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Some of the guys are actually pretty good.

Its obvious that this is done professionally if you notice their technique. Ask 9 out of 10 guys here to throw a stone at a stray dog in anger. See how accurate their throw will be in both line or length. Also check out the technique of release, and then ask them to chuck not one, but 20 stones, 50 stones, 100 stones. See how many of their shoulders will be able to take it.

Most of these pro pelters use the roundarm bowling action. Which gives me an idea. Why not get these guys into fast bowling academies? Am sure we could actually finally unearth some good raw bowling talent from amongst these youngsters. And given a choice between chucking stones versus a shot at the Indian cricket team, am sure we all know what they would opt for.

Though there is always the chance of stone pelting on the rebound by the rejects ......

Cheers, Doc
 
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All those who need freedom should be freed from their lives!:agree:
Kashmir is Indian territory... those who dont want to live in India can very well go to Pakistan!:wave:
 
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what referendum? if referendum happens then still india will win because if you bring kashmir pandits that 50% of J and K wilbe non-muslim. but india will not have referendum until its govt takes over Azad Kashmir and pakistan reopens the conditions of 1947, and will be ready to accept the rest of indian muslims into pakistan and get back aksai chin from china.
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there is one street in my city which is majorit muslim, should we have a referendum and ask them to join pak? or if there is a street in karachi which is majority hindu will you ask them to join india?

Your logic is not correct. Kashmir is a disputed territory accepted by both India and Pakistan so a solution has to be found. Referendum it seems is the best and permanent solution to the problem.

A street in Karachi or New Delhi is not disputed so referendum can not take place.
 
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Indian troops kill another youth in HK
Updated at: 1200 PST, Tuesday, July 06, 2010

SRINAGAR: A young man was killed Tuesday when security forces opened fire at stone-throwing agitators in Indian Held Kashmir (IHK), police said, the latest in a series of deaths that have stoked public anger.

Indian police and paramilitary forces struggling to control protests in the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley have now killed 12 civilians in less than a month.

"The young man was killed when security forces opened fire at a very violent rally," a police officer who declined to be named told media.

The incident took place in Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian Kashmir, which has been at the centre of furious demonstrations since June 11 when a 17-year-old student died from a police teargas shell.

Tuesday's death occurred when security forces opened fire to disperse a demonstration triggered by the disappearance of another protester, a witness said.

The youth went missing Monday evening after freedom fighter clashed with police and paramilitary forces in Srinagar.

Residents said he drowned in a stream during the clash, though no official comment has been issued on the allegation.

Crowds poured onto the streets on Tuesday morning chanting, "We want freedom" and "blood for blood."

Freedom fighters have fought against rule by New Delhi for 20 years, campaigning for independence or for Muslim-majority Kashmir to join neighbouring Pakistan.

The insurgency, which India alleges is fuelled by Pakistan, has claimed tens of thousands of lives.

Indian troops kill another youth in HK
 
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Indian troops kill another youth in HK
Updated at: 1200 PST, Tuesday, July 06, 2010

SRINAGAR: A young man was killed Tuesday when security forces opened fire at stone-throwing agitators in Indian Held Kashmir (IHK), police said, the latest in a series of deaths that have stoked public anger.

Indian police and paramilitary forces struggling to control protests in the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley have now killed 12 civilians in less than a month.

"The young man was killed when security forces opened fire at a very violent rally," a police officer who declined to be named told media.

The incident took place in Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian Kashmir, which has been at the centre of furious demonstrations since June 11 when a 17-year-old student died from a police teargas shell.

Tuesday's death occurred when security forces opened fire to disperse a demonstration triggered by the disappearance of another protester, a witness said.

The youth went missing Monday evening after freedom fighter clashed with police and paramilitary forces in Srinagar.

Residents said he drowned in a stream during the clash, though no official comment has been issued on the allegation.

Crowds poured onto the streets on Tuesday morning chanting, "We want freedom" and "blood for blood."

Freedom fighters have fought against rule by New Delhi for 20 years, campaigning for independence or for Muslim-majority Kashmir to join neighbouring Pakistan.

The insurgency, which India alleges is fuelled by Pakistan, has claimed tens of thousands of lives.

Indian troops kill another youth in HK

who says that???
a Pakistani Newspaper?

a recent independent survey revealed that less than 2% kashmiris want to join Pak!
 
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Indian troops kill another youth in HK
Updated at: 1200 PST, Tuesday, July 06, 2010

SRINAGAR: A young man was killed Tuesday when security forces opened fire at stone-throwing agitators in Indian Held Kashmir (IHK), police said, the latest in a series of deaths that have stoked public anger.

Indian police and paramilitary forces struggling to control protests in the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley have now killed 12 civilians in less than a month.

"The young man was killed when security forces opened fire at a very violent rally," a police officer who declined to be named told media.

The incident took place in Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian Kashmir, which has been at the centre of furious demonstrations since June 11 when a 17-year-old student died from a police teargas shell.

Tuesday's death occurred when security forces opened fire to disperse a demonstration triggered by the disappearance of another protester, a witness said.

The youth went missing Monday evening after freedom fighter clashed with police and paramilitary forces in Srinagar.

