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[Spring Onion]

You seem to forget the freedom fighters gave you the last 10 years to move on the issue of kashmir but you did nothing........time for the boys to start shooting instead of throwing stones.

The Indian officials even blamed Stone throwing on ISI )) some orange idiots went to the extreme where they claimed that ISI was guding the stone pelters on cell phones despite the fact that You can not make a call from Pakistan into Indian Occupied Kashmir

 

[RescueRanger]

Why can't It be worth lacs. After all ISI can provide money for its evil desire.

Troops fire at Kashmir protesters - CENTRAL/S. ASIA - Al Jazeera English

Police said security forces had acted to control stone-throwing demonstrators.

 

[Patriot]

some orange idiots went to the extreme where they claimed that ISI was guding the stone pelters on cell phones

LMAO Kashmiris don't know how to throw stones - They need teachers

 

[jha]

You seem to forget the freedom fighters gave you the last 10 years to move on the issue of kashmir but you did nothing........time for the boys to start shooting instead of throwing stones.

well shooting has never stopped as such...terrorists are still shooting at the forces..only change is that in early 90's the shootings were more frequent...BTW in last 10 years many new things were tried and perhaps a solution was also found ..but again terrorists ( freedom fighters according to you ) could not control their urge ...

 

[Bushy]

Instead of throwing stones at the indian occupation forces the brave youth should be given guns so they can protect themselfs.

If your gonna throw a stone and get shot and killed you might as well shoot first.

They tried the guns, and it didn't work. The armed forces in Kashmir are under strict orders not to fire at anyone unless fired upon themselves, so they (the protesters) resort to stone pelting.

Stone Pelting has great advantages over bullets -

1. Freely available, and greatly abundant.
2. Stones are not categorized as weapons, so do not attract firing from the armed forces.
3. No skill-set required for stone pelting.
4. Children can be easily employed to throw stones with the accuracy and impact as good as those of adults.
5. Stone pelting is not considered a terrorist activity and so the throwers are immune to anti-terrorist laws.

I have been to Sopur which considered the hub of such activities, and have had to bear the brunt of stone throwers, and talked to some too. The fact about stone pelting as a lucrative business is as true as it sounds. If you look for it, you may even find videos of the youth on youtube.com speaking on how the money comes and is distributed along with the stones in this northern part of the valley.

 

[Ammyy]

LeT not involved in Kashmir violence: Mirwaiz

SRINAGAR: The Chairman of All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) Mirwaiz Umar Farooq has rejected Indian claim of the involvement of Lashkar-e Taiba (LeT) in the violent activities in occupied Kashmir.

While addressing the news conference in Srinagar, Mirwaiz demanded that Pakistan and India should focus on Kashmir issue rather than prioritizing water, Siachen and energy project issues in the talks.

He was of the view that foreign ministers of the both countries during their meeting had to discuss Kashmir issue. SAMAA

People in LeT are angels like Taliban ... right ????

 

[billi]

Your logic is not correct. Kashmir is a disputed territory accepted by both India and Pakistan so a solution has to be found. Referendum it seems is the best and permanent solution to the problem.

A street in Karachi or New Delhi is not disputed so referendum can not take place.

ok, my logic of streets was exaggerated. But I still stand about creating the conditions which were there in 1947 to hold a referendum.
Will pakistan agree to all of them. Even if it does, how will you get aksai chin in the equation. how will u accomodate the pandits.
secondly if pakistan is saying the territory is disputed, does it claim kashmir for itself? the eeason i am asking this is because everyone in this forum seems to ssay that kashmir should be given independence. But if pak says its disputed then its staking a claim to kashmir.
if kashmir says it supports only kashmir independence then it should stop exporting terror into india and give only moral support, like how india is doing with tibet. if you claim as your own then we are negotiating , that you are currently haing 55% of kashmir and we are having the smaller part.
will pakistan open its doors like in 1947, IF india loses the referendum, and declares itslef hindu state and sends forcibly muslims to Pakistan. I am saying this because in those days of 47, this was the deal and the crux for tnt, that india is for hindus and the newly created Pak for muslims of the subcontinent. Also bangladesh should also be ready to take in Indian muslims. only then referendum can happen. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I DESIRE OR RECOMMEND, SINCE I CHERISH THE DIVERSITY OF CULTURES , BELIEFS ANS THOUGHTS WE HAVE IN INDIA.

