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[afriend]

Why do Indians constantly presuppose the Kashmiris to be dumbasses? "Oh you don't hate us, you've only been brainwashed into thinking so."

Stop deluding yourselves.

Because we know the reason of their hate, and we are trying to explain them the situation, but unfortunately some fanatics in the seperatists fold with the help of extrimists whose life is dedicated to formenting trouble in india, is brain washing the teenage kids who had only seen violence in their lifes and that is a fact, and why are YOU having trouble in accpeting that fact if i may ask the counter question..!!!

 

[Fighter488]

Police arrest 60 anti-India protesters in Kashmir​

By AIJAZ HUSSAIN (AP) – 1 hour ago

SRINAGAR, India — Government forces arrested over 60 suspected separatist activists across Indian Kashmir in an attempt to stem deadly civil unrest that has continued despite a curfew that was in its third day, police said Friday.

The arrests, carried out during overnight raids by police and paramilitary soldiers, were designed to put a lid on nearly three weeks of violent anti-India protests in which at least 15 people have died. Residents blame security forces for the deaths.

At least 30 separatist activists who had participated in recent street demonstrations were arrested in Anantnag, 35 miles (55 kilometers) south of Srinagar, the main city in Indian Kashmir, said a police officer who spoke on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to speak to the media.

He said at least 30 others were arrested in Srinagar and other towns in Kashmir.

Tens of thousands of troops patrolled the region's streets, while shops and schools were closed. Streets ringed with barbed wire were deserted, and the region's nearly 60 newspapers were unable to publish for a second day Friday.

Despite the curfew, the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, an umbrella organization of separatist groups, called for more protests.

The tension in the Himalayan region — divided between India and Pakistan — was reminiscent of the late 1980s, when protests against Indian rule sparked an armed conflict that has killed more than 68,000 people, mostly civilians, over the past two decades.

The government's decision to send the army to quell the recent protests was intended to prevent them from spiraling out of control and igniting another insurgency.

The Indian army is ubiquitous in Kashmir, but its operations are usually aimed at combating insurgents and it has not been used in crowd control since major street protests in 1990.

India and Pakistan have fought two wars over the region. India regularly accuses Pakistan of sending insurgents over the heavily militarized frontier to stir trouble and has blamed the recent protests on Pakistan-based militants bent on destabilizing India, a charge Islamabad denies.

Kashmiri separatists are demanding independence from Hindu-majority India or a merger with Muslim-majority Pakistan.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

 

[praveen007]

it should also viewed as that gen-x is pitching it self as line of defence against those cross-border, barbarien terarist

 

[Mogambo]

Indian Army should not patrol anywhere in India but due to hostile and jealous neighbors we are forced to deploy our men.

Also, army was not patrolling but due to the funding of some foreign agencies who don't want peace some foreign puppets try to spread violence and innocent deaths.

To save innocent Kashmiri muslims from the conspiracy of hostile elements and to save lives of innocent people Indian Army is patrolling in Kashmir.

Hurriyat Geelani | Instigate Violence | Want More Martyrs - Oneindia News

http://sify.com/news/hurriyat-leader-held-for-instigating-violence-news-national-khjnuccdaid.html

Man arrested after Kashmir intercept asking for more deaths

We want 10-15 more martyred: Hurriyat leader - India - The Times of India

Separatist leaders behind Kashmir violence - India News - IBNLive

Hurriyat leader arrested for JK conspiracy

 

[civfanatic]

@civfanatic

The author is a Kashmiri and reporter of news outlet in J&K. Its one ofthe view in Kashmir valley. Not all Kashmiris follow Geelani. Even among the sepratists Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, Yasin Malik e.t.c has had bigger following. Reason because Geelani is pro-Pak whileothers are not.

And by the way, you forgot to mention that Mirwaiz Umar Farooq's father was killed by Pakistani based militants. I might also add that JKLF which fought for a secular independant J&K actually was targeted by LeT Hizb and other Pakistani based exremists groups for their ideology.

I posted this article because it is someone who is from the state and these are his views.

Our CM is a kashmiri His father Farooq abdullah is a kashmiri . Wajahat habibulah is kashmiri and so is Muzzaffar biegh .

The author being Kashmiri does not change the fact that his piece is a pathetic piece of propaganda .

Coming to your next point about following in kashmir the fact is that geelani has the biggest follwing in kashmir and he has follwing even in that section of society which is not pro - pakistan and that is becuase he is seen as more honest and more consistent (That is why India calls him hardliner )

 

[javaman]

i will say to all pakistani members->

that we have a lot to make thread on this issue,but kashmir will remain indian territory.u can't get this by force,by talks india will pass time ,so here nothing is 4 u.