Residents said he drowned in a stream during the clash, though no official comment has been issued on the allegation.

Crowds poured onto the streets on Tuesday morning chanting, "We want freedom" and "blood for blood."

Freedom fighters have fought against rule by New Delhi for 20 years, campaigning for independence or for Muslim-majority Kashmir to join neighbouring Pakistan.

The insurgency, which India alleges is fuelled by Pakistan, has claimed tens of thousands of lives.

Indian troops kill another youth in HK

they are so called freedom fighters,and freedom fighters, are not paid,do not get pay for freedom.

kashmiris want freedom frm india for not joining pak,they want their neutral country.i don't know y pak drag himself inside.but nothing will be given to them.
 
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they are so called freedom fighters,and freedom fighters, are not paid,do not get pay for freedom.

kashmiris want freedom frm india for not joining pak,they want their neutral country.i don't know y pak drag himself inside.but nothing will be given to them.

Atleast you accepted that they want freedom. Good.
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Two civilians killed in Kashmir protests



By Siddhartha Kumar


Srinagar - At least two civilians were killed in protests in Srinagar, state capital of India-administered Kashmir, officials and news reports said on Tuesday.

People in the city's western Batamaloo area took to the streets after police fished out the body of 17-year-old Muzaffar Bhat from a drain on Tuesday morning, the IANS news agency reported.

Residents alleged that the teenager had jumped into a drain and drowned while being chased by security forces during a demonstration on Monday night.

Protests against civilian deaths erupted again on Tuesday morning with mobs throwing stones at the police and paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) in the area.

A man identified as Fayaz Wani, 30, was killed after security forces opened fire at the mob, locals alleged. Another man was injured in the firing.

The CRPF, however, denied it had opened fire and said its personnel had lobbed tear-gas shells at the protestors.

At least 11 civilians have died in clashes with security forces in Indian-administered Kashmir since last month. A majority of these deaths have been blamed on the CRPF.

The latest deaths led to fresh tension in the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley that has seen a security clampdown over the past weeks in response to the protests.

In Srinagar, markets remained closed and authorities announced the closure of schools and colleges.

While separatist leaders called for a "Civil Disobedience Movement," authorities moved fresh reinforcements to locations in the city, expecting renewed protests.

Home Ministry officials have defended the security forces and blamed the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group and Kashmiri separatist organisations for inciting protestors.

The region administered by India has seen a violent secessionist movement which has claimed over 45 000 lives since it peaked in the late 1980s. India has accused Pakistan of aiding Kashmiri militants, a charge Islamabad has denied, calling them freedom fighters. -

Two civilians killed in Kashmir protests

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Atleast you accepted that they want freedom. Good.
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i also heard that ,everything can be given to them except freedom.i was talking abt those who are shouting ,it's not a worry.soon they will be sent to their corners.rest of them are ready to live with india.
it has no link with any other nation
 
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i also heard that ,everything can be given to them except freedom.i was talking abt those who are shouting ,it's not a worry.soon they will be sent to their corners.rest of them are ready to live with india.
it has no link with any other nation

Huh.. How cute dreams you have.
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Why kill Kashmiris Lastupdate:- Tue, 6 Jul 2010 18:30:00 GMT GreaterKashmir.com

Kashmiris are getting killed. Why should they? Both India and Pakistan, and more importantly, the people of Kashmir should look into this tragic trail of death of fellow Kashmiris, some as young as nine and others who did not happen to see the 12th day of their life. The Indian and Pakistani sides should have a relook at what they are doing with Kashmir and, in Kashmir Pakistan is a factor in Kashmir. There are two different prisms of looking at Pakistan’s role in whatever happens in Kashmir: one , of course is the window of history that allowed Pakistan to step in on the terrain of Jammu and Kashmir. Second is its role in seeking resolution of Kashmir issue. In its bilateral dialogue with India by positioning itself as a friend of the people of Kashmir. There is no one on this planet, as of today, who doesn’t acknowledge how crucial role Pakistan can play in helping India or the people of Kashmir find a lasting solution.

Down from Jawahar Lal Nehru to Manmohan Singh, and, from Muhammad Ali Jinnah to Yousuf Raza Gilani, each one of them have expressed the similar theme, but when it comes to dealing with the issue, the middle-ground is lost in the quagmire of murky rhetoric by both India and Pakistan. There are cheer leaders propagating the hardline or putting across such unrealistic theories about the solution of Kashmir crisis that the whole context is lost.

Pakistan, despite its credentials as an Islamic Republic, is hardly a place what Kashmiris had viewed from 1940s to 80’s, or to some extent even in 1990s. The violence that sweeps across Pakistan is hardly a magnet for any of the peoples in any part of the subcontinent to live there. It is the fifth most dangerous place in the world.

As Pakistan is gripped with its own set of crisis, its role in the world affairs is getting diminished. If it is still allowing itself to be using its geo-strategic location to be used for fighting the American war against terror, it ignores long-term and disastrous consequences for its people and its own importance in the region.

