That's your theory. Far more plausible is the possibility is the Mutalik is a ploy to divide "Hindu" votes.
A deeper reach into fantasy, since Mutalik has never once exposed himself to the dynamics of elections. How can he divide Hindu votes when he has been turning out in support of Sangh Parivar candidates even after being 'expelled' from the Bajrang Dal?
Why are we being coy. Spill the beans and we shall examine how far the RSS hypothesis holds up.
I believe that there are reasons not to go beyond a point on certain web-sites. Please look up the track record and careers of the police officers who were in charge in Hubli and Dharwar, during the career and strange upward track of the top BJP politicians. Please do not be surprised at finding in these records sufficient reason to suspect collusion, and a clear understanding of how 'expelled' workers worked whole-heartedly for the Parivar without attracting to the Parivar the opprobrium that these activities led to.
Indics in India are routinely subjected to brutal pogroms, with the connivance of the authorities. Most recent example being Debanga.
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What is an Indic? Your code for Hindu?
And you expect an unbiased report from Chandan Mitra, called to talk on TV talk shows to represent the BJP? and the Sangh Parivar in general?
It is interesting that while I have been critical of all three political angles relevant at the national level, BJP/Sangh Parivar, Congress and Leftists, you are exclusively committed to the interests of the Sangh Parivar.
As regards Lakshmananda, it was the Christian faction of the Maoists that was responsible for the massacre of the Ashram residents, with the abetment of powerful Christian Congress politicians. In fact, the gory murder resulted in a split between the Hindu and Christian Maoists.
Really?
Christian faction of the Maoists? Are we innovating politically here? Is there any religious divide within the Maoists, except in the overheated minds of the BJP and its supporters?
Not at all surprising, it was Lakshmanananda who was a hurdle for the evangelists, not Staines.
Nowhere, in all its activities, have the Maoists supported evangelists. The Maoists have their own very clearly defined agenda and political programme; like it or leave it, they are clear about what they represent and what they want, and whom they oppose.
There can be no doubt, I hope, gauging by their activities, not only in Orissa, but also in Chhatisgarh, that they are irreconcilably hostile to the BJP and its fascist politics. There is no point in discovering mythical religious segments and orientation within their ranks in order to ward off the clear consequences of Lakshmananda's violent proselytisation. If he had not opposed the conversions among the Pans or Pannas, if he had not taken the route of allying himself with the human-sacrificing, and, ironically, beef-eating Konds or Kandhas, the communal upheaval would not have occurred.
The Sangh Parivar, in this case, I believe, the VHP, took advantage of the keen resentment of the Kandhas to Pannas seeking to be treated with respect and human dignity to couch this anthropological problem in religious terms, and to use the activity of conversions to create the bloodshed and disorder which traditionally they have used to fetch votes.
Just like the National Socialists.
Why the predilection for foreign sources when there is an official Indian inquiry report -
Apparently you are not careful when you refer to others' posts; I was not referring to information on some other web-site, I was referring to some possible limits on PakDef.
Please note that the truth is very different from your "RSS did it" rant.
Are we supposed to accept these Nanavati Commissions as the truth? Strange, isn't it? On the one hand, when these commissions and enquiries are mounted by your political opponents, you scoff at them as being biased and motivated, but your own side's commission and enquiries, or the commissions and enquiries that favour your favoured interest are as pure as the driven snow.
There are sufficient detailed reports prepared by NGOs, including those with no Christian affiliation or interest, to tell you, me and the rest of the world what is happening. There is also the anthropological evidence, which I rather suspect you never had even heard of before reading it here.
My dear fellow, you have yet to apologize for your dishonest cherry-picking of the article on Mutalik. Such flights of rhetoric are unlikely to further your cause.
First, I am not particularly flattered by your form of address; I would rather not be your dear fellow, considering myself neither dear to you nor your fellow. Not to hurt you, but I would rather pick my own friends, and not have them thrust themselves on me. There is little chance of our getting friendly, I fear.
Second, there is no question of apologising for what you say is cherry-picking. I selected those passages that suited my purpose, rather than quoting the whole, which would have diluted the impact.
Pramod Muthalik still remains a child of the Parivar, he still marches in lock step with the Parivar, and he saunters in and out of Shankar Bidari's office as if he owns the man. Why don't you ask Bangaloreans involved in the struggle against him, against the Parivar and against the social engineering that Yedyurappa's government brought in what they feel, directly?
The fact is, I think we both know what is happening in reality, and this is your effort to pervert the world's understanding of it taking advantage of the fact that the state is actively protecting him.
How ironic to read you and your ilk foaming at the mouth about the identical behaviour by those sub-human non-Indics across the border. Perhaps you have more in common with them than you want to believe.
Most of the structure, in particular the massive walls, was in fact demolished after Kalyan Singh had already quit. It is in fact not known which individuals organized the tools, and who actually damaged the domes.
Special pleading.
Perhaps it was the tooth-fairy. Perhaps it was the CRPF jawans, who had nothing to do and got bored. Perhaps it was SIMI, looking for new provocations. The Chinese? they aren't too far away. Are we forgetting the Chinese?
