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It seems through this discussion that India has no intention to end the bloodbath in Kashmir.
Respected Indian members do not tell me that you are unaware of the gross violations of basic human rights by your forces in Kashmir, do not tell me you still feel no pity for them(the Kashmiris), if you do then work to stop these violations and maybe Kashmiris will drop their demand of secession.
Simple............

Can you give source, which is genuine and unbiased and has proofs?

The Pakistanis seem to have too much sympathy for the people of Kashmir. If India is an oppressor and Pakistan is so concerned about Kashmiri people, then why should Pakistan not start a full fledged war with India? People of Pakistan should press the Pakistan government to declare war on India, but this coward form of war tactics is what no one likes, i.e., provoking people of J&K against India, supporting insurgency and sending terrorists into India to kill civilians. That won't do good and only create setiments against Pakistan.
 
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Can you give source, which is genuine and unbiased and has proofs?

The Pakistanis seem to have too much sympathy for the people of Kashmir. If India is an oppressor and Pakistan is so concerned about Kashmiri people, then why should Pakistan not start a full fledged war with India? People of Pakistan should press the Pakistan government to declare war on India, but this coward form of war tactics is what no one likes, i.e., provoking people of J&K against India, supporting insurgency and sending terrorists into India to kill civilians. That won't do good and only create setiments against Pakistan.

Buddy, if you wanna talk about who's fighting dirty you should investigate what goes on in India's embassies in Afghanistan, you will get your answer, as for full fledged war, well let me jog your memory by reminding you that we already have fought two wars over kashmir (1948,1965).
 
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Buddy, if you wanna talk about who's fighting dirty you should investigate what goes on in India's embassies in Afghanistan, you will get your answer, as for full fledged war, well let me jog your memory by reminding you that we already have fought two wars over kashmir (1948,1965).

Thats called ...Twisting ....and twisting...and more twisting.....The question here is about Pakistani Support to terrorism in India ...and the answer ....You have got Consulates In Afghanistan.....

By the way the Consulates in Afghanistan are a recent Phenomenon...but Pakistani support to terrorism in India is about 6 Decades old.
 
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Buddy, if you wanna talk about who's fighting dirty you should investigate what goes on in India's embassies in Afghanistan, you will get your answer, as for full fledged war, well let me jog your memory by reminding you that we already have fought two wars over kashmir (1948,1965).

Why not another one? Is Pakistan afraid? 1965 is a long time to see India oppressing Kashmiris, isn't it?
 
First of all everyone knows Geelani represents a minority within a minority. IF Mirwaiz Farooq had said the same it would have presented a wider group of people, but when u talk Geelani, think Qazi Hussain Ahmed in Pakistan and Pakistanis should realize then straightaway how much popular support he would have.


Secondly, whats with this obsession of we ruled over India and giving it a color as if Pakistan rules over India? The Mughals were originally from central asia near present day Uzbekistan, over the years they had settled in and around the Gangetic plains. Many of the Mughals had Rajptu mothers, so even by today's boundaries, they were very much pat of India. No wonder the major majority of Mughal heritage is in India.

Infact it was the troublesome Pashtoon tribes in the west along with the sikhs and muslims of punjab that gave the Mughals a hard time and they in turn tried to suppress them with Rajput support. Later the migrated pathans fighters who had settled in present day Maharashtra were part of the army of Shivaji who again fought with Aurangzeb. So if anything the Mughals were fighting the tribes and sikhs alliance in the west from their base in Delhi, UP and Rajasthan.
 
Chidambaram terms 'bizarre' rejection of CBI report on Shopian

Home Minister P Chidambaram today termed as "bizarre" the rejection of the CBI report on the death of two women in Shopian in Jammu and Kashmir and said any pre-disposition in favour of a particular conclusion was not the way to go about a professional probe.

"This is bizarre. You (those objecting CBI's findings) asked for a CBI inquiry and then if the inquiry does not support your original hypothesis, you condemn the report," he said when asked to comment on the rejection of the agency's report on the death of Neelofar (22) and Asiya (17), whose bodies were found in a stream in May.

According to the CBI report, the women died due to drowning and the two were not raped and murdered as alleged by the family members of the victims.

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Here is your link, pretty basic but something everyone can relate to:
Kashmir conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Thats called ...Twisting ....and twisting...and more twisting.....The question here is about Pakistani Support to terrorism in India ...and the answer ....You have got Consulates In Afghanistan.....

By the way the Consulates in Afghanistan are a recent Phenomenon...but Pakistani support to terrorism in India is about 6 Decades old.

Those are allegations not facts.
 
Why not another one? Is Pakistan afraid? 1965 is a long time to see India oppressing Kashmiris, isn't it?

Afraid, please you amuse me too much................ If you remember we came to the brink of full scale war in 2002, and it was India who first moved their additional forces to the border, after senseless violence and loss of life, THE INDIANS FELL BACK...........
 
Here is your link, pretty basic but something everyone can relate to:
Kashmir conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmm, the first line reads:

The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (February 2009)

Those are allegations not facts.

Yes, all facts lies with Pakistan, India can fool its people with allegations alone.
 