Kashmir is on boil has become a cliché. It is not a 2010 phenomenon. Both India and Pakistan need to understand this. It had this tag all along, since the times of Dogra rule. Today TV channels are telling you so, earlier the media reach was limited, rather negligible. It serves neither Delhi nor Islamabad’s interests if this tag lingers on. There is a need to play a positive role, rather than indulge in blame game because that adds to the sufferings of the people and shifts focus from the real issue.

In 1990s, too, it was a Kashmiri getting killed on the Line of Control, in the interiors and suffering from day to day restrictions. The story is no different today, when stones are targeted at the men in khaki. It’s Kashmiri who is getting killed whether in police/CRPF firing or in the stone throwing. Tufail Mattoo was killed, so was Rafiq Bangroo and what about that nine year old child of Delina, Baramullah or three youth of South Kashmir. At the same time, it should not be forgotten that an 11-day infant and a government employee lost their lives in the stone pelting. All of them were Kashmiris.

All of them are victims. They, in no way, were the perpetrators, whatever fiction might be woven to twist the facts. The situation in Kashmir today sits in a picture frame of leaders versus commoners. The other side is a canon fodder.

Jessica Stern, an American expert on the conflict situations has analysed some thing like this about such situations:“The leaders tend to live in comfortable houses and enjoy the trappings of their power: large cars, acolytes and bodyguards. They talk in generalities about the justice of their cause and the Almighty's firm support. Those who serve as cannon fodder, on the other hand, are likely to be young, vulnerable, socially disadvantaged and poorly educated, and to have a sense of personal or collective humiliation. Violence for the cause gives them a feeling of purpose, dignity and the transcendent experience of serving, and perhaps dying for, ideals that they regard as pure.”

Stone throwing would stop some day; curfews would be lifted and the typical administrative description of normal life : shops open, traffic on roads, schools and colleges having attendance of students and the offices of their employees, would be there. It has happened in the past and it would happen again too.

For many, it would be a business as usual. Then there would be a halting progress on the Indo-dialogue front, and some offers of talks from Delhi, its rejection by separatists in Kashmir and the mainstream parties as confused as they ever are would first ask for facilitation of dialogue and all of a sudden would place them in driver’s seat. It doesn’t require the knowledge of a rocket science to tell that Pakistan, too, would be making certain noises, loud of course, further amplified by some elements in Kashmir and elsewhere asking India to withdraw troops, revoke Armed Forces Special Powers Act and check the human rights’ abuses.

All this needs to be done. There is absolutely no other option. But at the same time Pakistan would be doing a great service to itself and the people of Kashmir, if it uses pure diplomacy as a tool to highlight its concerns, rather than applying other methods , which not only bring it into direct confrontation with Delhi, but also besmirch its image at the international level, besides fueling trouble on its own soil.

India, too should acknowledge that the things cannot be wished away, nor Pakistan’s role. A negative attitude toward Pakistan pushes Islamabad to wall. It serves no purpose, whatsoever, in condemning Pakistan for the whole trouble in Kashmir. If looked other way round, it would be significant to note that if Pakistan is succeeding, India has some areas which it has not addressed. It should focus on that. Pakistan should be brought on board, and it should be done sooner than later.

Another important aspect is that the people in Kashmir need to grasp that it’s their problem , it will need an indigenous and realistic solution and they should not see India through one particular prism alone . There are sections in India who share their pain and grief and understand the rage and deep-seated frustration at what is happening and what ought to happened has not materialized .

It’s a good thing that leaders of all hues in Kashmir have told the fundamentalists in India that the street protests or stone-throwing, in any manner is meant to cause disruption to the annual Amarnath pilgrimage. The smooth yatra is evidence of what Kashmiris are saying that yatris are welcome. A similar gesture in telling India that it should not view them through the prism of stone throwers, but what’s behind it, would help in seeking a solution to the issue. Kashmiris cannot afford to have yet another generation consumed by violence and counter-violence. This, they should tell both Delhi and Islamabad, and the best way of doing so is to present its intelligent faces in the forefront and allow them to work together to get the results, instead of allowing themselves to be grounded by perpetuating a hostile environment.
 
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Instead of throwing stones at the indian occupation forces the brave youth should be given guns so they can protect themselfs.

If your gonna throw a stone and get shot and killed you might as well shoot first.
 
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Instead of throwing stones at the indian occupation forces the brave youth should be given guns so they can protect themselfs.

If your gonna throw a stone and get shot and killed you might as well shoot first.

No wonder people in Pakistan are getting massacred every alternate week ..Unlike Pakistan, in India we do not encourage gun culture.
 
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Instead of throwing stones at the indian occupation forces the brave youth should be given guns so they can protect themselfs.

If your gonna throw a stone and get shot and killed you might as well shoot first.

That is already taken care of since 1988...they get excellent kalashnikovs and training to shoot at indian armed forces..sadly (for them ) this technique has fallen flat...
 
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That is already taken care of since 1988...they get excellent kalashnikovs and training to shoot at indian armed forces..sadly (for them ) this technique has fallen flat...

You seem to forget the freedom fighters gave you the last 10 years to move on the issue of kashmir but you did nothing........time for the boys to start shooting instead of throwing stones.
 
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