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Windjammer bro this country and its people are just to blind to understand and too corrupt to accept the reality of indican occupied Kashmir and brutalities of indian occupyin forces.
May GOD be with kashmiris and mujahedeen.Ameen
 
Your so called "freedom" fighters aka "terrorists" from Indian POV are trying to seize Kashmir from India since decades but with no results...

Well going through the election process bought no result for the people of kashmir so the took up arms......something that history tells again and again is what happens when you start rigging elections and use violence to subjugate the population.

So what is the point in crossing the border and become a sitting duck... (I hope this is not a bad remark)...

Well it works both ways......the indian army are also "sitting ducks" for the freedom fighters.

Shouldn't Pakistan rethink its strategy ?

Let me guess?......pakistans strategy should except all of indians demands.

And the people who become "freedom fighters" or "terrorists" are not someone who are educated ... is this the way to use uneducated people ? Is this moral ?

I think you will find that its across section of people that join the freedom struggle.....educated....semi educated....illiterate.

I am damn sure none of the Pakistani members are going to become a so called freedom fighter or even know a so called freedom figher in their circle of educated people...

And if someone was a freedom fighter or had met themam pretty sure it would not make any difference to your opinions when it comes to kashmir.

What if Pakistan develops and no body is ready to cross the border for these causes...
this kind of people can be hired only as long as they are economically, socially and educationally backward...

I think you will find that most kashmiris can read and wright.
 
Sir

Go solve for the brutality of your own citizens who are killing their fellow citizens by dozens every week in bomb blasts. Get your eyes opened first before trying to comment on someone else's blindness :tdown:


EDIT: Arent these earlier Mujahids part of the groups that are causing these blasts in Pakistani.. You encouraged these Mujahids in Afghanistan. See the result.

Now you are wanting to encourage them in Kashmir.. lets see the payment you make to the piper for that..

Lol ur just delusional........
Ur compairing taliban fighting pakistan army to freedom fighting mujahedeen in an occupied territory where uve killed 100 000 people in 63 years and commited crimes against humanity.
U have no chance buddy........I wish the suffering of kashmiri people come and visit you and ur kind so u might better understand wat occupation is.
Thanks.
Support Mujahedden Freedom fighters.< My nationalism and faith is incomplete without it.
Kashmiris live in the heart of Pakistan.
Can sacrifise my life for my brothers and sisters haunted by occupiers.
May GOD give me a chance Ameen.
 
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The problem is that Pakistan has continuously failed in its many attempts to do some permanent damage in India thru use of insurgency/terrorism. Whether it was Naga/Mizo episode, Kashmir in 1965, Punjab in 1980s or Kargil in 1998.

India has gone in only twice 1971 and 1984, both times with spectacular results.

And I find it interesting that Paksitanis use 1971 to justify their role in Kashmir.. They need to remember that in chronology, 1965 comes before 1971
Only an Indian would call the 1971 conspiracy a spectacular much to the amusements of many since the very country they claim to liberate often gives them a bloody nose.

DISTURBED BORDER

For those in oblivion, the outstanding UN resolutions on Kashmir were implemented long before 1965.
 
Thats the problem here... A person makes a comment and then rest of the bunch uses those only comments as a proof to conclusively prove the point for which the comments were made.
:rofl:

The problem here is that Indians jump on the bandwagon in an effort to salvage some pride. Rather than digressing in your comments and question session, try and prove your worth by countering those claims.
 
Windjammer bro this country and its people are just to blind to understand and too corrupt to accept the reality of indican occupied Kashmir and brutalities of indian occupyin forces.
May GOD be with kashmiris and mujahedeen.Ameen

Yes a nation time locked in what they managed to achieve in 1971.
Little do they realize that a billion of them are being challenged by merely 160 Million. The rude awakening of 2002 is not to their liking to be remembered. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
To be very honest - It is the victory that differentiates a freedom fighter from Terrorist. Nothing else. If they finally succeed - which they will if they have real support (ex - 1971 BD) they will be freedom fighters and when they fail as they have in Baluchistan or Kashmir - The will be terrorist. As simple as that. What are they will be determined by the course taken by the conflict in future.

We can debate as much we want to - historically and internationally - Mukti Bahini is and will be viewed only as Freedom Fighters. Kashmiri Militants are considered terrorist by a majority, and the status will be confirmed as and when the conflict will end in India's favour. In case of Kashmir becoming independent or going to Pakistan - they will be classified as freedom fighters by those supporting their cause.
 
To be very honest - It is the victory that differentiates a freedom fighter from Terrorist. Nothing else. If they finally succeed - which they will if they have real support (ex - 1971 BD) they will be freedom fighters and when they fail as they have in Baluchistan or Kashmir - The will be terrorist. As simple as that. What are they will be determined by the course taken by the conflict in future.

