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yaar, pakistaniyoin ko apne desh ki chodd ker puri duniya ki fiker hai....
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The thread starter is the biggest fake, and is a racist bigot on top of it. You should have seen his comments on another forum, where he got banned around a couple of weeks back. No thread he starts should be graced with an intelligent response.
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4 militants killed in Handwara, Kulgam
3 militants escape Sopore cordon
Asem Mohiuddin
Handwara, Nov 1: Four militants were killed in two separate gunfights in North and South Kashmir on Monday while three militants managed to escape from troopers’ cordon in Sopore.
SP Handwara Rafiq Ahmad Vakil told Rising Kashmir that a gunfight broke out between militants and 21 Rashtria Rifles personnel in the forest of Zachaldara, Handwara in border district of Kupwara last evening.
“The fierce exchange of fire between the two sides continued till this afternoon and in the ensuing gunfight two foreign militants of Lashkar-e-Toiba were killed,” he said adding bodies of both the militants have been recovered.
Stating that their identity is being ascertained, he said two AK 47 rifles, 90 rounds, two hand grenades, six magazines and 4-5 kgs of dry fruits were recovered from their possession.
A police spokesman said that another gunfight broke out between militants and troopers in Kulgam district.
Giving details SSP Srinagar, Syed Ashaq Hussain Bukhari said on specific information Srinagar police launched a joint operation with Kulgam police and 1-RR at Kaw Drang village in Kulgam district last evening. “During the combing operation, the militants hiding in the area opened fire on the search party. The fire was returned by the troopers, triggering an encounter. In the ensuing gunfight two militants were killed and another arrested,” he said.
He identified the slain militants as Mohammad Salim Ganai alias Faisal of Haff Shirmal Shopian and Hassan Bhai, a foreigner. “The arrested militant was identified as Azad Ahmad Bhat of Awat Shirmal Shopian. A huge cache of arms and ammunition was also recovered from the encounter site,” SSP Srinagar said.
Meanwhile, the three holed-up militants, who engaged police and army men in a gunfight at Ahab Bab Mohalla in Noorbagh area of Sopore last evening managed to give slip to the troopers.
In an initial gun fight, a militant was killed and a civilian identified as Mohammad Afzal War son of Mohammad Ramzan War of Noorbagh was injured. He has been referred to Bone and Joints Hospital, Srinagar for treatment, where doctors have termed his condition as stable.
According to police official two grenades were recovered from the slain militant, who has been identified as Irshad Ahmad of Gundbrat, Sopore.
3 militants escape Sopore cordon
Asem Mohiuddin
Handwara, Nov 1: Four militants were killed in two separate gunfights in North and South Kashmir on Monday while three militants managed to escape from troopers’ cordon in Sopore.
SP Handwara Rafiq Ahmad Vakil told Rising Kashmir that a gunfight broke out between militants and 21 Rashtria Rifles personnel in the forest of Zachaldara, Handwara in border district of Kupwara last evening.
“The fierce exchange of fire between the two sides continued till this afternoon and in the ensuing gunfight two foreign militants of Lashkar-e-Toiba were killed,” he said adding bodies of both the militants have been recovered.
Stating that their identity is being ascertained, he said two AK 47 rifles, 90 rounds, two hand grenades, six magazines and 4-5 kgs of dry fruits were recovered from their possession.
A police spokesman said that another gunfight broke out between militants and troopers in Kulgam district.
Giving details SSP Srinagar, Syed Ashaq Hussain Bukhari said on specific information Srinagar police launched a joint operation with Kulgam police and 1-RR at Kaw Drang village in Kulgam district last evening. “During the combing operation, the militants hiding in the area opened fire on the search party. The fire was returned by the troopers, triggering an encounter. In the ensuing gunfight two militants were killed and another arrested,” he said.