 

[EjazR]

Violence in Kashmir: Strengthen Communication between Rulers and the Ruled by Radha vinod Raju

Radha vinod Raju
Former Director General, National Investigation Agency

Officers of the J&K cadre, especially those who joined the cadre before the eighties, would tell you that the most serious law and order problem in Srinagar was when unruly mobs would indulge in intense stone pelting. If it were wintertime, an occasional fling of the ‘kangri’ (a small earthen pot containing burning charcoal) would add spice to the proceedings. The local executive police, aided by the Jammu & Kashmir Armed Police (JKAP) and the CRPF, would counter with lathi charge, and tear smoke. Officers who manned the District Executive police, and the District Special Branch and the CID Special Branch, were carefully chosen for their local knowledge, and would invariably give advance information about upcoming law and order problems.

And what were the issues? They could be anything that pulled an emotional chord with the people. This writer remembers one such issue, with which neither the Central nor the State Government had anything to do. I was promoted to the rank of Superintendent of Police in March 1980, and was posted as Commandant of the 3rd Battalion of the JKAP. While most of this unit was in the winter capital, Jammu, its headquarter was in Srinagar. In the last week of March, I was asked to be in Srinagar along with my men to be in place to tackle the expected law and order issue on the first anniversary of the hanging of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, the former Prime Minister of Pakistan.

Neither the Government of India nor the J&K Government had any role in the hanging of Bhutto, but there we were, ready to face a situation in the city. The State had serious law and order problems immediately after Bhutto’s hanging, with members of the Jamaat-e-Islami and their properties coming under heavy attacks in the valley. That is how the valley reacts. Invariably in all cases, everyone goes home in the evening, and peace reigns. On the occasion of the first anniversary of Bhutto’s hanging, detailed deployments of the executive police, JKAP and the CRPF had been made. The Inspector General, the legendary Peer Ghulam Hassan Shah, was himself present in the Control Room, monitoring the situation. District SP, and Commandants of the JKAP and CRPF were available on spot to direct and guide their men.

As usual, the stone pelting in Bohri Kadal and Maharaj Gunj areas was intense. We soon received information that the CRPF Commandant was seriously injured. He was brought to the Control Room and taken to the Hospital for treatment. But there was no firing on the mob. By evening, the situation, as usual was brought under control. The Commandant of the CRPF who was seriously injured was then on deputation with the CRPF and was commanding the 40 Battalion. He rose in time to become the DGP of the State.

The force, whether it is the J&K Police or the CRPF, has to be personally led by the officer cadre. In those days, SPs and Commandants would be present in the Control Rooms during briefings, and be with their men in the field when facing situations. The men follow their leaders. Only when there is failure of leadership do men go out of control. Political leaders constantly kept in touch with the people, even during serious law and order situations.

In the last week of July 1980, there was a civilian-military clash, when some civilians allegedly roughed up some army men late in the evening, which was followed by retaliation by the army unit. The SSP of Srinagar was also seriously injured in the attack. The whole of the following day there was curfew, and attacks on the police by stone pelting mobs. This writer was in charge of the police deployed in the city. Around 3.30 pm, when clashes were still going on, there was a message from the house of the Chief Minister, Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah. The message stated that the Chief Minister would like to visit Lal Chowk and address the people. This was a time when the battle between the stone pelting mob and the police was still going on. When my view was sought, I said that the situation was not conducive for the Chief Minister to visit Lal Chowk, a typical police answer given the circumstances. But in the next half an hour, Sheikh Sahib was on his way, and there was nothing that we could do except pray.