We can debate as much we want to - historically and internationally - Mukti Bahini is and will be viewed only as Freedom Fighters. Kashmiri Militants are considered terrorist by a majority, and the status will be confirmed as and when the conflict will end in India's favour. In case of Kashmir becoming independent or going to Pakistan - they will be classified as freedom fighters by those supporting their cause.
Didnt accept this from u buddy....
Tht way bhagat singh was a terrorist?coz he was hung by brits?
Why involve BLA terrorists?tht have no agenda rather then terrorise other people including balouchis who are in government?
Do u know wat % in balouchistan supports them?
Go u know the statues of Balouchistan?
About mukti bhani......why indians boast of creating them?indian writters write books who they created them?why bengladesh is going for war crime trials against such heroes of yours?
Kashmir is occupied by indians just as the sub contitnent was by brits....
If Bhagat Singh is a hero of sub continent(including Pakistan) so is Yaseen Malik or Mr Gillani.
Thanks
 
Didnt accept this from u buddy....
Tht way bhagat singh was a terrorist?coz he was hung by brits?
Why involve BLA terrorists?tht have no agenda rather then terrorise other people including balouchis who are in government?
Do u know wat &#37; in balouchistan supports them?
Go u know the statues of Balouchistan?
About mukti bhani......why indians boast of creating them?indian writters write books who they created them?why bengladesh is going for war crime trials against such heroes of yours?
Kashmir is occupied by indians just as the sub contitnent was by brits....
If Bhagat Singh is a hero of sub continent(including Pakistan) so is Yaseen Malik or Mr Gillani.
Thanks
Sir, Bhagat singh was a great freedom Fighter, but was recognized and accepted internationally only when the end result was in his favour - Why was the result in his favour - he was fighting for the truth and had support from the masses.

If Kashmiri Militants are fighting for truth and have the support of masses - they will also win and will be cheered as freedom fighters.

So, my comment is as supportive of your (pakistani) line of thinking as it is of Indian. What I have stated is the reality. We can fight as long as we ant to, but it is the result which will finally decide - as it always had.
 
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Sir, Bhagat singh was a great freedom Fighter, but was recognized and accepted internationally only when the end result was in his favour - Why was the result in his favour - he was fighting for the truth and had support from the masses.

If Kashmiri Militants are fighting for truth and have the support of masses - they will also win and will be cheered as freedom fighters.

So, my comment is as supportive of your (pakistani) line of thinking as it is of Indian. What I have stated is the reality. We can fight as long as we ant to, but it is the result which will finally decide - as it always had.

Yes Bhagat Singh was a great hero of ours.
But still it took how many years for the sub contitnent to get freedom?
Probably more then a hundred....am i right?
till tht time freedom fighters were called terrorists by super power of tht time and the world?only the people of the sub continent recegnised him as a hero and some denied tht who were in service to the fuki... occupiers of sub continent?am i right?
Still we were able to get our freedom?
Inshallah same will happen with the people of kashmir...........u call them terrorist coz they fight for wats rightfully thiers......
Peace..............Let them deciee wat they want....dont occupy them with force.......dont go on the way of nehru follow gandhi.
 
Well going through the election process bought no result for the people of kashmir so the took up arms......something that history tells again and again is what happens when you start rigging elections and use violence to subjugate the population..


This point will derail the thread, so I will not answer this though I will simply state that I disagree with your point... let us agree to disagree and leave at at that regarding the highlighted point of yours...

Well it works both ways......the indian army are also "sitting ducks" for the freedom fighters...

From the news it does not seem to be so... more terorrists are being killed than the number of Army men being killed (may their souls rest in peace)
and I object the remarks you make about uniformed men who are fighting on the direct order of a democratic government... please refrain from doing so... they are not proxies... they are uniformed men...

Let me guess?......pakistans strategy should except all of indians demands...

Nope I am refering to pakistans strategy w.r.to india...the armed struggle through proxies has not given any results for decades so why bother to continue... why not drop this armed struggle and engage in dialogue only... ?

I think you will find that its across section of people that join the freedom struggle.....educated....semi educated....illiterate.



And if someone was a freedom fighter or had met themam pretty sure it would not make any difference to your opinions when it comes to kashmir


I think you will find that most kashmiris can read and wright....

See first of all if anybody has got a decent job and decent livelihood he will not bother taking arms... this is true world over... and I am not talking about just "read and write" ... truely developed is what I am talking about...

and this armed struggle is going nowhere ... for so many decades no gain has been made... so what is the point ? you are fighting against a conventional force with terrorists... and besides what do you think the strength of these terrorists will be 10000 at the max ? and 10000 people with such a big army + CRPF ? it stands no chance at all...
this has been tried for so long... don't they think about results... ?
isn't there an alternative plan at all... what kind of people are they ? who are not even able to see this simple evident thing ?
 