He identified the slain militants as Mohammad Salim Ganai alias Faisal of Haff Shirmal Shopian and Hassan Bhai, a foreigner. “The arrested militant was identified as Azad Ahmad Bhat of Awat Shirmal Shopian. A huge cache of arms and ammunition was also recovered from the encounter site,” SSP Srinagar said.
Meanwhile, the three holed-up militants, who engaged police and army men in a gunfight at Ahab Bab Mohalla in Noorbagh area of Sopore last evening managed to give slip to the troopers.
In an initial gun fight, a militant was killed and a civilian identified as Mohammad Afzal War son of Mohammad Ramzan War of Noorbagh was injured. He has been referred to Bone and Joints Hospital, Srinagar for treatment, where doctors have termed his condition as stable.
According to police official two grenades were recovered from the slain militant, who has been identified as Irshad Ahmad of Gundbrat, Sopore.
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Four militants killed in gunbattles in Kashmir
Four militants, including two from Lashker-e-Taiba (LET), were killed in separate gunbattles with security forces in Kupwara and Kulgam districts of Kashmir Valley on Monday, officials said.
The LeT militants were killed in a gunfight with a joint team of police and Rashtriya Rifles at Kaladrung in Yaripora area of Kulgam district, 85 kms from here, this afternoon, they said.
As per preliminary investigations, the slain militants were identified as Abu Huzaifa Mahi and his local accomplice Mohammad Saleem Ganai.
In another encounter, a police spokesman said two militants were killed when security forces confronted them at Bhawan forests in Zachaldara area of Handwara, 95 kms from here, in the early hours.
Their identity and affiliation could not be ascertained as the search operation in the area was on till evening, he said.
He also said that security forces recovered two AK assault rifles, six magazines, 90 rounds of ammunition and two hand grenades from the scene of the gunbattle.
Meanwhile, the militant killed in the encounter with security forces at Ahad Sahib locality of Sopore town, 55 kms from here, in Baramulla district yesterday has been identified as Irshad Ahmad Mir alias Ammar, a resident of Gundbrat village of Sopore.
Mir was affiliated with Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HuM) outfit, the officials said adding two hand grenades were recovered from the spot. A civilian was also injured injured in the crossfire.
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kashmir is experiencing an ethnic cleasening, what is happening in karachi is a political turmoil, it happens in india too, you are viewing two different things, next time you would say!!, heck two indians are also dying of hunger daily whats the difference????
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Generally, reduction in % population of the target ethinicity in the given area is indicative of the cleansing exercise you mentioned. Have you looked up the figures for 1950 vs today in Kashmir? You may have a different view to this after that.
And isnt Karachi also seeing sectarian violence, since the parties on the war path are on the opposing ends of ethinic spectrum. But that any way is off topic..
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This is the reality, the bitter truth. Open violation of human rights, killing of innocent civilians and violence is the ordinary things led by indian army in indian occupied Kashmire. We must condemn this shamefull act. There are no excuses for all this.
First of all they are Kashmiries and Muslims. Secondly indian forces are occupying Kashmire and killing innocent civilians from past 60 years and you are trying to say that's it perfectly normal?!
Karachi is a city, it's a diffrent case as there are a lot of murders and gangs war also in indian cities like Bombay etc. You can't compare 2 whole diffrent scenarios and hide behind these lame excues.
First of all they are Kashmiries and Muslims. Secondly indian forces are occupying Kashmire and killing innocent civilians from past 60 years and you are trying to say that's it perfectly normal?!
Karachi is a city, it's a diffrent case as there are a lot of murders and gangs war also in indian cities like Bombay etc. You can't compare 2 whole diffrent scenarios and hide behind these lame excues.
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Actually we have a meter which tells us who is most inoccent person in Kashmir. The moment we find them we just walk and tell them, dude you are so innocent you should be killed. You neither indulge in terrorism, nor do stone pelting, so you should be killed.