The Chief Minister arrived at Lal Chowk and somehow got on top of a bus, and then he addressed the mob for about an hour. He explained the reason the Army was in Kashmir, said that it is going to remain there, and that the people should learn to live with the forces. He explained to the people the ground realities, and the role of various actors, including the State Government. The people then dispersed peacefully. That was the last time I saw a mass leader in communication with his people during a crisis. It may not be as easy to speak to people today, and may need much more security for a Chief Minister to go around. But the need for communication between the ruler and the ruled in a democracy cannot be overemphasized.

 

[ejaz007]

Forces open fire on protesters in Held Kashmir, three killed

* 25 injured as protesters clash with security forces in several districts
* APHC chairman says agitation will continue until troops are withdrawn from cities

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: Fresh clashes erupted on Tuesday in Indian-held Kashmir, killing three people.

An indefinite curfew was enforced in Srinagar and all major towns as reports of violence poured from across the valley.

Angry protesters in Srinagar barged into the house of ruling National Conference (NC) leader Irfan Shah, setting it on fire.

A man identified as Fayaz Ahmad Wani was killed when security personnel allegedly opened fire at a stone-pelting mob. The mob was protesting the death of a man who fell into a nearby river while being chased by Indian security forces during a demonstration in Batmaloo area of the city.

Locals, however, said the man, Muzaffar Ahmed Bhat, went missing soon after a junior minister Nasir Aslam Wani visited the area.

Witnesses said Bhat was actually detained by security guards of Wani and beaten to death.

Another 25-year-old woman was killed by a stray bullet in the same area when security forces fired into the air to disperse a mob.

Defying curfew restrictions, protesters clashed with security forces in central Srinagar, prompting troops to open fire, which killed 18-year old Abrar Khan. Another youth, identified as Owais, was seriously injured.

Besides Srinagar, violence also broke out in Baramulla, Pampore in Pulwama and parts of curfew-bound Anantnag, leaving 25 people injured, including an assistant sub-inspector who was hit by a stone on his head.

Police said the mobs also pelted stones on police stations in the towns of Pattan and Pampore.

IHK has been engulfed in violent protests and curfews following the killing of Muslim youths last month, allegedly by the firing of Indian security forces.

Protesters set ablaze a government vehicle in uptown Srinagar and damaged over three dozen vehicles at a number of places.

Chairman of the moderate faction of the All-Parties Hurriyat Conference Mirwaiz Umer Farooq staged a demo in downtown Srinagar.

Later, Mirwaiz led a march around various areas of Srinagar. He was later put under house arrest again.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[moha199]

All those who need freedom should be freed from their lives!
Kashmir is Indian territory... those who dont want to live in India can very well go to Pakistan!

there you go another fundamentlist and radical here

 

[moha199]

i also heard that ,everything can be given to them except freedom.i was talking abt those who are shouting ,it's not a worry.soon they will be sent to their corners.rest of them are ready to live with india.
it has no link with any other nation

i has all the links with Pakistan since you treat them wrong and they chose the wrong path and become terrorist and also creat problems for Pakistan. Indian situation matters the same way Pakistan's peace matters. So it's better for India to get a hold on situation and do the voting allow those poor souls to vote and pick their way of living!

 

[dabong1]

Indian army soldiers have marched through Srinagar, the capital of Indian-administered Kashmir, in a show of force to help quell street protests.

A curfew is being strictly enforced in parts of the Kashmir Valley after a wave of violence between protesters and police over the past month.

Police and paramilitaries have been deployed in Srinagar and several towns are under curfew.

Some 14 civilians have died in clashes with security forces since June.

Many of the deaths have been blamed on the paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF).

"We are out to give support to the state machinery. We are ready to move anywhere, anytime," the Associated Press news agency quoted army spokesman Col Vineet Sood as saying.

A defence spokesman, Lt Col JS Brar, told the BBC that the army had conducted "a flag march" on the outskirts of Srinagar city, particularly on the road leading to the airport.

Lt Col Brar said the army had not been deployed anywhere in the city.

The state government sought the army's help on Tuesday evening after three civilians were killed in police firing, the BBC's Altaf Hussain in Srinagar reports.

The federal government has yet to decide whether to deploy the army in Kashmir.


