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[twoplustwoisfour]

You think the Taliban and ISI are actually doing a good job?

You DON'T think Taliban and ISI are doing a good job?

They have the US wrapped around their little fingers, getting free weapons and money without any sort of accountability. I consider that as a very good job.

 

[HAK]

People, there is no such thing as a Kashmir cause.

This BS was invented by the british and the rest of the west on purpose to make sure that india and Pakistan remain enemies.

Than they give you weapons and they give us weapons so that we can kill each other and screw our economies in the process.

yes india is growing, but, one war and both of us are screwed, again.

Now, imagin india and Pakistan without 60 years of kashmir BS.


They won, now suck it up!!!

 

[Pride]

People, there is no such thing as a Kashmir cause.

This BS was invented by the british and the rest of the west on purpose to make sure that india and Pakistan remain enemies.

Than they give you weapons and they give us weapons so that we can kill each other and screw our economies in the process.

yes india is growing, but, one war and both of us are screwed, again.

Now, imagin india and Pakistan without 60 years of kashmir BS.


They won, now suck it up!!!

These are very lazy arguments any country give when they analyze their long pending issues. West may have interest here but are we fool enough to live with their such "Bone of contention". Why we could not resolve our issue bilateraly when there were no "West" was involved?

Look at China, Except with India and Korea they could resolve their border issue with talks including their ardent anti Russia and Japan. Why can't we? Why the mess created by west in the world can't be resolved by 2 parties. There were many instances even in Israel-Palestine conflict when they were living peacefully with status quo but then either Hamas jumps up with their activity to get full Palestine liberation or Israeli army will come up in Palestine area.

Its our home, we need to resolve it and what we need to do is to keep emotion and religion specially aside to resolve this geo-political thing till then dont blame them and focus on reslving this.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Its our home, we need to resolve it and what we need to do is to keep emotion and religion specially aside to resolve this geo-political thing till then dont blame them and focus on reslving this.

I more or less agree with your post my friend
the problem is not Pakistani stand like the title suggests. (I renamed it by the way) India also is very emotional when it comes to Kashmir

the way the boundaries were drawn by the Radcliff and the way the British hurried out of the British India, led to tens of thousands of deaths of the people and a permanent animosity among the two big religions.

I agree that British has played their part. its their built -in nature, they left conflicts in every single place they have ever set their foot upon. but we as mature nations must resolve it on the basis of the will of the people and mutual benefit. we must find a middle ground and not let the extremists on both sides dictate our future.
The Kashmir cause has suffered a lot at the hands of the Afghan Jihad inspired insurgents. They used the same tactics in Kashmir which vindicated the presence of over a million Indian troops and thus gave them a free pass to punish the Kashmiri population.

What really makes me sad is on many occasions India & Pakistan almost agreed in principle in resolving Kashmir dispute but the fate had other Ideas. The change in governments on both sides stalled the efforts. There is a genuine desire to resolve it amicably that addresses the Kashmiri demands and also safeguards the concerns & sensitivities of both India and Pakistan.

There has to be a middle ground that both nations will have to take. Only a strong, sincere and committed leadership in both countries will enable this resolution. A leadership that wont be pressured by the right wing parties, intelligence agencies and other hawks that have their own interpretation about the conflict and prefer the status-quo the result is that the blood is being spilled on both sides feeding the right wing extremist sentiments.

 

[KS]

There has to be a middle ground that both nations will have to take. Only a strong, sincere and committed leadership in both countries will enable this resolution. A leadership that wont be pressured by the right wing parties, intelligence agencies and other hawks that have their own interpretation about the conflict and prefer the status-quo the result is that the blood is being spilled on both sides feeding the right wing extremist sentiments.

This is exactly the sticking point.

For Indians middle point is accepting LoC as IB, thus loosing P0K (Indian stand)

For Pakistanis there is no middle ground - the only ground is accesion of Valley (not J&K) to Pakistan ,albeit through a circuitous method of asking for the plebiscite.

So even in Middle ground,we are poles apart...God help us.!!

p.s,.: un-biased post.

 

[KS]

To the Mods : please merge the other two threads with this as this is the latest news item after the celebration.

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Jammu, Oct 26 (IANS) Several functions were held across this winter capital city of Jammu and other places in the region Tuesday as part of celebrations of the 64th accession day of Jammu and Kashmir with India.

The Indian tricolour was hoisted in almost all localities and at main crossings in the city. Men, women and children came out in strength at all the places and sang the national anthem after unfurling the tricolour. Sweets were also distributed by participants to celebrate the day.

Many people greeted one another with 'Happy Vilay Divas' or 'Happy Accession Day'.

It was on Oct 26, 1947 that the last Dogra king Maharaja Hari Singh had signed the accession of his princely state with India. The accession was ratified among others by Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah, grandfather of Chief Minister Omar Abdullah.

Sheikh Abdullah's endorsement of the accession of Jammu and Kashmir with India is recorded in his autobiography 'Aatish-e-Chinar'.

'It is a message to the world that Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India,' said Mohinder Sharma, a resident of Gandhi Nagar. Others echoed him.

Almost all political parties of Jammu have joined hands to celebrate the accession of the state with India as a rebuff to the separatists in Kashmir.

The celebrations this year are being held on a large scale, provoked by Chief Minister Omar Abdullah's statement in the assembly raising a question mark over the nature of the accession with India. He has added to the controversy by repeatedly talking of Pakistan's role in the Kashmir issue.