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Rediff On The NeT: An interview with Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw
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Sam Manekshaw, the first field marshal in the Indian army, was at the ringside of events when Independent India was being formed. Then a colonel, he was chosen to accompany V P Menon on his historic mission to Kashmir. This is his version of that journey and its aftermath, as recorded in an interview with Prem Shankar Jha.
At about 2.30 in the afternoon, General Sir Roy Bucher walked into my room and said, 'Eh, you, go and pick up your toothbrush. You are going to Srinagar with V P Menon. The flight will take off at about 4 o'clock'. I said, 'why me, sir?'
'Because we are worried about the military situation. V P Menon is going there to get the accession from the Maharaja and Mahajan.' I flew in with V P Menon in a Dakota. Wing Commander Dewan, who was then squadron leader Dewan, was also there. But his job did not have anything to with assessing the military situation. He was sent by the Air Force because it was the Air Force which was flying us in.'
Since I was in the Directorate of Military Operations, and was responsible for current operations all over India, West Frontier, the Punjab, and elsewhere, I knew what the situation in Kashmir was. I knew that the tribesmen had come in - initially only the tribesmen - supported by the Pakistanis.
Fortunately for us, and for Kashmir, they were busy raiding, raping all along. In Baramulla they killed Colonel D O T Dykes. Dykes and I were of the same seniority. We did our first year's attachment with the Royal Scots in Lahore, way back in 1934-5. Tom went to the Sikh regiment. I went to the Frontier Force regiment. We'd lost contact with each other. He'd become a lieutenant colonel. I'd become a full colonel.
Tom and his wife were holidaying in Baramulla when the tribesmen killed them.
The Maharaja's forces were 50 per cent Muslim and 50 per cent Dogra.
The Muslim elements had revolted and joined the Pakistani forces. This was the broad military situation. The tribesmen were believed to be about 7 to 9 kilometers from Srinagar. I was sent into get the precise military situation. The army knew that if we had to send soldiers, we would have to fly them in. Therefore, a few days before, we had made arrangements for aircraft and for soldiers to be ready.
But we couldn't fly them in until the state of Kashmir had acceded to India. From the political side, Sardar Patel and V P Menon had been dealing with Mahajan and the Maharaja, and the idea was that V.P Menon would get the Accession, I would bring back the military appreciation and report to the government. The troops were already at the airport, ready to be flown in. Air Chief Marshall Elmhurst was the air chief and he had made arrangements for the aircraft from civil and military sources.
Anyway, we were flown in. We went to Srinagar. We went to the palace. I have never seen such disorganisation in my life. The Maharaja was running about from one room to the other. I have never seen so much jewellery in my life --- pearl necklaces, ruby things, lying in one room; packing here, there, everywhere. There was a convoy of vehicles.
The Maharaja was coming out of one room, and going into another saying, 'Alright, if India doesn't help, I will go and join my troops and fight (it) out'.
I couldn't restrain myself, and said, 'That will raise their morale sir'. Eventually, I also got the military situation from everybody around us, asking what the hell was happening, and discovered that the tribesmen were about seven or nine kilometres from what was then that horrible little airfield.
V P Menon was in the meantime discussing with Mahajan and the Maharaja. Eventually the Maharaja signed the accession papers and we flew back in the Dakota late at night. There were no night facilities, and the people who were helping us to fly back, to light the airfield, were Sheikh Abdullah, Kasimsahib, Sadiqsahib, Bakshi Ghulam Mohammed, D P Dhar with pine torches, and we flew back to Delhi. I can't remember the exact time. It must have been 3 o'clock or 4 o'clock in the morning.
(On arriving at Delhi) the first thing I did was to go and report to Sir Roy Bucher. He said, 'Eh, you, go and shave and clean up. There is a cabinet meeting at 9 o'clock. I will pick you up and take you there.' So I went home, shaved, dressed, etc. and Roy Bucher picked me up, and we went to the cabinet meeting.