 

[civfanatic]

@civfanatic



And by the way, you forgot to mention that Mirwaiz Umar Farooq's father was killed by Pakistani based militants. I might also add that JKLF which fought for a secular independant J&K actually was targeted by LeT Hizb and other Pakistani based exremists groups for their ideology.

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Mirwaiz Umar farooqs father was killed by Police using a surrendered millitant . If he was killed by As you say pakistan based millitants then his son wont have been one of pillars of current anti India struggle and his follwers in downtown srinagar leading protest marches and death tolls . It is nice piece of myth propagated by India .

Regarding your next point about clashes between Hizb and jklf ....sadly this is true in early days of our struggle there were seriuos clashes between two . Part of that struggle was ideological and part of it was personal . It proved to be one of biggest mistake and eroded lot of popular support for both . Hopefully we have wizened up and wont repeat same mistakes again .

 

[civfanatic]

i will say to all pakistani members->

that we have a lot to make thread on this issue,but kashmir will remain indian territory.u can't get this by force,by talks india will pass time ,so here nothing is 4 u.

MOds ... Please don't tolerate this kind of behavior . These kind of posts derail every thread esp in Kashmir and soon the thread becomes baluchistan thread , Pushtoon thread , India army thread . Just my suggestion

 

[Spring Onion]

And to say that they are all angels from heaven

In front of Indian invader barbaric army, yes they are angels from heaven.

shows ur bias. Intelligence agencies have already gathered reports and intercepted calls by some hurriyat leaders talking about the number of people martyred and expressing sorrow that only a few died and atleast 10 to 15 more deaths are required!!!!!

You mean RAW? But isnt it that these same RAWITES (intelligence agencies ) claimed that stones thrown on Indian invader army have been imported by ISI from Mars and ISI is teaching the Kashmiri youth how to fling a stone

 

[Imran Khan]

What a childish comment do u even have any knowledge of this area, please shut ur mouth since nobody asked ur advice or ur judgement on things here.

its open forum not you bed room jani he is free to talk not he?

 

[Neither Right Nor Wrong]

In front of Indian invader barbaric army, yes they are angels from heaven.





You mean RAW? But isnt it that these same RAWITES (intelligence agencies ) claimed that stones thrown on Indian invader army have been imported by ISI from Mars and ISI is teaching the Kashmiri youth how to fling a stone

Current Kashmir turmoil instigated, funded: Intelligence report

7/9/2010 1:03:46 AM

Srinagar, July 08: Giving credence to the common observation, sources in the Union Home Ministry have given proof that the current turmoil in Kashmir is being not only instigated, but also planned and funded from across the border, by the Laskar-e-Tayyeba in collusion with hardliner separatists.
Intelligence agencies have intercepted conversations between one Ghulam Ahmed Dar and Shabir Wani which clearly shows that the stone-pelting and other disturbances are being funded by external elements in collision with the separatists.
A large procession had started in Budgam district on the outskirts of Srinagar in the evening and two senior office-bearers of the Pro-Islamist Hurriyat faction led by Syed Ali Shah Geelani discussed how to utilise it to create casualties, according to the transcript of the conversation available with the Home Ministry.
According to the transcript, one of the office- bearers, Ghulam Ahmed Dar, was heard telling Shabir Ahmed Wani, another office-bearer, that a procession of nearly 20,000 people had started from Magam and was going towards Budgam.
Wani tells Dar, "You guys enjoy payments sitting at home and do nothing."
Dar, in his response, says, "The management of crowd becomes difficult later.....it gets difficult to manage the mob later."
Dar then ends up by saying, "at least 15 people should be martyred today."
The sources say there is recognition of genuine protest and anger in the Valley, but add that "mischief makers" are taking advantage of that anger.
J&K CM Omar Abdullah had said last week that the government has taped conversations between separatists, handlers from across LoC and stone-pelters. He said they have also tracked movement of money for these leaders.
The sources in the Home Ministry said the government was keeping a close watch on the situation and was of the opinion that the violence is occurring to derail the freshly started peace process between India and Pakistan.
The opposition had also sounded alert for the government about the problem being fomented by LeT and other militant groups.
"Pakistan is involved in stone-pelting. Stones are brought in trucks with each truckload costing Rs 1,000 to Rs 1,200. Boys are paid Rs 500 each for pelting stones. This is a low cost, high impact strategy being used by terrorist groups whose middle level leadership was liquidated by forces," BJP spokesperson Prakash Javadekar had said on July 1.
Even the Union Home Minister had said in a press conference that LeT could be involved the Valley's new trouble.
Army has now been deployed in parts of the state after the govt requested the same.
Shocking details
Separatist groups especially those owing allegiance to Pakistan-terror outfit Hizbul Mujahideen and Lashker-e-Taiba are alleged to have formed several groups comprising a minimum of dozen people, sources in the interrogation team said.
This was revealed during extensive interrogation of a stone pelter arrested by the Jammu and Kashmir police in Februray.
These groups are paid a hefty amount ranging between Rs5 to Rs8 lakh, they said, adding a part of this money is handed over to another group known as "initiators" who pick up stones and start pelting on police and para-military forces -- sometimes on trivial issues.
The groups, which are alleged to have been receiving funds from a political party as well, have stationed their people in various localities and other districts of the Valley, the sources said. This could be the reason for stone pelting incidents occurring in a synchronized manner throughout the valley during agitations and protests, they said.
Adding to the woes of policemen were protestors making use of stones and building material kept by government agencies on roads for construction activities, the sources said.

