Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[Hulk]

May last 30 south of the district in Shopian river neelopher John and 22-year-old 17 sister of her were found dead. A local Chief Minister said that this incident was the accident, told the local people that they were accused of sexual abuse forces killed after. so severe protest & wave of transportation strikes Started afterwards.Then on the government level it was confirmed as the sexual abuse and murder case.

Indian Central Investigation Dept.The CBI Said that
"In last may in the southern Kashmir district in Shopian two women raped and killed the alleged matter of false and two women drowned in the river to be killed is just an accident"

BBC Urdu - News

So what about Postmortem report? Is that was False?


-CBI will say after some time that Blood of 80 Thousand Kashmiris is Dummy

and Afterwards
-CBI will say Presence of More then Half Million Indian soldiers is just an Incident.

The report that postmortem report was given under public pressure was a news some 15 days ago.

 

[Bas_tum_Pak]

The report that postmortem report was given under public pressure was a news some 15 days ago.

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Then we are waiting for the day when Freedom of Kashmir will be given by Govt of India under "Public Pressure"

 

[Gazzi]

Just another farce and reason why Kashmiris do not want to live as part of India, hence why India to this day has not allowed Independant outside observers or investigators to investigate genocides and war crimes by India. This just shows the coverup approach of India in another attempt to attack minorities.

I wonder what the kashmiris must be going through in this critical time of holocaust they are suffering

 

[Spitfighter]

Can the Indian security forces bring back to life the tens of thousands tortured and massacred by them and buried in mass graves?

Let me know how that works out.

The real 'pity' is that Indian continues to occupy the territory and deny the Kashmiris the right to self determination as promised in the UNSC resolutions and accepted by India.

Can Pakistan bring back the tens of thousands tortured and massacred by its so called 'non state actors'?

Let me know when that happens, in the mean time I think you should get off your high horse ASAP.

There is no occupation AM. If Pakistan is hell bent on a plebiscite then it should go ahead and hold one on its side of the border.

Pakistan does not speak for Kashmir or Kashmiris.

 

[PAFAce]

There is no occupation AM. If Pakistan is hell bent on a plebiscite then it should go ahead and hold one on its side of the border.

Pakistan does not speak for Kashmir or Kashmiris.

When the Kashmiris speak for themselves, you call them traitors and terrorists. When they hold mass rallies, you call them riots. When they protest, you arrest them. When all else fails, they pick up the gun, and you refuse to acknowledge that they are freedom fighters.

Clearly, under these circumstances, Pakistan has every right to stand up speak on behalf of the Kashmiris and Kashmir, those who were conned into Indian Occupation when Pakistan was created. Heck, if it weren't for us, who knows how far India would have gone in Kashmir? Probably would have put Israel to shame. The minds of the Kashmiris on this side of the border was made when they decided to join this federation, you still haven't allowed the ones on your side basic human and civil rights. Living like prisoners on their own soil, that my friend, is Occupation 101.

We're not on any high horses, you're the ones living in la-la land. You can't solve any problems when you fail to recognize their existence.

 

[Iggy]

When the Kashmiris speak for themselves, you call them traitors and terrorists. When they hold mass rallies, you call them riots. When they protest, you arrest them. When all else fails, they pick up the gun, and you refuse to acknowledge that they are freedom fighters.

Clearly, under these circumstances, Pakistan has every right to speak on behalf of the Kashmiris and Kashmir. The minds of the Kashmiris on this side of the border was made when they decided to join this federation, you still haven't allowed the ones on your side basic human and civil rights. Living like prisoners on their own soil, that my friend, is Occupation 101.

We're not on any high horses, you're the ones living in la-la land.

I agree with Kasmiri can talk for them selves ..But how can you justify recruiting in the name of religion and sending them to kill by your so called non-state actors across the broder sir??Now its more like some others war than Kasmiries war...and those who took the gun also killed the Kashmiries ..and also can you justify the attacks on Kashmiri pundits sir??Every body is saying about Hindu fanatics..what happnend to Kashmiri pundits is not mentioned anywhere?are they not Kashmiries?or are their life expendable because they are Hindus??

 

[EjazR]

Rising Kashmir, Daily Newspaper, Srinagar Jammu and Kashmir - Report indicts 13 for fabricating evidence

Ishfaq Tantry
Srinagar, Dec 14: The premier investigating agency, the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), which filed its report before the High Court Monday, has chargesheeted 13 persons in the Shopian case, involving the alleged rape and murder of two women, Asiya and Neelofer.

The thirteen persons chargesheet before CJM Srinagar include six doctors, five lawyers from Shopian, including Shopian Bar president, and two civilians. Interestingly, the agency has brought no charges against the four cops who were earlier arrested by the Special Investigation Team (SIT) on July 15.