The cabinet meeting was presided by Mountbatten. There was Jawaharlal Nehru, there was Sardar Patel, there was Sardar Baldev Singh. There were other ministers whom I did not know and did not want to know, because I had nothing to do with them. Sardar Baldev Singh I knew because he was the minister for defence, and I knew Sardar Patel, because Patel would insist that V P Menon take me with him to the various states.
Almost every morning the Sardar would sent for V P, H M Patel and myself. While Maniben (Patel's daughter and de facto secretary) would sit cross-legged with a Parker fountain pen taking notes, Patel would say, 'V P, I want Baroda. Take him with you.' I was the bogeyman. So I got to know the Sardar very well.
At the morning meeting he handed over the (Accession) thing. Mountbatten turned around and said, ' come on Manekji (He called me Manekji instead of Manekshaw), what is the military situation?' I gave him the military situation, and told him that unless we flew in troops immediately, we would have lost Srinagar, because going by road would take days, and once the tribesmen got to the airport and Srinagar, we couldn't fly troops in. Everything was ready at the airport.
As usual Nehru talked about the United Nations, Russia, Africa, God almighty, everybody, until Sardar Patel lost his temper. He said, 'Jawaharlal, do you want Kashmir, or do you want to give it away'. He (Nehru) said,' Of course, I want Kashmir (emphasis in original). Then he (Patel) said 'Please give your orders'. And before he could say anything Sardar Patel turned to me and said, 'You have got your orders'.
I walked out, and we started flying in troops at about 11 o'clock or 12 o'clock. I think it was the Sikh regiment under Ranjit Rai that was the first lot to be flown in. And then we continued flying troops in. That is all I know about what happened. Then all the fighting took place. I became a brigadier, and became director of military operations and also if you will see the first signal to be signed ordering the cease-fire on 1 January (1949) had been signed by Colonel Manekshaw on behalf of C-in-C India, General Sir Roy Bucher. That must be lying in the Military Operations Directorate.
Nice Read
Sam Manekshaw, the first field marshal in the Indian army, was at the ringside of events when Independent India was being formed. Then a colonel, he was chosen to accompany V P Menon on his historic mission to Kashmir. This is his version of that journey and its aftermath, as recorded in an interview with Prem Shankar Jha.
At about 2.30 in the afternoon, General Sir Roy Bucher walked into my room and said, 'Eh, you, go and pick up your toothbrush. You are going to Srinagar with V P Menon. The flight will take off at about 4 o'clock'. I said, 'why me, sir?'
'Because we are worried about the military situation. V P Menon is going there to get the accession from the Maharaja and Mahajan.' I flew in with V P Menon in a Dakota. Wing Commander Dewan, who was then squadron leader Dewan, was also there. But his job did not have anything to with assessing the military situation. He was sent by the Air Force because it was the Air Force which was flying us in.'
Since I was in the Directorate of Military Operations, and was responsible for current operations all over India, West Frontier, the Punjab, and elsewhere, I knew what the situation in Kashmir was. I knew that the tribesmen had come in - initially only the tribesmen - supported by the Pakistanis.
Fortunately for us, and for Kashmir, they were busy raiding, raping all along. In Baramulla they killed Colonel D O T Dykes. Dykes and I were of the same seniority. We did our first year's attachment with the Royal Scots in Lahore, way back in 1934-5. Tom went to the Sikh regiment. I went to the Frontier Force regiment. We'd lost contact with each other. He'd become a lieutenant colonel. I'd become a full colonel.
Tom and his wife were holidaying in Baramulla when the tribesmen killed them.
The Maharaja's forces were 50 per cent Muslim and 50 per cent Dogra.
The Muslim elements had revolted and joined the Pakistani forces. This was the broad military situation. The tribesmen were believed to be about 7 to 9 kilometers from Srinagar. I was sent into get the precise military situation. The army knew that if we had to send soldiers, we would have to fly them in. Therefore, a few days before, we had made arrangements for aircraft and for soldiers to be ready.
