hurriyat leaders indicating that they were engineering killings of innocents, the Chief Minister declined to comment. "At present I need peace for the state. These issues can be worked out later."
On the opposition PDP accusing his government of being inefficient in handling the situation, Abdullah said, "Well the facts and figures speak otherwise.
"There were disturbances and civilian causalities were more. The PDP rule came when New Delhi and Islamabad were getting close. Roads were opened, talks were held with Pakistan and Hurriyat. Guess (the then chief minister Mufti Sayeed) he had no complaints but still the causalities happened."
According to National Crime Records Buearu of the Union Home Ministry, in 2003, the year the People's Democratic Party-Congress alliance government took office, six people were killed in 47 incidents involving the use of force by police.
Thirteen civilians were killed in 2004 when the then Chief Minister Sayeed completed his first year in office. Besides this, police is recorded to have opened fire on 123 occasions.
In 2005, fatalities in police firing rose sharply to 50 and the state government withdrew BSF committed to counter-insurgency operations in Srinagar and replaced them with the CRPF in an effort to contain killings of civilians.
In 2006, the year Ghulam Nabi Azad took over as chief minister, Srinagar saw a series of protests against a prostitution racket in which politicians were implicated. But in 2007, eight civilians were killed in 47 instances of police firing.
Civilian deaths rose sharply in 2008 during the Amarnath agitation, and the state government reported 43 deaths and 317 injuries in 379 incidents involving use of force by police.
Curfew reimposed
Curfew was reimposed in Maisuma locality Srinagar and Jammu and Kashmir's Anantnag and Pulwama towns on Saturday after stone-pelting mobs clashed with security forces, authorities said.
"Miscreants resorted to stone pelting in Maisuma and in Anantnag and Pulwama during curfew relaxation. Curfew was reimposed at these places," a senior police officer said.
Markets remained closed and public buses did not ply in most parts of Srinagar city. However, people poured out of their homes to buy essential items and private transport plied on the roads.
Curfew was relaxed Friday in the Kashmir Valley for an indefinite period to facilitate the celebration of the holy Muslim festival of Shab-e-Meraj (ascension of Prophet to heaven).
However, curfew was not lifted inSopore and Kakpora towns for the fourth day on Saturday.
Curfew back in Srinagar; Omar puts army on standby - Hindustan Times
Jammu and Kashmir Government will consider the option of withdrawing deployment of the army from the valley after the Martyrs' Day on July 13 and the situation as of now was well under control, state Chief Minister Omar Abdullah said on Saturday. "Even now the army has not been brought into the city.
It is only in the periphery, that too it was deployed two days ago," he said in an interview.
Conceding that it was the most difficult decision for him to seek the assistance of Army from the Centre, the 40-year-old Chief Minister, the youngest in the country to occupy the post, said that it was one decision that he would not like to repeat in his term in the office.
Asked when his government would consider withdrawing the Army, which was called out on Tuesday night after escalation in violence in the valley, Abdullah said that it would be done when the government has that level of confidence.
"The situation is being monitored on a daily basis. We will consider that option after July 13 and take a decision," he said in a reference to the observance of Martyrs' Day which is commemorated in memory of those who died fighting the Dogra rule.
Abdullah ruled out quitting the post and also dismissed speculation that his father and Union Minister Farooq Abdullah would step into his shoes.
"A host of people would like me to quit but I am not contemplating such a decision," he said when asked if he had at any time thought of stepping down.
Asked about his father's arrival in the city in the midst of the current situation and reports that he would like to take over as chief minister, Abdullah said there was criticism when his father was not in Kashmir.
"And now that he is coming for his mother's death anniversary tomorrow, my detractors are speculating."
He declined to comment on suggestions that he and his father should swap places and also on reports questioning whether he enjoyed the support of his party.
Abdullah was at pains to point out that the army was deployed only near the airport on the first day and the second day and was no longer deployed anywhere.
The government has not formally cancelled the request for army's assistance but the option is still there.
"While we sought the help, we are firm that the army will not be in direct confrontation with protesters and therefore we asked them to conduct a flag march. That was the need of the hour," he said.
Asking political parties to stop playing "divisive" role, the Chief Minister said the decision of seeking army's help was taken after thorough consultations with coalition partners, cabinet ministers and authorities in a bid to prevent any further loss of innocent lives.