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IHK gun battle leaves four dead, says Indian army

SRINAGAR: An army soldier and three suspected insurgents were killed in Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) during a raid on a house where rebels were hiding, the Indian army said on Wednesday.

“In the initial firing by rebels, a soldier was killed and another injured,” army spokesman Vineet Sood told AFP after the incident occurred late on Tuesday, adding that three rebels died in the retaliatory fire.

Five soldiers and 14 rebels have died in violence in Kashmir over the past week.

Security officials have warned of a possible escalation in violence after the Indian army said last month 400 insurgents were poised to cross into IHK from Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK).

By official count, the insurgency against Indian rule has left more than 47,000 people dead since it erupted in 1989. afp

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
Dr Shabir Choudhry's blog: Challenges, options and role of Kashmiri Diaspora

Text of speech of Dr Shabir Choudhry in a seminar arranged by United Kashmir Peoples National Party in London on 25 April 2010.

Mr Chairman, friends and colleagues aslamo alaykam

Some previous speakers have said Pakistan is an advocate or wakeel of people of Jammu and Kashmir; and that Pakistan has suffered because of the support rendered to the people of Kashmir. They further said Pakistan has done many favours to people of Kashmir; and have kept the Kashmir dispute alive.

That is one way of looking at things, but there is, of course, an alternative view. I want to present that alternative view that people could understand facts about Pakistan’s support for Kashmir; and ‘favour’ Pakistan has done to people of Jammu and Kashmir.

Advocate or wakeel is always appointed or dismissed by a client. People of Jammu and Kashmir did not appoint Pakistan as their advocate, wakeel or representative. Pakistan is self appointed advocate and we have no faith in Pakistan’s sincerity or skills to promote our cause or protect our interests.

Furthermore, when the Kashmir dispute was taken to the UN Security Council by India it was registered there as the Kashmir Problem. It clearly indicated that the issue related to a separate territory other than India or Pakistan; and to the people of Jammu and Kashmir. First ‘favour’ the government of Pakistan did to the people of Jammu and Kashmir was to change that to India and Pakistan problem.

What this showed was that the problem was related to India and Pakistan and not to the people of Jammu and Kashmir. It also showed that Jammu and Kashmir was not a separate territory and people of that territory did not have separate identity and separate existence. It further showed that the dispute was a territorial one; and was not related to nation, its identity and future aspirations.

Let me now explain the second ‘favour’ the government of Pakistan did to the people of Jammu and Kashmir. The UNCIP Resolution of 13 August 1948 stated that ‘the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be determined in accordance with the will of the people and to that end, upon acceptance of the Truce Agreement both Governments agree to enter into consultations with the Commission to determine fair and equitable conditions whereby such free expression will be assured.’

The phrase ‘future status’ could mean an accession to Pakistan, an accession to India or an independent Jammu and Kashmir; and when this was confirmed by the UN, it was the government of Pakistan which requested the UN Security Council to change this phrase and replace it with the following: ‘The question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite.’

So it was Pakistan and not India, which limited Kashmiri peoples right of self determination to right of accession.

This self appointed advocate or wakeel thinks we people of Jammu and Kashmir do not deserve to be an independent nation. They think we do not deserve to use right of self determination. They think we do not deserve to benefit from fruits of independence and democracy. It was because of this thinking they did us another ‘favour’, and limited our right of self determination to right of accession. However they have ‘kindly’ allowed us - people of Jammu and Kashmir to choose our masters in the form of either acceding to India or Pakistan.

We, people of Jammu and Kashmir, are urged to join Pakistan – a country which has no system of accountability, no transparency, no democracy, no political stability, no rule of law, no concept of civil liberties, no economic stability, no electricity, no gas, no place for merit or honesty and which is at war with itself. A country which is in chaos, where terrorists are calling shots, where communal rivalry and violence is promoted, where government has no control in some parts of the country; and where some parts want to break away from the federation and future looks bleak.

People say there is no comparison between two sides of Kashmir because India has more than half million troops there. I agree there is no comparison. It is true there are more than half million troops. It is also true human rights abuse take place there, but despite 21 years of militancy, destruction and instability that area is far ahead of Pakistani Administered Kashmir.

They have what we cannot even dream of on this side of the LOC. They have medical colleges, technical colleges, engineering colleges, free education, high literacy rate, freedom of speech, freedom of travel, freedom to protest etc. They have human rights abuses but they have a system of recording those abuses and highlighting them.

Don’t be under any illusion, human rights abuse also takes place on this side of the LOC, but we have no system of recording that; in fact, no one dares to speak against that because of the repercussions. Leaders on that side of the LOC shout against India and yet they travel to all parts of Jammu and Kashmir, visit Pakistani High Commission in New Delhi and eat chicken tikkas.