But we couldn't fly them in until the state of Kashmir had acceded to India. From the political side, Sardar Patel and V P Menon had been dealing with Mahajan and the Maharaja, and the idea was that V.P Menon would get the Accession, I would bring back the military appreciation and report to the government. The troops were already at the airport, ready to be flown in. Air Chief Marshall Elmhurst was the air chief and he had made arrangements for the aircraft from civil and military sources.
Anyway, we were flown in. We went to Srinagar. We went to the palace. I have never seen such disorganisation in my life. The Maharaja was running about from one room to the other. I have never seen so much jewellery in my life --- pearl necklaces, ruby things, lying in one room; packing here, there, everywhere. There was a convoy of vehicles.
The Maharaja was coming out of one room, and going into another saying, 'Alright, if India doesn't help, I will go and join my troops and fight (it) out'.
I couldn't restrain myself, and said, 'That will raise their morale sir'. Eventually, I also got the military situation from everybody around us, asking what the hell was happening, and discovered that the tribesmen were about seven or nine kilometres from what was then that horrible little airfield.
V P Menon was in the meantime discussing with Mahajan and the Maharaja. Eventually the Maharaja signed the accession papers and we flew back in the Dakota late at night. There were no night facilities, and the people who were helping us to fly back, to light the airfield, were Sheikh Abdullah, Kasimsahib, Sadiqsahib, Bakshi Ghulam Mohammed, D P Dhar with pine torches, and we flew back to Delhi. I can't remember the exact time. It must have been 3 o'clock or 4 o'clock in the morning.
(On arriving at Delhi) the first thing I did was to go and report to Sir Roy Bucher. He said, 'Eh, you, go and shave and clean up. There is a cabinet meeting at 9 o'clock. I will pick you up and take you there.' So I went home, shaved, dressed, etc. and Roy Bucher picked me up, and we went to the cabinet meeting.
The cabinet meeting was presided by Mountbatten. There was Jawaharlal Nehru, there was Sardar Patel, there was Sardar Baldev Singh. There were other ministers whom I did not know and did not want to know, because I had nothing to do with them. Sardar Baldev Singh I knew because he was the minister for defence, and I knew Sardar Patel, because Patel would insist that V P Menon take me with him to the various states.
Almost every morning the Sardar would sent for V P, H M Patel and myself. While Maniben (Patel's daughter and de facto secretary) would sit cross-legged with a Parker fountain pen taking notes, Patel would say, 'V P, I want Baroda. Take him with you.' I was the bogeyman. So I got to know the Sardar very well.
At the morning meeting he handed over the (Accession) thing. Mountbatten turned around and said, ' come on Manekji (He called me Manekji instead of Manekshaw), what is the military situation?' I gave him the military situation, and told him that unless we flew in troops immediately, we would have lost Srinagar, because going by road would take days, and once the tribesmen got to the airport and Srinagar, we couldn't fly troops in. Everything was ready at the airport.
As usual Nehru talked about the United Nations, Russia, Africa, God almighty, everybody, until Sardar Patel lost his temper. He said, 'Jawaharlal, do you want Kashmir, or do you want to give it away'. He (Nehru) said,' Of course, I want Kashmir (emphasis in original). Then he (Patel) said 'Please give your orders'. And before he could say anything Sardar Patel turned to me and said, 'You have got your orders'.
I walked out, and we started flying in troops at about 11 o'clock or 12 o'clock. I think it was the Sikh regiment under Ranjit Rai that was the first lot to be flown in. And then we continued flying troops in. That is all I know about what happened. Then all the fighting took place. I became a brigadier, and became director of military operations and also if you will see the first signal to be signed ordering the cease-fire on 1 January (1949) had been signed by Colonel Manekshaw on behalf of C-in-C India, General Sir Roy Bucher. That must be lying in the Military Operations Directorate.
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