Afraid, please you amuse me too much................ If you remember we came to the brink of full scale war in 2002, and it was India who first moved their additional forces to the border, after senseless violence and loss of life, THE INDIANS FELL BACK...........

Oh then the Pakistanis should have moved ahead and gain control over Kashmir? :what:

Please you amuse me no less. The truth is Pakistan has been beaten in all the three wars, hence the only thing that makes sense to Pakistan is to become a coward and send terrorists to India for God knows what Azad Kashmir. Not sure whether Pakistan loves Kashmiris or Kashmir.
 
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Yes, all facts lies with Pakistan, India can fool its people with allegations alone.

What proof did India have of Pakistan's involvement in..................................let's say.......................... Mumbai Attacks ?
A toothpaste, packets of washing powder and a guy speaking in Urdu on the phone (for all we know the phone call could be a fake or from the Urdu speaking community in India) ?
And the evidence we have comprises of 4 tonnes of medicines(indian made) from bajaur, about 500 parcels of plastic explosives(indian) from Swat and crates upon crates of 7.62 mm rounds and mortars, stamped "Made in India" "2007" from Waziristan.......
 
Oh then the Pakistanis should have moved ahead and gain control over Kashmir? :what:

Please you amuse me no less. The truth is Pakistan has been beaten in all the tree wars, hence the only thing that makes sense to Pakistan is to become a coward and send terrorists to India for God knows what Azad Kashmir. Not sure whether Pakistan loves Kashmir or Kashmiris.

At that time Atal Bihari Vajpayee declared that the Kashmir issue could be discussed and solved according to the UN Resolution.
We took his word............nothing yet though.........
 
Well here is another take on it, a New Delhi based rights group has come out with its own fact finding report that disregards the drowning theory apparently.

Shopian double murder being hushed up, alleges women’s group

New Delhi, Dec 10 (IANS) “They make it a desolation and call it a peace” - with this line by a Kashmiri-American poet reflecting his thoughts on his state, a Delhi-based women’s group sums up its report on the Shopian rape and murder of two women that triggered a massive furore in the Kashmir Valley this year.
The Independent Women’s Initiative for Justice (IWIJ) in its report released Thursday alleges that the Jammu and Kashmir government is involved in a major hush-up of the rape-murder of the two women in May this year.

The IWIJ, which conducted its independent findings into the incident, wonders if the “facts of what happened to the two women before their bodies appeared in a nallah (stream) will ever be known”.

The IWIJ report comes against the backdrop of the Central Bureau of Investigation’s (CBI) leaked findings, which reportedly ruled out foul play in the deaths and said that the women had drowned. The CBI is to submit its report to the Jammu and Kashmir High Court Monday.

According to the CBI’s leaked report, which appeared in the Srinagar media, the two women had drowned May 29 in a stream in Shopian where their bodies were found a day later. This finding corroborates the first statement of Chief Minister Omar Abdullah on the incident. He later said he had been misled by the Shopian district administration and police.

However, the IWIJ has contested the CBI’s findings and maintains that during its team’s visit to Shopian in August it found that the water in the stream was only ankle-deep - not enough for anybody to drown in it.

“As for accidental drowning of the two women in the nallah, where no one in recent or living memory has ever drowned, we would need to be more than merely credulous to believe that,” the IWIJ report says, alleging that the state government and police are involved in hushing up the case.

The two women were found dead May 30, triggering a major uprising in the Kashmir Valley this summer. Shopian town, 50 km from Srinagar, observed a 47-day shutdown before the state government announced a one-man inquiry commission.

The inquiry commission alleged that four police officers were involved in rubbing off some of the key evidence following which they were suspended and arrested. The case was then handed over to the CBI in September.

Though the CBI is yet to file its report, media reports indicate that the central probe team has concluded that the women died of drowning.

“How is that possible?” asked Seema Mishra, a Delhi-based lawyer and one of the IWIJ members who visited the valley in August on a fact-finding mission.

“We don’t conclude anything, but there is a major cover-up. The government perhaps doesn’t want an ugly scene that may sabotage the ongoing peace process. Why don’t they understand that you are pushing Kashmiris more into fanaticism, to militancy by denying justice?” Usha Ramanathan of the IWIJ said, speaking to reporters.

“Two woman sacrificed at the altar of national security. No matter that the guilty are unlikely ever to be found. It is not just that two women were buried, exhumed and buried again. Justice itself is well and truly buried all across the state - in Shopian for certain,” she said.
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The entire report can be found here
Independent Women’s Initiative for Justice - Shopian report 2009
 
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What proof did India have of Pakistan's involvement in..................................let's say.......................... Mumbai Attacks ?
A toothpaste, packets of washing powder and a guy speaking in Urdu on the phone (for all we know the phone call could be a fake or from the Urdu speaking community in India) ?
And the evidence we have comprises of 4 tonnes of medicines(indian made) from bajaur, about 500 parcels of plastic explosives(indian) from Swat and crates upon crates of 7.62 mm rounds and mortars, stamped "Made in India" "2007" from Waziristan.......
Are you litteraly so innocent that you do not know about the proof.
Also give some proof about Indian oppression, I am still waiting 3 months gone.
 
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