'It's an act of severe irresponsibility by the chief minister who is in office because of the Indian constitution and still publicly displays lack of faith in the state's accession with India. This is unacceptable,' said Sunil Sethi, president of the Jammu Bar Association.

Jammu celebrates anniversary of state's accession with India

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Your Highness,Arundati Roy..Eat it.

 

[KALKI]

^^ How did you display the Indian flag?

 

[INDIAN007]

A strong Answer to Geelani , Arundhati roy and co............

:india: :india: :india:

 

[Hawkish]

Shove your middle ground useless to Kashmirs.

Kashmiris hate Indian high-handedness (meaning: arrogance, superiority complex) and have little faith in Pakistan (meaning don't want to be another AK)

So India and Pakistan - give the gift of freedom to Kashmirs. They will be grateful for life time. BTW, this is THE middle ground approach

Don't waste your time on solutions that suits you but worthless to the people live in Kashmir.

This is exactly the sticking point.

For Indians middle point is accepting LoC as IB, thus loosing P0K (Indian stand)

For Pakistanis there is no middle ground - the only ground is accesion of Valley (not J&K) to Pakistan ,albeit through a circuitous method of asking for the plebiscite.

So even in Middle ground,we are poles apart...God help us.!!

p.s,.: un-biased post.

 

[Pride]

Shove your middle ground useless to Kashmirs.

Kashmiris hate Indian high-handedness (meaning: arrogance, superiority complex) and have little faith in Pakistan (meaning don't want to be another AK)

So India and Pakistan - give the gift of freedom to Kashmirs. They will be grateful for life time. BTW, this is THE middle ground approach

Don't waste your time on solutions that suits you but worthless to the people live in Kashmir.

Here you are delusioned about Indian Kashmiris and their opinion about India. I met many logical and many illogical kid including very old guys. For angry youth, India is Indian army and its democratically chosen people and there are very less people to people contact for outside their valley. Hence your adjectives for Indians with respect to Kashmiris are only yours.

Let me make it very clear, whethere you take Kashmir or Balochistan there are very few people involved in uprising rest are either listener or having no stance. The middle ground approach for Kashmir is status-quo acceptance, LoC as international border, free determination to chose country (India or Pak, sorry no Kashmir) to live with and for rest vanishing article 370, streamlining economic process to J&K, Providing education and job. Nothing else will be done in future whether India Pakistan fought thousands of war on the same overtly or covertly.

 

[HAK]

Shove your middle ground useless to Kashmirs.

Kashmiris hate Indian high-handedness (meaning: arrogance, superiority complex) and have little faith in Pakistan (meaning don't want to be another AK)

So India and Pakistan - give the gift of freedom to Kashmirs. They will be grateful for life time. BTW, this is THE middle ground approach

Don't waste your time on solutions that suits you but worthless to the people live in Kashmir.

Pakistans stand on kashmir is "Hold a referendem with three choices

1. Join pakistan
2. Join India
3. Form an indipendant state.


and than do what they choose

 

[Von Hölle]

Pakistans stand on kashmir is "Hold a referendem with three choices

1. Join pakistan
2. Join India
3. Form an indipendant state.


and than do what they choose

Could you provide an official Pakistani govt document..where the 3 choice is given..as far as I know UN res 48 gives only first two choices.

 

[HAK]

These are very lazy arguments any country give when they analyze their long pending issues. West may have interest here but are we fool enough to live with their such "Bone of contention". Why we could not resolve our issue bilateraly when there were no "West" was involved?

Look at China, Except with India and Korea they could resolve their border issue with talks including their ardent anti Russia and Japan. Why can't we? Why the mess created by west in the world can't be resolved by 2 parties. There were many instances even in Israel-Palestine conflict when they were living peacefully with status quo but then either Hamas jumps up with their activity to get full Palestine liberation or Israeli army will come up in Palestine area.

Its our home, we need to resolve it and what we need to do is to keep emotion and religion specially aside to resolve this geo-political thing till then dont blame them and focus on reslving this.

Do you think Kashmit Dispute is an accident??

seriously, WAKE UP

But yes i agree, NOW this is our problem and we have to solve it.

But you are the ones that are making kashmir a problem.

Hold a referendum in accordance with UN resolutions and it will be over.

If THEY CHOOSE to go with india, i dont think we will object.

But you also have to show the same attitude towards this!!

 

[HAK]

Could you provide an official Pakistani govt document..where the 3 choice is given..as far as I know UN res 48 gives only first two choices.

are you a year old...
seriously act mature. it is this pathetic attitude of yours that wont allow us to solve this problem


2, 3 what ever!!!

just give it to them...
give something



and than honorwhat they choose...

 

[Hawkish]

With you guys running your mouth on how Kashmiris love India, (ya, the pictures of covered faces throwing stones everyday on BBC are fake), Do you guys have the guts to hold a referendum? and see what they want instead of lecturing about economic development for the past 50 years.

Here you are delusioned about Indian Kashmiris and their opinion about India. I met many logical and many illogical kid including very old guys. For angry youth, India is Indian army and its democratically chosen people and there are very less people to people contact for outside their valley. Hence your adjectives for Indians with respect to Kashmiris are only yours.

Let me make it very clear, whethere you take Kashmir or Balochistan there are very few people involved in uprising rest are either listener or having no stance. The middle ground approach for Kashmir is status-quo acceptance, LoC as international border, free determination to chose country (India or Pak, sorry no Kashmir) to live with and for rest vanishing article 370, streamlining economic process to J&K, Providing education and job. Nothing else will be done in future whether India Pakistan fought thousands of war on the same overtly or covertly.