"I have always welcomed healthy criticism but I am averse to criticism which stinks of divisive politics. I do not wish to see trouble on streets but the situation on Tuesday was tense," he said replying to questions about criticism on the decision to call in the army.
"I have police force and paramilitary personnel who are over stretched because of the ongoing Amarnath Yatra. I cannot withdraw from my Counter Insurgency Grid because that will give chance to terrorists to enter the mainland in the Valley.
"Therefore, my government, after consulting with state and central leaders, decided to seek army's help for assisting in maintenance of law and order situation."
He went on to say "only the wearer knows where the shoe pinches".
The Chief Minister said that he had consulted Home Minister P Chidambaram and Defence Minister A K Antony about the situation and the deployment of the army.
Asked about the conversation intercepts of a few Hurriyat leaders indicating that they were engineering killings of innocents, the Chief Minister declined to comment. "At present I need peace for the state. These issues can be worked out later."
On the opposition PDP accusing his government of being inefficient in handling the situation, Abdullah said, "Well the facts and figures speak otherwise.
"There were disturbances and civilian causalities were more. The PDP rule came when New Delhi and Islamabad were getting close. Roads were opened, talks were held with Pakistan and Hurriyat. Guess (the then chief minister Mufti Sayeed) he had no complaints but still the causalities happened."
According to National Crime Records Buearu of the Union Home Ministry, in 2003, the year the People's Democratic Party-Congress alliance government took office, six people were killed in 47 incidents involving the use of force by police.
Thirteen civilians were killed in 2004 when the then Chief Minister Sayeed completed his first year in office. Besides this, police is recorded to have opened fire on 123 occasions.
In 2005, fatalities in police firing rose sharply to 50 and the state government withdrew BSF committed to counter-insurgency operations in Srinagar and replaced them with the CRPF in an effort to contain killings of civilians.
In 2006, the year Ghulam Nabi Azad took over as chief minister, Srinagar saw a series of protests against a prostitution racket in which politicians were implicated. But in 2007, eight civilians were killed in 47 instances of police firing.
Civilian deaths rose sharply in 2008 during the Amarnath agitation, and the state government reported 43 deaths and 317 injuries in 379 incidents involving use of force by police.
Curfew reimposed
Curfew was reimposed in Maisuma locality Srinagar and Jammu and Kashmir's Anantnag and Pulwama towns on Saturday after stone-pelting mobs clashed with security forces, authorities said.
"Miscreants resorted to stone pelting in Maisuma and in Anantnag and Pulwama during curfew relaxation. Curfew was reimposed at these places," a senior police officer said.
Markets remained closed and public buses did not ply in most parts of Srinagar city. However, people poured out of their homes to buy essential items and private transport plied on the roads.
Curfew was relaxed Friday in the Kashmir Valley for an indefinite period to facilitate the celebration of the holy Muslim festival of Shab-e-Meraj (ascension of Prophet to heaven).
However, curfew was not lifted inSopore and Kakpora towns for the fourth day on Saturday.
Curfew back in Srinagar; Omar puts army on standby - Hindustan Times
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Not like TTP we are not, we don't blow up our own, we kill those under the garb of being local come across the border to start riots. I wonder everyone from the other side whenever it is the issue of Kashmir speak as if they are Angels from heaven.
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So according to you the Ummah concept applies to only Indian that too Kasmiri muslims only, the ones in Xinjiang are either problem of China or u would like to find out if they are Muslims or not. Hypocracy at its best personified.
Let me tell how many crocodile tears u may shed nobody i say nobody has the balls to take Kashmir from us, thats the truth and that is why though u tried so many time u couldn't take it from us
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Why dont you shoot ppl in delhi, bihar, jharkand, uttar pradesh, tamil nadu, orrisa, andhra pradesh, rajasthan when they are protesting?
There were violence too during these protests on july 5, 2010
Strike called by opposition to protest fuel price hike hits India’s transport, businesses
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/06/world/asia/06india.html
Democracy at its best, isn't it? Losers
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Because they are not paid by terrorist groups to protest and to throw stones on security groups
Because of Paksitans involvement they have to suffer
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Because they are not paid by terrorist groups to protest and to throw stones on security groups
Because of Paksitans involvement they have to suffer
Provide me link from where you have read that those protesters were paid by Pakistan to throw stones at security groups,
or else shut up.
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Well if you can even not accept those dog kasab as a proof then how can you accept Indian link for that ...
well lets read that
Stone pelting becomes lucrative business in Kashmir valley - dnaindia.com
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