A curfew has been imposed in Srinagar and is being strictly enforced by the police and paramilitaries who are deployed in strength, our correspondent says.

The curfew in Anantnag has now been in place for eight consecutive days - since three people were killed by police there last week - and there is no sign of the tension diminishing, he says.

Most of the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley has either been under a curfew or shut down for weeks because of protests over the killing of civilians by police and paramilitary forces.

Chief Minister Omar Abdullah has defended the security forces, saying they could not be expected constantly to show restraint when they were so often pelted with stones.

The killings of civilian protesters, most of them teenagers, have angered many in the valley.

One newspaper headline described 2010 as the "year of teenage killings" in Kashmir.

Even the pro-India People's Democratic Party (PDP) has accused the government of declaring war on its own people, our correspondent reports.

Hundreds of thousands of troops are based in Kashmir to fight a two-decade insurgency against Indian rule.
BBC News - Indian army marches through Srinagar streets

Shame on the indian occuaption forces..........unarmed teenagers get shot for demonstrating and then the indians wonder the kashmiris turn to the gun.

 

[Join]

Atlast the Army is back In Sri nagar

 

[GUNNER]

SRINAGAR, India, July 7, 2010 (AFP) - Indian army soldiers joined police and paramilitary troops enforcing a curfew across much of Kashmir Wednesday, in a bid to quell violent protests in the insurgency-hit region.

The curfew was imposed Tuesday after two men and one woman died when security personnel opened fire to contain angry separatist demonstrations that have been fuelled by the deaths of several protesters over the past month.

Curfew orders have been widely ignored in recent days, and the presence of the Indian army was seen as a show of force designed to end the increasingly violent protests.
"We have conducted flag marches through the streets of Srinagar," Indian army spokesman J.S. Brar told AFP.

Military trucks and jeeps carrying soldiers in full battle-gear passed through tense and empty roads of Srinagar as police and paramilitary forces dotted the streets.

Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian Kashmir, has been the focus of protests since June 11, when a 17-year-old student died from a police tear-gas shell. The three deaths on Tuesday also occurred in Srinagar.

The recent demonstrations are the biggest since 2008 when violent protests killed over 40 people. For the first time in years the army has been called in to quell protests in Srinagar.

"In order to save human lives we had to request the army's help," senior state minister Ali Mohammed Sagar said.

The army's deployment annoyed separatist politicians fighting to end Indian rule in the scenic Himalayan region.

"Unfortunately, the army has always been India's first and last resort in handling Kashmir," top separatist Mirwaiz Umar Farooq said in a statement.

"It's ever-increasing presence in the state has been with the intention of consolidating its control over the territory," he said.

Indian police and paramilitary forces, who have been struggling to control the wave of protests in the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley, have been accused of killing 15 civilians in less than a month.

Each death has sparked a new cycle of violence despite appeals for calm from the state's Chief Minister Omar Abdullah.

Journalists and photographers were not allowed to move out on the streets of Srinagar as officials cancelled their curfew passes.
The cabinet committee on security, chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, met in New Delhi to discuss the surge of tension in Kashmir, and Home Secretary G.K. Pillai flew to the region to assess law and order.

Pillai arrived in Srinagar along with Director General of Military Operations Lieutenant General A.M. Verma and held meetings with state officials, including Abdullah.

Police said Srinagar and six other towns were under strict curfew.

The insurgency against New Delhi's rule over Kashmir has claimed tens of thousands of lives.

Despite the curfew, Kashmiris crowded some mosques in downtown Srinagar shouting: "We want freedom." Loudhailers at the mosques carried the call through the streets breaking the silence of empty dark streets.

 

[EjazR]

Well its unfortunate but it looks more like a panic knee-jerk reaction. The Army should not be in population centers because of just riots and stone pelting crowds. The Indian army has traditionally always been out of population centers and only called in for brief periods during the peak of militancy. According to some reports the army is not deploying in the city but just staging a march. So hopefully,

The important thing is to wrap up the initial fake encounter killing inquiries in Machil and show to the people that the guilty will be punished.