Current Kashmir turmoil instigated, funded: Intelligence report - NorthLines Leading Newspaper Jammu Kashmir

 

[MarkTheTruth]

The native Indian Governor of Occupied Kashmir, Mr. Narinder Nath Vohra received instructions from Delhi to do all necessary paperwork for imposition of Governor Rule in Occupied Kashmir. The Governor Rule could be imposed at any time in the near future due to inability of the puppet regime of Mr. Omar Abdullah. Who has failed to crush the fresh wave of Anti-India protests and agitations of Kashmiri people, demanding for the end to Indian rule in Occupied Kashmir and the right of Self-Determination.

In a high level meeting held in New Delhi two days before, the top brass of Indian Armed Forces, together with Intelligence heads and Defence and Foreign Ministers and other members of Indian Cabinet briefed the Prime Minister Mr. Singh over the latest situation in Occupied Kashmir. The meeting, headed by the Prime Minister, also considered the separatists movements in Naxal areas. Mr. Singh ordered fresh injection of more troops both in Occupied Kashmir and Naxal affected areas and instructed the armed forces to use every mean to crush the separatists.

The process of imposition of Governor Rule is already initiated. In order to provide moral justifications to the Indian government, an Anti-Kashmiri political group, Panthers Party, "appealed" the government of India to impose Governor Rule in Occupied Kashmir as soon as possible.

Indian Army, which publicly refused to take control of Law & Order Situation in Occupied Kashmir, had today staged its first Flag March during last 20 years in Srinagar.

The situation in Kashmir is worsening with each day passing. The local and international media is already blocked from covering the ongoing events in Srinagar and elsewhere in Occupied Kashmir. Despite the protests by Kashmiri Journalists, no newspaper is allowed to publish today in Occupied Kashmir. Restrictions on mobile messaging and access to Internet are also imposed in many areas.

Thousands of Kashmiris marched on the streets of Srinagar, violating the 4 days long curfew. Risking their lives, chanting Anti-India slogans and with Pakistani flags in hands, the Kashmiris raining stones and whatever they found over Indian force. In response they have to face bullets, fired by Indian Army over them.

3 died and many injured in Srinagar today when the army and CRPF opened indiscriminate firing on Kashmiri people. 80 other arrested and thrown to jails.

Condemning the Human Rights violations by Indian Forces in Occupied Kashmir, the Foreign Office Spokesman Mr. Abdul Basit assured every support to Kashmiri brothers and vowed to help Kashmiris for their right of Self-Determination.

The leadership of Both APCH groups forced to stay at home. Many key leaders including Syed Ali Geelani are under house arrest.

India is planning to impose Governor Rule in Occupied Kashmir

 

[Neither Right Nor Wrong]

Current Kashmir turmoil instigated, funded: Intelligence report - NorthLines Leading Newspaper Jammu Kashmir