The CBI, which took over the investigation from the SIT on September 17 into the alleged Shopian rape and murder case, has now finalized its investigation, terming the Shopian case as a case of drowning. Talking to the mediapersons, CBI counsel Anil Bhan, advocate, who earlier represented the agency in the court, told Rising Kashmir: “The CBI has finalized its investigation. It is a case of drowning. It is neither a case of rape nor murder. The CBI has chargesheeted 13 persons for fabrication of the evidence,” adding the chargesheet was presented before the CJM Srinagar on December 10 by the CBI.

Earlier, talking to the mediapersons, CBI chief investigating officer Sanjay said,

“We have charged 13 persons, which include six doctors, five lawyers and two civilians.”

When asked why CBI filed its chargesheet in Srinagar and not Shopian, he said, “CJM Srinagar is the notified court for the CBI cases in Kashmir Valley, that is why we filed the chargesheet in CJM Court Srinagar.”

The 13 persons chargesheeted by the CBI include Dr Nighat Shaheen, Dr Ghulam Qadir Sofi, Dr Mohd Maqbool Mir, Dr Ghulam Mohammad Paul, Dr Bilal Ahmad Dalal, Dr Nazia Hassan, advocates Dr Abdul Majid Mir (Shopian Bar president), Mushtaq Ahmad Gattoo (Public prosecutor), Mohd Yousuf Bhat, Mohd Altaf, Sheikh Mubarak, besides Ali Mohammad Sheikh (civilian) and Zahoor Ahmad Ahanger (Shakeel's brother).

In the 66-page chargesheet prepared by the CBI, it has been submitted as regards the findings of the exhumation carried out by the AIIMS doctors on September 28,

“After examining the aforesaid samples, the Board of Directors of AIIMS, New Delhi forwarded their opinion, including the findings of the CFSL, New Delhi vide their opinion No. CL.For.Med.22/2009 dated 15.11.2009 which is as under....”

The charge sheet further reads, “In view of the above findings, we are of the considered opinion that the cause of death in the case of Asiya was due to asphyxia, as a result of ante-mortem drowning. The lacerated wound on the forehead could be produced by blunt force/striking head against the hard surface and was not sufficient to cause death in ordinary course of nature. There was nothing suggestive of penetration of penis or like object through the hymen opening as the hymen was found intact.”

Drawing their conclusion in case of Neelofer, the Board adds, “in view of the findings, we are of the considered opinion that the cause of death in this case was due to asphyxia as a result of ante-mortem drowning. There were no external ante-mortem injuries on the body.
In section 16.16.13.6, the charge sheet, while giving clean chit to the police officers, adds: “The call detail records of the mobile phones used by the suspected police officers were checked and verified from all angles but nothing adverse was found. Hence the investigation has revealed that the four arrested police officers were not involved in any manner with this incident.”

The charge sheet adds, “the investigation has revealed that the six doctors mentioned such false facts in their different post-mortem reports which supported the theory of rape and murder of the deceased ladies, whereas it has been conclusively proved by the findings of the AIIMS/CFSL that the deceased ladies had died due to ante-mortem drowning, besides these being no evidence to support any attempt to rape."

The charge sheet adds, “similarly, the five accused advocates induced, assaulted and threatened the witnesses to make false statements implicating the police, troops in a false case of rape and murder of the two deceased in order to defame, discredit and cause injury to the personnel of the police/security forces and get them wrongfully convicted for capital offence.”

Further, the charge sheet adds: "Thus the accused have committed offences under section 120-B, 167, 193, 194, 195 A RPC and substantive offences under section 167, 193, 194 and 195 A RPC. It is therefore prayed that the accused persons named above may be summoned and tried according to the law.”

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What is wrong is that they create fake issue to build anti India sentiments. This explains why everything that happens in J&K gets hyped. Easier for us to defend now, thats all.

And perhaps some of the politicians elected under elections held by India create a 'fake impression' that Kashmiris want to be a part of India, since they are effectively under 'India's payroll'.

Why is it alright for India to 'pay' pro-India Kashmiris as legislators and it is not alright for Pakistan to pay the parties that advocate for an end to Indian occupation and an implementation of the UNSC resolutions that India, Pakistan and the world committed to until India reneged on its commitment?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Now that you have been caught, trying to brazen it out?

If there is nothing wrong with Hurriyat being on payroll of Pakistan, then why did you not make it public before you were exposed in the media?

Perhaps we kept it low key because we did not want the people we were supporting to be tortured, massacred and buried in mass graves by Indian security forces like the tens of thousands of others.

But whatever the reason for keeping it 'low key', that does not answer my query of why not, given that India keeps certain 'leaders' on its payroll?

 

[EjazR]

Pakistan has agreed to three options.

1. If Kashmiris want to join India? we will accept it.

2. If Kashmiris want to join Pakistan, we will accept it.

3. If Kashmiris want to have an independent Kashmir, we will accept it.


Now Indians should come up with a free and fair referendum under UN and neutral observers to determine one of the above options.


Now its all about Indian terrorism in Kashmir and no one else.