Incidentally, there is some new insight on the Samjhauta incident, which our friend Joe is desperately trying to pin on the RSS.
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Sometimes, the sheer shamelessness and dishonesty of our secularists is mind-boggling. I mean, how is this any better than Zaid Hamid saying that Mumbai 26/11 was all an RSS plot to eliminate "Kurkuray".
I am a secularist, so that part of your observation is correct.
If you wish to include me in the Congress or the Leftist camps, try again. I have made it clear again and again, not just on this forum, but on other fora, and months before this particular thread, what I think of Congress and the Left in India.
Finally, if you think about it, Zaid Hamid has much more in common with your set than the secularists. Was it a secularist who said that Hindus and Muslims did everything the opposite way? Have you not heard Sadhvi Rithambra's ****** speeches?
And how is this relevant here ?
Try not to act the innocent. By showing that the same nexus between politician and policeman that was active in those parts, fomented largely by Yedyurappa, continues today. The same protection that was extended to Muthalik then continues today.
And I quoted the parts that say he was expelled from the Sangh for his activities.Thats the extent the sangh can go.They cant take an AK and shoot the shyt out of him for that.
No, that comment was typical of the mindset of the BJP and its supporters.
Nobody was talking about AK 47s and nobody was talking of shooting anybody. This is not Gujarat; this is not an encounter.
All they needed to do was to allow cases against him to move forward, instead of stone-walling them. All they needed to do was to observe the rule of law, rather than allowing it to be broken.
It is also noteworthy that the BJP spends huge amounts of time figuring how to get things done the perverted way, and hardly ever spends time doing things constitutionally.
Conspiracy theory and nothing more! Since I have disproved your claim that He was a part of the Sangh while he indulged in that Mangalore Pub incident you are now resorting to accusations that cannot be proved.
I think that everything that has been said has registered with those who wish to learn more and did not have the facts, and I shall continue to give these facts the widest publicity.
Let me remind you of a parallel: when from the Indian side, it was first suggested that 26/11 was a Pakistani -based incident, there was a tidal wave of outrage. Subsequently, stage by stage, more and more evidence has come out, and stage by stage, corresponding to that, the defence against our repeated statements has changed. Further, stage by stage, as things became clearer, there was apparent administrative and judicial action taken, all of which meandered away into the sands of judicial and administrative inaction.
Do you see the parallel? You are so full of admiration and defence for the Sangh today, as the links to Muthalik and Purohit become clearer, as they have already become clearer in identical fashion to Amit Shah, as they have already always been clear with respect to Baba Bajrangi, what will your defence be?
Tell me one thing -- You are working in a firm and you have been fired for your mis-demeanor (hypothetical scenario) and you continue to indulge in it even after you have been fired. Now can anyone fault your employer for your mis-conduct after you have been fired ??
It seems they can according to the logic you peddle here.
Is that supposed to be a parallel? Is the world of business and misdemeanours, including lapses in business etiquette identical to crimes committed under the constitution?
If you are saying that the firm fired an employee for acting in a criminal or in a justiciable manner, without taking appropriate action against him in reporting him to the police, or in taking judicial action against him, on the other hand, then the firm is certainly at fault.
Common Abir we all know what Subramanian is saying, so let me be blunt :
All of this 'minority' (note that I'm a Jain, but I don't get special privileges
) politics started with the Congress and the goddamn Shah Bano case.
Implement the Uniform Civil Code, remove Hajj subsidies and I'll stop whining about Congress/Pseudo Secularism
But who has anywhere objected to it?
Can't you read? Haven't you seen clearly the explicit statements that the misdeeds of the Congress are not justifications for the misdeeds of the Left, or that the misdeeds of either of them do not justify the misdeeds of the Sangh Parivar?
This is not a Congress or a Leftist versus the Parivar platform; it is one which is against illegal actions against the citizens of a state, full citizens with full citizenship rights, no matter which political group is guilty of this.
I was pointing to Subramanian's point:
Every country in the world works by the feeling of the majority except India.
What he really wanted to say:
Only India works by the feeling of the 'minority'
That is because you, and people like you, encourage political parties to bend the constitution, which does not allow for the feeling of the minority or the feeling of the majority, but does require the ruling of the law.
Read the threads that your friends contributed. Left to themselves, without the fear of the law, they would be committing pogroms against the minorities every weekend. Their favourite party, or social movement cum party, the Sangh Parivar, openly incites violence, just like the Communists used to do, just like the Maoists still do. The Congress? They are too busy stealing money to bother rioting, except on the odd occasion that they are overcome by a fake loyalty and a fake emotion, and get a chance to act like animals.
Fortunately, due to the decades of democracy, and due to the decades of judicial authority that we have enjoyed, we still have some restraints on such behaviour. If we were to accept all the ideas that you have put forward, even indirectly, in this thread, please tell me: what is the difference between the state of India that you want, and the state of Pakistan as it is? except, of course, the role of the Army.