Current Kashmir turmoil instigated, funded: Intelligence report

7/9/2010 1:03:46 AM
Srinagar, July 08: Giving credence to the common observation, sources in the Union Home Ministry have given proof that the current turmoil in Kashmir is being not only instigated, but also planned and funded from across the border, by the Laskar-e-Tayyeba in collusion with hardliner separatists.
Intelligence agencies have intercepted conversations between one Ghulam Ahmed Dar and Shabir Wani which clearly shows that the stone-pelting and other disturbances are being funded by external elements in collision with the separatists.
A large procession had started in Budgam district on the outskirts of Srinagar in the evening and two senior office-bearers of the Pro-Islamist Hurriyat faction led by Syed Ali Shah Geelani discussed how to utilise it to create casualties, according to the transcript of the conversation available with the Home Ministry.
According to the transcript, one of the office- bearers, Ghulam Ahmed Dar, was heard telling Shabir Ahmed Wani, another office-bearer, that a procession of nearly 20,000 people had started from Magam and was going towards Budgam.
Wani tells Dar, "You guys enjoy payments sitting at home and do nothing."
Dar, in his response, says, "The management of crowd becomes difficult later.....it gets difficult to manage the mob later."
Dar then ends up by saying, "at least 15 people should be martyred today."
The sources say there is recognition of genuine protest and anger in the Valley, but add that "mischief makers" are taking advantage of that anger.
J&K CM Omar Abdullah had said last week that the government has taped conversations between separatists, handlers from across LoC and stone-pelters. He said they have also tracked movement of money for these leaders.
The sources in the Home Ministry said the government was keeping a close watch on the situation and was of the opinion that the violence is occurring to derail the freshly started peace process between India and Pakistan.
The opposition had also sounded alert for the government about the problem being fomented by LeT and other militant groups.
"Pakistan is involved in stone-pelting. Stones are brought in trucks with each truckload costing Rs 1,000 to Rs 1,200. Boys are paid Rs 500 each for pelting stones. This is a low cost, high impact strategy being used by terrorist groups whose middle level leadership was liquidated by forces," BJP spokesperson Prakash Javadekar had said on July 1.
Even the Union Home Minister had said in a press conference that LeT could be involved the Valley's new trouble.
Army has now been deployed in parts of the state after the govt requested the same.
Shocking details
Separatist groups especially those owing allegiance to Pakistan-terror outfit Hizbul Mujahideen and Lashker-e-Taiba are alleged to have formed several groups comprising a minimum of dozen people, sources in the interrogation team said.
This was revealed during extensive interrogation of a stone pelter arrested by the Jammu and Kashmir police in Februray.
These groups are paid a hefty amount ranging between Rs5 to Rs8 lakh, they said, adding a part of this money is handed over to another group known as "initiators" who pick up stones and start pelting on police and para-military forces -- sometimes on trivial issues.
The groups, which are alleged to have been receiving funds from a political party as well, have stationed their people in various localities and other districts of the Valley, the sources said. This could be the reason for stone pelting incidents occurring in a synchronized manner throughout the valley during agitations and protests, they said.
Adding to the woes of policemen were protestors making use of stones and building material kept by government agencies on roads for construction activities, the sources said.

 

[ek_indian]

I admit I have not read the article.
However I am quite sure the JnK govt is going nowhere. Those who have even an iota of knowledge about Indian policial system understands it.

Remember, we are responsible nations where change of power is done through a process. But alas, this concept is strange to some.

 

[SpArK]

Man arrested after Kashmir intercept asking for more deaths

Srinagar: The man who has allegedly been recorded in a phone conversation asking for more people to be martyred in Kashmir has been arrested by the Jammu and Kashmir police.

NDTV reported on Thursday evening that Home Ministry sources have intercepted phone conversations between different leaders which suggest that some of the violence in the Valley is being instigated and provoked. In one such conversation, allegedly between Ghulam Mohammed Dar and Shabir Wani, there is a reference to a protest rally in Budgam near Srinagar on July 7. The two men talk of money being exchanged. The phone transcript established Wani saying "There must be more deaths...10-15 more people must be martyred." (Read: Is some of the Kashmir violence planned and instigated?)

Sources in the government are clear that while those instigating violence may be arrested, there is recognition of genuine protests and anger that will have to be tackled politically.

Curfew is currently being strictly enforced in Srinagar. At the request of Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, the Army has returned to the city after 15 years after a new spate of violence over the last month which saw several civilians, including a teenager headed home after a tuition class, killed in clashes between protesters and security forces. Earlier this week, a 25-year-old woman standing at her window, watching the chaos unfold on the streets in one of those protests, was shot by a stray bullet.


The Army is being used on the periphery of Srinagar with the Centre stating that its role is to act as a "deterrent."

The situation in Kashmir is being carefully monitored by the Union government. Home Secretary GK Pillai has visited Srinagar and said the situation is under control, and that the next few days will be crucial in the city's and government's attempt to find peace.


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