Jana, unfortuantely you don't speak for the establishment and GoP who have clearly stated their opposition to an independant J&K state. One of the reasons why India and Pakistan are the only two options on the UNSC resolutions.

The plebescite is a dead horse if you follow the ground realities. Why doesn't Pakistan come up with a free and fair referendum on its side of Kashmir to put moral pressure on India to do the same? We all know that it was only this year people of Gilgit Baltistan actually got a chance to vote.

The only solution is negotiated settlement, keeping in mind the aspirations of the Kashmiris

 

[EjazR]

I don't see why PDP and Mehbooba mufti should be considered "traitors" really. Sure she is a pain and has fiery anti-establishment drive but she heads a mainstream party that works within the Indian constitution. They have every right to present their point of view no matter how unplatable and illogical it may be at times.

I think she has been one of the main reasons why the sepratists have been marginalised even more as she has taking most of their talking points about injustice e.t.c. and actually delievered on them gaining people's confidence.

When NC dominated local politics, they eventaully turned corrupt and complacent instead of working for the people. A strong local opposition keeps them on their heels and ensures better governance and just development int he long run. Moreover, PDP has actually done a service by undercutting sepratist support in the long run.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Yeah, it's never a big deal when somebody unmasks the nefarious designs of Pakistan meddling in and actively abetting violence against innocent civilians in other countries. Only if it happens the other way round it should be a big deal, right?

The only 'nefarious' design here is the Indian state continuing to occupy a people and their land and refusing to allow a free and fair plebiscite under which Kashmiris (either in the entire state or various formulations that have been suggested) could choose which nation they wish to be a part of.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I agree with Kasmiri can talk for them selves ..But how can you justify recruiting in the name of religion and sending them to kill by your so called non-state actors across the broder sir??Now its more like some others war than Kasmiries war...and those who took the gun also killed the Kashmiries ..and also can you justify the attacks on Kashmiri pundits sir??Every body is saying about Hindu fanatics..what happnend to Kashmiri pundits is not mentioned anywhere?are they not Kashmiries?or are their life expendable because they are Hindus??

How can you justify using hundreds of thousands of Indian Army and paramilitary forces to occupy and control J&K? Let them choose which nation they wish to be a part of under a free and fair plebiscite.

 

[brahmastra]

How can you justify using hundreds of thousands of Indian Army and paramilitary forces to occupy and control J&K? Let them choose which nation they wish to be a part of under a free and fair plebiscite.

how can you justify the people of India killed by the pakistan backed terrorists?we will let them choose which country they wish to be a part of once they get out the the pakistan backed separatist.

 

[EjazR]

Hurriyat closes ranks after Qureshi attack, dialogue move gets boost

The attack on veteran separatist Fazal Haq Qureshi may have come as a sobering reminder to the Hurriyat moderates about the likely repercussions of their decision to hold talks with the Centre, but less than 10 days after the incident, the Hurriyat seems to be more positioned than ever to continue the dialogue process. And this time armed with a degree of moral high ground.

The Hurriyat, which was earlier split over internal differences over the “secret nature” of the engagement with New Delhi — with some leaders arguing it sowed suspicions among people — has closed ranks and resolved to get on with the dialogue.

Hurriyat chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq was quick to reiterate his commitment to continuing the dialogue soon after the Qureshi attack, stating that there was “no other option” but to “carry on talks with New Delhi and Pakistan”.

Qureshi’s own party, the People’s Political Front, has also come out strongly in favour of the talks. Senior PPF leader Musadiq Adil has said his party would not be “overawed and unnerved by the inhuman physical assault”.

“Those looking upon dialogue as a sellout are, in fact, demonstrating their intellectual bankruptcy and lack of confidence and vision,” Adil said.

In fact, Adil has turned around and accused separatist hardliners of “selling out”. In an oblique reference to Hurriyat hawk Syed Ali Shah Geelani, he said that those against the talks had contested polls and taken oath on the Constitution in the 1980s when Qureshi was languishing in jail for his separatist beliefs. “The PPF leadership has never compromised on its beliefs. Everyone knows when we were sent to jails and deprived of our government jobs, some people were contesting elections and taking oath on the Indian Constitution. Now the same people are accusing us of selling out,” Adil said.

Significantly, the attack on Qureshi has somewhat undermined the appeal of the hardliners. Their belligerent rhetoric has begun to ring hollow and their margin to run down the dialogue narrowed. In fact, Geelani has condemned the attack and has since said that the moderates are free to talk to the Centre even though he himself remains ideologically against such a move as “our stand is that 130 rounds of such dialogue haven’t achieved anything”.

The stage, for now, seems set for a new round of engagement between the Centre and Hurriyat. Leveraged by public sympathy over the attack, the doves have been momentarily able to fend off the political challenge from hawks. The ball is now in the Centre’s court. For, it won’t be long before this window of opportunity closes again.