Whereas on this side of the LOC, Azad Kashmiri Prime Minister and President cannot even travel to Gilgit Baltistan, and area part of the State. Azad Kashmiri leaders and political activists cannot even think of going to the Indian High Commission in Islamabad. They are not even allowed to have peaceful demonstrations and prime examples are the demonstrations of Mirpur and Rawalakot, where people demonstrated against electric load shedding and problems associated with that.

More electricity is produced in Mirpur and other parts of Azad Kashmir than our requirement, and that electricity is used in Pakistan and we don’t get enough to meet our needs. People of Mirpur and Rawalakot were demanding electricity and an end to more than 14 hours a day load shedding. They were peaceful and they had no guns, and yet they were mercilessly beaten up and guns were used against them injuring scores of innocent people.

Just imagine if these people were trained by India, guns were provided by them and these guns were used against Pakistani army in Azad Kashmir, then you would know what human rights abuse is. Everyone knows it was Pakistan who trained militants, gave them guns, and asked them to use them against the Indian army. India reacted and committed human rights abuses, and now they have more than half million army there. No one can defend that. But ask yourself if they had half million army there before the start of the militancy. Answer is no. So those who started militancy, trained men, sent guns and bombs provided a reason for India to station this large army there.

Many more examples could be given to explain the situation regarding two parts of Kashmir, but due to time I cannot go in to details. But I have to tell you some more facts, bitter as they are. Those leaders and parties who preach you to liberate the Valley of Kashmir or Indian side of Jammu and Kashmir first are not sincere with the cause of Kashmir.

In disguise these people are promoting someone else’s agenda. Their aim is not to liberate Kashmir, but to promote interests of those who want to keep India engaged in Jammu and Kashmir. They want to give this impression that problem is only on the Indian side of the divide, and on the Pakistani side of the divide everything is rosy. That is not true. This part is also occupied, but people are hoodwinked in name of religion and brotherhood. We should learn how Pakistan has practically annexed our motherland - area of Gilgit Baltistan.

On this side of the LOC, we are occupied by Pakistan. Our resources are exploited by them. Our struggle is on this side of the divide. My struggle starts from Bhimber. It starts from Mirpur and Kotli and other parts of Pakistani Administered Kashmir. People of the Indian side of Kashmir are struggling for independence on that side of the divide and they are making big sacrifices. I feel their suffering. I admire their spirit and sacrifices. I fully support that struggle; and want to help and advance the cause of united and independent Jammu and Kashmir.

My words might appear harsh, and some might call this ‘anti Pakistan’. I am not anti Pakistan; in fact no Kashmiri is anti Pakistan. Examples I have given regarding Pakistani role are historical facts. I am not here to promote a Pakistani interest. My mission is to promote a Kashmiri interest and explain to people who have done what against us to harm us, and to enslave us. In discharging this duty if another country’s strategic or other interest are damaged it DOES NOT worry me. It DOES NOT worry me if people dislike or oppose me for promoting a Kashmiri interest.

In conclusion, we people are faced with challenges of extremism, violence and hatred. We are challenged by anti democratic anti liberal forces. We people of Jammu and Kashmir do not have many choices. We have only two choices: accept this intimidation and occupation and become collaborators, or stand up and oppose them. Come what may, we have decided to stand up and fight them back. END

Writer is Director Diplomatic Committee of Kashmir National Party, political analyst and author of many books and booklets. Also he is Director Institute of Kashmir
 
Lol ur just delusional........
Ur compairing taliban fighting pakistan army to freedom fighting mujahedeen in an occupied territory where uve killed 100 000 people in 63 years and commited crimes against humanity.
U have no chance buddy........I wish the suffering of kashmiri people come and visit you and ur kind so u might better understand wat occupation is.
Thanks.
Support Mujahedden Freedom fighters.< My nationalism and faith is incomplete without it.
Kashmiris live in the heart of Pakistan.
Can sacrifise my life for my brothers and sisters haunted by occupiers.
May GOD give me a chance Ameen.

No.. I am not comparing them at all ... I am simply showing what happened when you gave the same support to Afghanistani Mujahids fighting for freedom. That policy is today causing explosions all over Pakistan and killing your citizens without prejudice. I am afraid, but the same or worse will be the result of your policies in Kashmir
 
Only an Indian would call the 1971 conspiracy a spectacular much to the amusements of many since the very country they claim to liberate often gives them a bloody nose.

DISTURBED BORDER

For those in oblivion, the outstanding UN resolutions on Kashmir were implemented long before 1965.

Yes.. Obviously a Pakistani whose country got split in two will not call 1971 as spectacular.

So make up your mind.. What is the cause of Pakistan promoting terrorism in Kashmir.. UNSC resolution of 1948 or 1971?
 
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